Is it rude to move to a country and never learn the language?

[MoonC A T]

For example, let's say I moved to Germany or Japan, where the primary language is the respective country name. Is it rude if I never learn to speak German or Japanese? How long is too long to be in a country and not learn the language?

[Bad Aim]

Birds の投稿を引用：

Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

My Grandma could never learn french when she came here, it can be hard i suppose and maybe not everything is done so they can do it in proper conditions.

In Japan's case they purposefully hamstring foreign education on the language and make it more difficult to learn to discourage immigration.

Many countries do or have done similarly, france coming to mind in the mid-17th century in order to discourage their colonial peoples from emigrating to France.

One could argue that Japan's two-face approach to language education is an indication of the current power strucutre's intent to engage in colonialism, just like berating Japan over this practice is also a form of colonialist thinking.

I am not an expert in Japanese culture, education, history, or foreign policies. But my limited understanding is that English is a required language in primary schools in Japan. Is that incorrect?

[Dracoco OwO]

Birds の投稿を引用：

Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

My Grandma could never learn french when she came here, it can be hard i suppose and maybe not everything is done so they can do it in proper conditions.

In Japan's case they purposefully hamstring foreign education on the language and make it more difficult to learn to discourage immigration.

Many countries do or have done similarly, france coming to mind in the mid-17th century in order to discourage their colonial peoples from emigrating to France.

One could argue that Japan's two-face approach to language education is an indication of the current power strucutre's intent to engage in colonialism, just like berating Japan over this practice is also a form of colonialist thinking.

My Grandma isn't from a colony of France she's actually from Portugal and only her husband learned french, she was your traditionnal stay at home forever wife.

[Siluva]

Pretty much yeah.

If you move permanantly to a country it's common sense to learn its language, learn and respect its culture, its history and its people.
Even if you don't master it, locals will appreciate your efforts.
If you don't wanna become part of the country then you have nothing to do here.

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Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

My Grandma could never learn french when she came here, it can be hard i suppose and maybe not everything is done so they can do it in proper conditions.

Older people don't tend to learn new languages mostly due to age.

In high school I worked as an intern at a supermarket (no, not at the cashier) I was approached by an old lady and she asked me in swedish about a product. My swedish was terrible (still is) so I asked her to wait patiently in finnish while I went to get someone who knows the language. This one was a Finland Swede, didn't know some would live here deep in the forests of inner country but they do.

Fun fact: In the military my NCOs thought I was Finland Swede, they didn't know of my dysphasia. I felt insulted.

[Dracoco OwO]

Q-T_3.14.exe の投稿を引用：

Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

My Grandma could never learn french when she came here, it can be hard i suppose and maybe not everything is done so they can do it in proper conditions.

Older people don't tend to learn new languages mostly due to age.

In high school I worked as an intern at a supermarket (no, not at the cashier) I was approached by an old lady and she asked me in swedish about a product. My swedish was terrible (still is) so I asked her to wait patiently in finnish while I went to get someone who knows the language. This one was a Finland Swede, didn't know some would live here deep in the forests of inner country but they do.

Fun fact: In the military my NCOs thought I was Finland Swede, they didn't know of my dysphasia. I felt insulted.

I mean she went here when she was like 25 i think.

[Birds]

Cernunnos の投稿を引用：

I am not an expert in Japanese culture, education, history, or foreign policies. But my limited understanding is that English is a required language in primary schools in Japan. Is that incorrect?

Yeah, but retention is less than 30% and confidence is often closer to 10-15%. There simply aren't many opportunities for exposure to native speakers, especially given the revolving door approach to native English teachers.

Many may have had 4-6+ years of English teaching, but will pretend they don't understand you because you're different and frightening, and society has taught you that you can just avoid problems by playing dumb. Because it's easier that way.

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Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

Q-T_3.14.exe の投稿を引用：

Older people don't tend to learn new languages mostly due to age.

In high school I worked as an intern at a supermarket (no, not at the cashier) I was approached by an old lady and she asked me in swedish about a product. My swedish was terrible (still is) so I asked her to wait patiently in finnish while I went to get someone who knows the language. This one was a Finland Swede, didn't know some would live here deep in the forests of inner country but they do.

Fun fact: In the military my NCOs thought I was Finland Swede, they didn't know of my dysphasia. I felt insulted.

I mean she went here when she was like 25 i think.

I'll be real. Even I couldn't grasp french with all those silent characters you got. :/

[Birds]

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Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

I mean she went here when she was like 25 i think.

I'll be real. Even I couldn't grasp french with all those silent characters you got. :/

mid-17th century colonialism, as well as anti-intellectual controls meant to keep the common man in line. aristocracy purposefully made it difficult to spell. same with japan's mid-13th century revision to the language.

[Bad Aim]

Birds の投稿を引用：

Cernunnos の投稿を引用：

I am not an expert in Japanese culture, education, history, or foreign policies. But my limited understanding is that English is a required language in primary schools in Japan. Is that incorrect?

Yeah, but retention is less than 30% and confidence is often closer to 10-15%. There simply aren't many opportunities for exposure to native speakers, especially given the revolving door approach to native English teachers.

Many may have had 4-6+ years of English teaching, but will pretend they don't understand you because you're different and frightening, and society has taught you that you can just avoid problems by playing dumb. Because it's easier that way.

That happens everywhere, I think. Even in America I have seen people try to play dumb so they don't have to interact with someone.

[ZZZZZ]

there are tons of reasons to move to a country, there are also tons of reasons that dont include communication with locals

[Dracoco OwO]

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Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

I mean she went here when she was like 25 i think.

I'll be real. Even I couldn't grasp french with all those silent characters you got. :/

Yeah i know it's hard, you have to know when stuff is pronounced and how it is pronounced many times.

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Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

Q-T_3.14.exe の投稿を引用：

I'll be real. Even I couldn't grasp french with all those silent characters you got. :/

Yeah i know it's hard, you have to know when stuff is pronounced and how it is pronounced many times.

And feminine and masculine forms IIRC? That is a lot of stuff to remember.

[Grimmz]

i think its fine not to learn the language but when you're a permanent citizens, you should at least respect the culture and traditions. probably not a good idea to force them to accept yours.

[RRW359]

Cernunnos の投稿を引用：

It depends, I think. If your goal is to live permanently in another country that does not speak your language, even as a second language, then yes. I would say that is rude. People who do this tend to have the belief that the rest of that country should learn your language. That is rude and rather arrogant.

If, on the other hand, you move to a country where English is as prominant as their own language than no, it would say it is not rude. If I was to move to Canada, for instance, I would not bother learning French. And in certain parts of Canada, French is a primary language. But in those parts of Canada, street signs are often in English and French. (As I understand things. I could be wrong on this) Regardless of if I am correct or not, I think my point is valid.

Countries can have whatever immigration policies they like. If you aren't required to learn a specific language to immigrate then I don't think it's rude to not learn theirs but if you are required it doesn't matter if it's rude or not since you aren't getting in either way.

[Dracoco OwO]

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Dracoco OwO の投稿を引用：

Yeah i know it's hard, you have to know when stuff is pronounced and how it is pronounced many times.

And feminine and masculine forms IIRC? That is a lot of stuff to remember.

Yeah and there is usually no actual explanation or logic to it, it's just how it is.