Concern about gender segregation of public toilets is nonsense.

[Shodan 2.0]

Ah yes, the famous public toilet crime that we see on the news every day, the scary rapists who totally would have raped someone if it wasn't for some stupid symbols on doors and of course, people who totally use public toilets for parades and conspiracies instead of entering, doing their business and exiting.

Then, there's the absolutely genius argument of "privacy" in something literally called a "public toilet" which just makes so much sense. Not to mention that separate stalls with doors that can be locked somehow aren't enough, apparently. Do you arrange secret meetings and discuss world domination in those public toilets if you need that much privacy? I know this sounds crazy, but you're a human being like everyone else and the world actually doesn't revolve around you, so just mind your own business and do your thing.

As for gender segregation itself, it hasn't always been that way and don't forget that there also used to be racial segregation for public toilets. As you can imagine, people had similar nonsensical arguments in favor of racial segregation too, but not having that anymore is obviously not a problem after all. Also, not having segregated public toilets is much more efficient in terms of cost, space, construction, maintenance, queues and security. By the way, have you ever noticed that handicapped toilets have never been segregated? That's just one example of this already being a thing, as it was before segregation was even introduced and that wasn't too long ago.

Anyway, any kind of personal, political and religious complaints about this "issue" are obviously not valid concerns because that has nothing to do with facts and statistics.

[Pocahawtness]

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Messaggio originale di Ghostly👻Pocah:

You will also notice that many of the cis men who are suddenly campaigning for women's rights are the very same ones who were criticising feminism the week before. Strange, that.

Have you considered that feminism is a competition-focused system by rhetoric and does very little to address the underlying causes of women's marginalization?

It's a valid target for any right-thinking megalomaniac who wants to champion women's issues.

Well, I consider the core messages, since I think that the detail has been distorted over time. And I am sure that there are many men who valiantly support those core messages. My gripe is aimed at the ones that change sides according to their phobias. It always seemed very strange to me that the most outspoken amongst us for "toilet rights" (!) tend to be men, when really is that is's not their call.

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

People are putting way too much thought into this:


The only reason why all Bathrooms are not Neutral in the first place,
is to keep men from Spying on Women in the Bathrooms, it's about
Privacy, & it's always been about Privacy...

None of it ever had to do with which Gender you were...

It's to keep Men from causing trouble for Women...

That is the only reason...

The reason only 1 Bathroom exists in a Small Shop being Neutral
is because the Shop is too small to separate Bathrooms, & People
can't afford to hold all these so called Bathroom Choices your all
asking for... They can't afford all these Changes you want...




What your asking, is to change bathrooms based on Gender only,
& that was never the reason why there are only 2 Bathrooms at all,
it was never based on a want or a need, or a feeling, or whatever
you call it Today... It was always based on the idea that some People
just didn't want other People causing trouble for them...

That is why, & it's stupid to change it...

Even now Today, there are People trying to portray that
they are Transgender, just to get into the Oposite Bathroom
so they can cause trouble for the Oposite Gender, & that
shouldn't be allowed, but the whole ideology surrounding
Transgender use in Public Bathrooms permits them to do so...

& it's already causing trouble where there never needed
to be trouble before, & the whole Concept is just stupid...



If it was me, & I wasn't comfortable using the restroom at
the Public Place, all cause I had to share it with People
who want to use them...

If it was me? I'd go out back, & go on the building it's self,
or I wouldn't go at all, & just wait till I got home, & hope
I could make it home...

I would rather leave over a Bathroom issue, just get up,
& walk out, then to have to share a Bathroom with someone
I wasn't comfortable staring at me, while I go...


Public Bathrooms were never about Phobias,
they were always about handling Negative Stress & Being Under Pressure...

Hell, I might even go right on the floor in the bathroom, to make it
uncomfortable for the People going to use them, just simply to
cause discomfort in the People that are doing the same to me...

[Birds]

Messaggio originale di Ghostly👻Pocah:

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Have you considered that feminism is a competition-focused system by rhetoric and does very little to address the underlying causes of women's marginalization?

It's a valid target for any right-thinking megalomaniac who wants to champion women's issues.

Well, I consider the core messages, since I think that the detail has been distorted over time. And I am sure that there are many men who valiantly support those core messages. My gripe is aimed at the ones that change sides according to their phobias. It always seemed very strange to me that the most outspoken amongst us for "toilet rights" (!) tend to be men, when really is that is's not their call.

Sounds like you're constructing a false hierarchy to demonstrate that all political alignments one could possibly genuflect regarding are similarly false hierarchies completely divorced from their core issues. Leaving only empty messaging and conflicts of interest.

[Entity]

Messaggio originale di Ghostly👻Pocah:

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Have you considered that feminism is a competition-focused system by rhetoric and does very little to address the underlying causes of women's marginalization?

It's a valid target for any right-thinking megalomaniac who wants to champion women's issues.

Well, I consider the core messages, since I think that the detail has been distorted over time. And I am sure that there are many men who valiantly support those core messages. My gripe is aimed at the ones that change sides according to their phobias. It always seemed very strange to me that the most outspoken amongst us for "toilet rights" (!) tend to be men, when really is that is's not their call.

You make zero distinction in what you mean. Astro-turfed feminism or grassroots? I'm going to guess it's the former.

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Messaggio originale di Ghostly👻Pocah:

You will also notice that many of the cis men who are suddenly campaigning for women's rights are the very same ones who were criticising feminism the week before. Strange, that.

Have you considered that feminism is a competition-focused system by rhetoric and does very little to address the underlying causes of women's marginalization?

It's a valid target for any right-thinking megalomaniac who wants to champion women's issues.

what

Messaggio originale di Cat Staccs:

Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:

Many Argentinian women supported the law. I wouldn't be able to name them, though, because they are nobodies like you and me, you know...

But, let me ask you something, why nothing changed in regards to sexual harassment in women's bathrooms there?

i really don't care how many women are supportive of this, lmao & nothing changed probably because deranged men will always find ways to bother women and destroy their lives?

correct
it's almost like letting trans women into women's bathrooms won't change how much cis men harass women

Messaggio originale di ShadowShifterMarlith:

People are putting way too much thought into this:


The only reason why all Bathrooms are not Neutral in the first place,
is to keep men from Spying on Women in the Bathrooms, it's about
Privacy, & it's always been about Privacy...

None of it ever had to do with which Gender you were...

It's to keep Men from causing trouble for Women...

That is the only reason...

The reason only 1 Bathroom exists in a Small Shop being Neutral
is because the Shop is too small to separate Bathrooms, & People
can't afford to hold all these so called Bathroom Choices your all
asking for... They can't afford all these Changes you want...




What your asking, is to change bathrooms based on Gender only,
& that was never the reason why there are only 2 Bathrooms at all,
it was never based on a want or a need, or a feeling, or whatever
you call it Today... It was always based on the idea that some People
just didn't want other People causing trouble for them...

That is why, & it's stupid to change it...

Even now Today, there are People trying to portray that
they are Transgender, just to get into the Oposite Bathroom
so they can cause trouble for the Oposite Gender, & that
shouldn't be allowed, but the whole ideology surrounding
Transgender use in Public Bathrooms permits them to do so...

& it's already causing trouble where there never needed
to be trouble before, & the whole Concept is just stupid...



If it was me, & I wasn't comfortable using the restroom at
the Public Place, all cause I had to share it with People
who want to use them...

If it was me? I'd go out back, & go on the building it's self,
or I wouldn't go at all, & just wait till I got home, & hope
I could make it home...

I would rather leave over a Bathroom issue, just get up,
& walk out, then to have to share a Bathroom with someone
I wasn't comfortable staring at me, while I go...


Public Bathrooms were never about Phobias,
they were always about handling Negative Stress & Being Under Pressure...

if that's the case, then if a country implemented self-id laws, it would be logical to see an increase in sexual harassment in women's bathrooms there, right?

[Birds]

Messaggio originale di Entity:

Messaggio originale di Ghostly👻Pocah:

Well, I consider the core messages, since I think that the detail has been distorted over time. And I am sure that there are many men who valiantly support those core messages. My gripe is aimed at the ones that change sides according to their phobias. It always seemed very strange to me that the most outspoken amongst us for "toilet rights" (!) tend to be men, when really is that is's not their call.

You make zero distinction in what you mean. Astro-turfed feminism or grassroots? I'm going to guess it's the former.

Grassroots preps the soil for turfing.

[Ganger]

All I want is men to stay in the male bathroom and women to stay in the female bathrooms. I don't care if you believe your a women, a man, a furry et, if your born a man, you stay in the male bathrooms period.

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Ganger:

All I want is men to stay in the male bathroom and women to stay in the female bathrooms. I don't care if you believe your a women, a man, a furry et, if your born a man, you stay in the male bathrooms period.

nobody's advocating for men to go to women's bathrooms

[GunsForBucks]

Messaggio originale di Ganger:

All I want is men to stay in the male bathroom and women to stay in the female bathrooms. I don't care if you believe your a women, a man, a furry et, if your born a man, you stay in the male bathrooms period.

Well IDK

I would find it strange for someone in a dress and make up to walk into the mens room.

Certainly make me do a double take and check the door anyway ha ha

[Birds]

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

Messaggio originale di Ganger:

All I want is men to stay in the male bathroom and women to stay in the female bathrooms. I don't care if you believe your a women, a man, a furry et, if your born a man, you stay in the male bathrooms period.

nobody's advocating for men to go to women's bathrooms

I'm advocating for gender-neutral bathrooms, which many will construe as the same thing just like they construe trans as the same thing.

[Pierce Dalton]

Messaggio originale di Cat Staccs:

Messaggio originale di Pierce Dalton:

Many Argentinian women supported the law. I wouldn't be able to name them, though, because they are nobodies like you and me, you know...

But, let me ask you something, why nothing changed in regards to sexual harassment in women's bathrooms there?

i really don't care how many women are supportive of this, lmao & nothing changed probably because deranged men will always find ways to bother women and destroy their lives?

You don't have to care.

So nothing changed despite transwomen being allowed to use the women's bathroom?

Good, thanks for acknowledging that.

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

nobody's advocating for men to go to women's bathrooms

I'm advocating for gender-neutral bathrooms, which many will construe as the same thing just like they construe trans as the same thing.

gender-neutral bathrooms aren't the same as women's bathrooms

that being said, tbh i think ideally we would have gn bathrooms as an option, rather than either gendered or gender-neutral ones

[Birds]

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

Messaggio originale di Birds:

I'm advocating for gender-neutral bathrooms, which many will construe as the same thing just like they construe trans as the same thing.

gender-neutral bathrooms aren't the same as women's bathrooms

that being said, tbh i think ideally we would have gn bathrooms as an option, rather than either gendered or gender-neutral ones

That increases the bathroom budget by 50% across the board, rather than reducing it by 50%. Means we have to have three bathrooms now instead of two.

From a socioeconomic standpoint broad adoption of gn bathrooms is more ideal, and if people miss couches and chatting before, after, and during pooping, we can implement lounge-based bathrooms.

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Messaggio originale di Not Big Surprise:

gender-neutral bathrooms aren't the same as women's bathrooms

that being said, tbh i think ideally we would have gn bathrooms as an option, rather than either gendered or gender-neutral ones

That increases the bathroom budget by 50% across the board, rather than reducing it by 50%. Means we have to have three bathrooms now instead of two.

it's worth it methinks

[Not Big Surprise]

Messaggio originale di Birds:

if people miss couches and chatting before, after, and during pooping, we can implement lounge-based bathrooms.

no seriously what the ♥♥♥♥ are you talking about