Tutte le discussioni > Discussioni di Steam > Off Topic > Dettagli della discussione
So from those that actually know in great detail about the Lost Ark incident..
In one of the discussions here on steam I was enlightened about a subject in which a game known as Lost Ark that was from Amazon would ban people through Steam due to inactivity in their game out of fear of bot accounts? What would ever make this okay and if then to what degree would one have to appeal such a ban or was it ever corrected on it's own? To me that just sounds like a PR nightmare and rightfully so. Teach me.
Messaggio originale di Brian9824:
It wasn't due to inactivity, they issued false bans due to a mistake and corrected them. Steam has made mistakes in the past as have other developers. They have all corrected them and the false bans were removed
< >
Visualizzazione di 16-30 commenti su 47
was that the early access thing that blew everyone's money on publicity stunts then released DLC before finishing the game and everyone was just like "ThIs Is FiNe!"?
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:

Well it was in that case and for all the things I sited. The game was getting burned alive and Amazon was facing further issues so they corrected it. What I am going on about are all the safe guards to protect consumers from fraudulent goods or scams. You cant sell a EA game and then just ban everyone because you felt like it. You have to have validity to it. If there is none there will be legal repercussions because you are creating damaging goods for your consumers as well in this case a form of defamation because the VAC ban shaming.

By that logic the various governemnts of the world are crime shaming people because they report that they committed crimes.

I mean do you want sexual predators to be anonymous because its "crime shaming" them because they go in a public registry when they commit their crimes? There is nothing wrong with having a flag or something to identify those who have broken the rules. Yet your acting like its a bad thing....

So how would you feel about hiring someone to watch your kids and not being able to check to see if he was a criminal or run a background check on them because any record of their crimes or past laws broken would be "crime shaming" them?


Brother you misunderstand the situation.

I am all for showcasing people that are in fact guilty however in this discussion we discovered the issue was for false ban. The ban was incorrectly asserted and for that reverted and peoples accounts were rightfuly corrected from a stained VAC ban to a cleared account without a VAC ban. I until the post that was highlighted as the answer was given I thought they wrongfully kept those innocent players that never cheated VAC banned on their account and that was not the case. But to the idea that if they had left it as such would be of great issue for me and I believe most people.
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:
Messaggio originale di brian9824:

By that logic the various governemnts of the world are crime shaming people because they report that they committed crimes.

I mean do you want sexual predators to be anonymous because its "crime shaming" them because they go in a public registry when they commit their crimes? There is nothing wrong with having a flag or something to identify those who have broken the rules. Yet your acting like its a bad thing....

So how would you feel about hiring someone to watch your kids and not being able to check to see if he was a criminal or run a background check on them because any record of their crimes or past laws broken would be "crime shaming" them?


Brother you misunderstand the situation.

I am all for showcasing people that are in fact guilty however in this discussion we discovered the issue was for false ban. The ban was incorrectly asserted and for that reverted and peoples accounts were rightfuly corrected from a stained VAC ban to a cleared account without a VAC ban. I until the post that was highlighted as the answer was given I thought they wrongfully kept those innocent players that never cheated VAC banned on their account and that was not the case. But to the idea that if they had left it as such would be of great issue for me and I believe most people.

Doesn't matter, no way to know until someone is innocent and if it was a mistake it will be expunged from their record. Exact same scenario as the legal system where if someone is wrongly convicted upon proving their innocence the false info would be removed.

Per your logic you'd never be able to ever display someone broke the rules because sometime in the future it "MIGHT" turn out to have been a mistake. The benefits of the system outweigh the very rare cases of false negatives.

Also they were never VAC banned, VAC is one of the most accurate ban systems in the world. Your getting confused between VAC bans and Game Bans which are two different things. A false VAC ban is incredibly rare and its over 99% accurate.
Ultima modifica da Brian9824; 23 ott 2023, ore 13:56
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:

Well it was in that case and for all the things I sited. The game was getting burned alive and Amazon was facing further issues so they corrected it. What I am going on about are all the safe guards to protect consumers from fraudulent goods or scams. You cant sell a EA game and then just ban everyone because you felt like it. You have to have validity to it. If there is none there will be legal repercussions because you are creating damaging goods for your consumers as well in this case a form of defamation because the VAC ban shaming.

There is no such thing as VAC ban shaming.

There is, and that shouldn't be too difficult to comprehend: "VAC ban shaming" happens when people are banned even though they weren't cheating. It's a rare thing, yes, but rare things happen.
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:


Brother you misunderstand the situation.

I am all for showcasing people that are in fact guilty however in this discussion we discovered the issue was for false ban. The ban was incorrectly asserted and for that reverted and peoples accounts were rightfuly corrected from a stained VAC ban to a cleared account without a VAC ban. I until the post that was highlighted as the answer was given I thought they wrongfully kept those innocent players that never cheated VAC banned on their account and that was not the case. But to the idea that if they had left it as such would be of great issue for me and I believe most people.

VAC is one of the most accurate ban systems in the world

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:


Brother you misunderstand the situation.

I am all for showcasing people that are in fact guilty however in this discussion we discovered the issue was for false ban. The ban was incorrectly asserted and for that reverted and peoples accounts were rightfuly corrected from a stained VAC ban to a cleared account without a VAC ban. I until the post that was highlighted as the answer was given I thought they wrongfully kept those innocent players that never cheated VAC banned on their account and that was not the case. But to the idea that if they had left it as such would be of great issue for me and I believe most people.

Doesn't matter, no way to know until someone is innocent and if it was a mistake it will be expunged from their record. Exact same scenario as the legal system where if someone is wrongly convicted upon proving their innocence the false info would be removed.

Per your logic you'd never be able to ever display someone broke the rules because sometime in the future it "MIGHT" turn out to have been a mistake. The benefits of the system outweigh the very rare cases of false negatives.

Also they were never VAC banned, VAC is one of the most accurate ban systems in the world. Your getting confused between VAC bans and Game Bans which are two different things. A false VAC ban is incredibly rare and its over 99% accurate.


The other things previous to the last I cannot agree with. There is innocent until proven guilty where I am from and I cannot stand by while innocent people are punished for crimes they have not committed. Much less do I see why all of that was necessary. None of it relevant to the Steam discussion and borderline political and legal debate.

However given the later part of your statement you are correct in that there are game bans vs VAC bans and I was indeed confused on the subtle detail that can make all the difference. However this does not change the fact that it can and has created shaming in the community and can cause irreversible harm in the eyes of traders and people in the community. VAC bans itself maybe extremely accurate I have no quarrel with them but what is not fool proof clearly by the story at hand is game bans and how broken they can be. Yes in this case it was corrected but what about the few out there that have not been? I realize it isn't a perfect world and the idea of one sin can be considered egregious at best but the story in this was on such a catastrophic scale that it made news. That is why I had such a deep curiousity to understand it. I appreciate your clarification on game ban vs VAC bans though. Truly thank you.
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:
Messaggio originale di brian9824:

VAC is one of the most accurate ban systems in the world

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/


This was recent wasn't it? I recall many writing about it in the forums and online. It was horrible but I believe they are retroactively correcting it at some point if it hasn't been corrected already. However the damage is done for some of these users despite it being common place. People who see this assume the worst instead of listening to the person. Truly a tragedy..
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:
Messaggio originale di brian9824:

VAC is one of the most accurate ban systems in the world

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/

Because AMD is actively altering the DLLs on the fly. Vac is responding exactly as it should to such behavior.
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/


This was recent wasn't it? I recall many writing about it in the forums and online. It was horrible but I believe they are retroactively correcting it at some point if it hasn't been corrected already. However the damage is done for some of these users despite it being common place. People who see this assume the worst instead of listening to the person. Truly a tragedy..

Yup, according to Valve they are unbanning these people. Must be a long list since that game is pretty popular.
Messaggio originale di Electric Cupcake:
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/

Because AMD is actively altering the DLLs on the fly. Vac is responding exactly as it should to such behavior.

He is reiterating that regardless the cause there are fails in the system that can have adverse affects on many many people in the community and should not be taken lightly. (Not that it has been). These issues can sometimes cost people great business or even trust in a otherwise already difficult to earn trust system let alone world. The counter to that was 99% of the time it doesn't. That one % is unholy though... and the affects are damaging.
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/


This was recent wasn't it? I recall many writing about it in the forums and online. It was horrible but I believe they are retroactively correcting it at some point if it hasn't been corrected already. However the damage is done for some of these users despite it being common place. People who see this assume the worst instead of listening to the person. Truly a tragedy..
on them for trying to download some "anti-lag hack"...

that's so old it's hilarious... might as well download more ram and send a nigerian prince 10 grand while you're at it.
Messaggio originale di Electric Cupcake:
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:

Is it? Then why did that happen?

https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-warns-counter-strike-2-players-use-amds-anti-lag-feature-get-banned/

Because AMD is actively altering the DLLs on the fly. Vac is responding exactly as it should to such behavior.

No, VAC should be able to detect what software is "altering the DLLs on the fly."

If that's being caused by your gpu driver, then obviously the player is not cheating...
Messaggio originale di kingjames488:
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:


This was recent wasn't it? I recall many writing about it in the forums and online. It was horrible but I believe they are retroactively correcting it at some point if it hasn't been corrected already. However the damage is done for some of these users despite it being common place. People who see this assume the worst instead of listening to the person. Truly a tragedy..
on them for trying to download some "anti-lag hack"...

that's so old it's hilarious... might as well download more ram and send a nigerian prince 10 grand while you're at it.

??

Please read the article. No one tried to download anything.
Messaggio originale di kingjames488:
Messaggio originale di Ḍ₃ₐd␢ₒyᙓᶻ꜒Ạ:


This was recent wasn't it? I recall many writing about it in the forums and online. It was horrible but I believe they are retroactively correcting it at some point if it hasn't been corrected already. However the damage is done for some of these users despite it being common place. People who see this assume the worst instead of listening to the person. Truly a tragedy..
on them for trying to download some "anti-lag hack"...

that's so old it's hilarious... might as well download more ram and send a nigerian prince 10 grand while you're at it.

I don't believe it was a hack from what I read. It was part of AMD's new software update of sorts and with the feature enabled automatically I am sure many were affected. It wasn't as though they went and downloaded a hack otherwise long ago they would have been banned for much more damning hacks.
Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:
Messaggio originale di kingjames488:
on them for trying to download some "anti-lag hack"...

that's so old it's hilarious... might as well download more ram and send a nigerian prince 10 grand while you're at it.

??

Please read the article. No one tried to download anything.

You are assuming people read...
< >
Visualizzazione di 16-30 commenti su 47
Per pagina: 1530 50

Tutte le discussioni > Discussioni di Steam > Off Topic > Dettagli della discussione
Data di pubblicazione: 23 ott 2023, ore 11:34
Messaggi: 47