Is there any bad music?

[Donald Trump]

might be a weird question, sure, but listen...

people say that your music taste is up to preference, right? which means... there cant be any bad music... someone WILL like whatever is playing.. even if its 2 rocks getting smashed together

[Mighty Alien Dwarf]

This one is definitely one of the worst songs I've ever heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAwyWkksXuo

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

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rap music is bad because it lacks the most musicianship. Its mostly always resampled generic beats with little variation. Listen to a rap song without the rapping and see what I mean, its terrible.

and if anyone cares to say rapping alone defines the genre then I got to say that also lacks musicianship, you don't need to be able to sing in key and have control over your bodies instrument, its vocal chords, rap is just blabbing on about topics such as money, drugs, women, etc over the horrible generic music which is most times not even produced by the rapper but by someone else and using samples lifted from other tracks, so that makes it even less of an original piece of music showcasing talent.

Theres a reason places like soundcloud and spotify are flooded with such low quality rap music, its even spreading into the charts and clogging it up like a disease.

That’s not the case for all rap. There are plenty of artists who use varied backing tracks and don’t talk about only money women and drugs. Some artists literally just made instrumental hip hop and are acclaimed for it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yKYgCD3m9AU&pp=ygUVZG9vbXNkYXkgaW5zdHJ1bWVudGFs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HkZ8BitJhvc&pp=ygUOYXJ1YXJpYW4gZGFuY2U%3D
How are these generic and talentless? There’s a lot of work that goes into sampling, and not just for rap. Look at Daft Punk’s Discovery album. That whole album is basically samples so heavily chopped and edited to create something entirely different and interesting

I got halfway through the first link.

ZERO variation, just the same emotionless 4 bar beat that got boring after the first 16 segments. Adding a vinyl scratch fx layer does not do a thing to change it. Its bad.

[Grumb]

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I challenge anyone who keeps saying “rap is crap” to name me five artists they’ve actually tried to listen to with some level of depth. You’re writing off an entire genre probably because you don’t like what they play on the radio

- Bob Dylan.
- Leonard Cohen.
- Woodie Guthrie.
- Johnny Cash.


Alright, I could go on for days, but you get the idea.

I think most rap is pretty lacking these days in comparison to other genres, making it a bad genre.

Off the top of my head, I already know one rapper who's said rap sounds the same. I don't think it's a new idea.

https://youtu.be/g0OdmRtuQew

I agree that a lot of what’s mainstream today is sounding pretty homogeneous and uninspired, but I wouldn’t call it a bad genre based on that. You can say the same for any genre based on what’a hitting the charts. Pop music is arguably in a worse spot. But there’s still plenty of people making quality work these days, you just have to go searching for it

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I got halfway through the first link.

ZERO variation, just the same emotionless 4 bar beat that got boring after the first 16 segments. Adding a vinyl scratch fx layer does not do a thing to change it. Its bad.

Cool lol

[Schindler's Lifts]

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Here's something to consider. If you want people to take an interest in rap (or at least not hate it so much), instead of saying "anyone who doesn't like rap should force themselves to listen to [x] no. of rappers because I said so", why no do something like "here are a few tracks that got me into rap and I think are worth a listen" and then post some tracks that you think are a good introductory point to rap.

For me personally, I would love to understand what people find appealing about rap, because what I'm hearing so far is making me agree with the "rap is crap" crowd. I'd love to hear what you think are "good" tracks that are worth our time.

Alright lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=os18i5woCgg&pp=ygUQY29tbW9uIHRoZSBsaWdodA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqr0NjQprE&pp=ygUKSmF5IHogNDo0NA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAz3rnLGthg&pp=ygUWa2FueWUgZmxhc2hpbmcgbGlnaHRzIA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQtKJbptcns&pp=ygUbbWYgZG9vbSByYXBwIHNuaXRjaCBrbmlzaGVz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMR6xoAufU0&pp=ygUSYm9tYnMgb3ZlciBiYWdoZGFk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WGinY8pKAno&pp=ygUea2lsbCBiaWxsIHRoZSByYXBwZXIgYmFja3dvb2Rz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4DhgjYvBxxk&pp=ygUNbnVqYWJlcyBzaWducw%3D%3D
A lot of what appeals to me personally is the lyricism. That’s plenty of rap that’s just “make money f b*****s” but a lot of it can be introspective or have a pretty interesting message. Other artists are great at telling a story through their lyrics or maybe they’re incredibly talented with their flow or rhyming (MF DOOM). The instrumentals are also important to me. A lot of what goes on the radio now is just loud trap drums but there’s so much more you can do with it. Sampling is an art form in and of itself. For example, DOOM took that guitar sample from some random cover of Bowie’s Space Oddity. It’s incredible and it otherwise would’ve been pretty much lost to time

First off, I want to briefly admit that I mostly just skimmed through these. It's getting late here, and I wanna quickly type this out before I head to bed.

But for the most part, I'll agree that these are decent tracks. I still don't think rap is for me personally, but I can definitely understand enjoying the flow or lyricism of these tracks, or others like it.

Rap isn't an inherently bad genre, but it DOES appear to have a lower barrier of entry compared to other music genres, which leads to a lot of ♥♥♥♥ in the mainstream.... Hence while I probably won't think all rap is bad, it still looks like good rap tracks are the exception rather than the norm.

[GunsForBucks]

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Alright lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=os18i5woCgg&pp=ygUQY29tbW9uIHRoZSBsaWdodA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqr0NjQprE&pp=ygUKSmF5IHogNDo0NA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAz3rnLGthg&pp=ygUWa2FueWUgZmxhc2hpbmcgbGlnaHRzIA%3D%3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gQtKJbptcns&pp=ygUbbWYgZG9vbSByYXBwIHNuaXRjaCBrbmlzaGVz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YMR6xoAufU0&pp=ygUSYm9tYnMgb3ZlciBiYWdoZGFk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WGinY8pKAno&pp=ygUea2lsbCBiaWxsIHRoZSByYXBwZXIgYmFja3dvb2Rz
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4DhgjYvBxxk&pp=ygUNbnVqYWJlcyBzaWducw%3D%3D
A lot of what appeals to me personally is the lyricism. That’s plenty of rap that’s just “make money f b*****s” but a lot of it can be introspective or have a pretty interesting message. Other artists are great at telling a story through their lyrics or maybe they’re incredibly talented with their flow or rhyming (MF DOOM). The instrumentals are also important to me. A lot of what goes on the radio now is just loud trap drums but there’s so much more you can do with it. Sampling is an art form in and of itself. For example, DOOM took that guitar sample from some random cover of Bowie’s Space Oddity. It’s incredible and it otherwise would’ve been pretty much lost to time

First off, I want to briefly admit that I mostly just skimmed through these. It's getting late here, and I wanna quickly type this out before I head to bed.

But for the most part, I'll agree that these are decent tracks. I still don't think rap is for me personally, but I can definitely understand enjoying the flow or lyricism of these tracks, or others like it.

Rap isn't an inherently bad genre, but it DOES appear to have a lower barrier of entry compared to other music genres, which leads to a lot of ♥♥♥♥ in the mainstream.... Hence while I probably won't think all rap is bad, it still looks like good rap tracks are the exception rather than the norm.

I would say that is true of all music genre's

[Irene ❤]

İlk olarak Yiffy the furry LGBT Cat tarafından gönderildi:

there cant be any bad music

If you're a balloon you'd probably hate pop music.

[Grumb]

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First off, I want to briefly admit that I mostly just skimmed through these. It's getting late here, and I wanna quickly type this out before I head to bed.

But for the most part, I'll agree that these are decent tracks. I still don't think rap is for me personally, but I can definitely understand enjoying the flow or lyricism of these tracks, or others like it.

Rap isn't an inherently bad genre, but it DOES appear to have a lower barrier of entry compared to other music genres, which leads to a lot of ♥♥♥♥ in the mainstream.... Hence while I probably won't think all rap is bad, it still looks like good rap tracks are the exception rather than the norm.

I respect that. Like GunsForBucks said though it could be said for most genres. A lot of it comes down to personal taste

[ʙᴜɴ.ᴇ]

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First off, I want to briefly admit that I mostly just skimmed through these. It's getting late here, and I wanna quickly type this out before I head to bed.

But for the most part, I'll agree that these are decent tracks. I still don't think rap is for me personally, but I can definitely understand enjoying the flow or lyricism of these tracks, or others like it.

Rap isn't an inherently bad genre, but it DOES appear to have a lower barrier of entry compared to other music genres, which leads to a lot of ♥♥♥♥ in the mainstream.... Hence while I probably won't think all rap is bad, it still looks like good rap tracks are the exception rather than the norm.

I respect that. Like GunsForBucks said though it could be said for most genres. A lot of it comes down to personal taste

Rap is the lowest bar of entry for sure though, it lacks the most musicianship since to be a rapper you need next to no music knowledge or talent, if you can write rhymes you can be a rapper, you don't need music theory, skill with an instrument or even know how to sing.

So rap for me is entry level, same can't be said for other genres where you need at least some music knowledge to produce it.

[GunsForBucks]

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I respect that. Like GunsForBucks said though it could be said for most genres. A lot of it comes down to personal taste

Rap is the lowest bar of entry for sure though, it lacks the most musicianship since to be a rapper you need next to no music knowledge or talent, if you can write rhymes you can be a rapper, you don't need music theory, skill with an instrument or even know how to sing.

So rap for me is entry level, same can't be said for other genres where you need at least some music knowledge to produce it.

milli vanilli

back then there was a whole slew of "stage prop" performers

[Your_White_Knight]

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But it is... "good" or "bad" is related to taste... it can't be separated because some might want what they think is "good" to not be what other's think is "bad"

Just because someone likes two rocks smashed together doesn't make it "good"...

Nor does it mean that two rocks smashing is inherently bad.

Just like you may not like the majority of rap but to claim it is inherently bad is wrong.

The whole point of the OP is that "putting aside personal taste"
But I do think any music can be bad if done badly. Even setting "taste" aside.

No the whole point of OP is "stop disliking what other people might like and stop calling it bad"

And the answer still is "no, bad is bad"

Just because some might not wanted what they like called "bad" doesn't mean it isn't...

This is just more "lets split hairs until there's nothing left" nonsense.

[Your_White_Knight]

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there cant be any bad music

If you're a balloon you'd probably hate pop music.

https://youtu.be/9CdVTCDdEwI

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Rap is the lowest bar of entry for sure though, it lacks the most musicianship since to be a rapper you need next to no music knowledge or talent, if you can write rhymes you can be a rapper, you don't need music theory, skill with an instrument or even know how to sing.

So rap for me is entry level, same can't be said for other genres where you need at least some music knowledge to produce it.

milli vanilli

back then there was a whole slew of "stage prop" performers

ah yes the good old lip sync scandal.

funny thing is every live performance I've worked at has the mic and instrument feed into a central console, processed and then sent to the output, its standard industry set up, what you hear coming out of the speakers at a live concert is not what is coming out of the input lol

lip syncing still happens but with current tech its oftentimes the singer just gets processed with on the fly pitch correction from the sound engineers in the backrooms.

nobody actually sings legitimately live.

[GunsForBucks]

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milli vanilli

back then there was a whole slew of "stage prop" performers

ah yes the good old lip sync scandal.

funny thing is every live performance I've worked at has the mic and instrument feed into a central console, processed and then sent to the output, its standard industry set up, what you hear coming out of the speakers at a live concert is not what is coming out of the input lol

lip syncing still happens but with current tech its oftentimes the singer just gets processed with on the fly pitch correction from the sound engineers in the backrooms.

nobody actually sings legitimately live.

Happy Rhodes

[tmwfte]

There's at least an entire album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q