Concern about gender segregation of public toilets is nonsense.

[Shodan 2.0]

Ah yes, the famous public toilet crime that we see on the news every day, the scary rapists who totally would have raped someone if it wasn't for some stupid symbols on doors and of course, people who totally use public toilets for parades and conspiracies instead of entering, doing their business and exiting.

Then, there's the absolutely genius argument of "privacy" in something literally called a "public toilet" which just makes so much sense. Not to mention that separate stalls with doors that can be locked somehow aren't enough, apparently. Do you arrange secret meetings and discuss world domination in those public toilets if you need that much privacy? I know this sounds crazy, but you're a human being like everyone else and the world actually doesn't revolve around you, so just mind your own business and do your thing.

As for gender segregation itself, it hasn't always been that way and don't forget that there also used to be racial segregation for public toilets. As you can imagine, people had similar nonsensical arguments in favor of racial segregation too, but not having that anymore is obviously not a problem after all. Also, not having segregated public toilets is much more efficient in terms of cost, space, construction, maintenance, queues and security. By the way, have you ever noticed that handicapped toilets have never been segregated? That's just one example of this already being a thing, as it was before segregation was even introduced and that wasn't too long ago.

Anyway, any kind of personal, political and religious complaints about this "issue" are obviously not valid concerns because that has nothing to do with facts and statistics.

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

引用自 Shepherd：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

Why?

So I didn't have to build a 3rd bathroom.

Why not just put a Sign outside the Bathroom that says:

There is no money for a 3rd Bathroom, so Bathrooms won't be Changed,
& won't reflect on New Species of Human Beings, so Transgeners will
have to seek Bathrooms elsewhere...

I'm kidding, of course...

[Not Big Surprise]

引用自 Your_White_Knight：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

People can argue all they want, but they can't change the fact that some countries (and some American states) already allow transwomen to use the women's bathroom and that did not cause a pandemic of sexual harassment in bathrooms.

Fearmongering at its finest.

Wrong again...

Not "fearmongering" and not true... actually the opposite is happening thankfully

https://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/government-bans-gender-neutral-toilets-in-all-new-public-buildings

Again... emotions and bias aside the truth is known if one goes and actually looks for it.

nowhere in the article does it prove that trans women being allowed into women's toilets leads to a significant increase in sexual harassment in said bathrooms

引用自 =(^ ^)=：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

alright
how about all the other countries with self-id laws?

I live in Europe. I don't need a country that tells me how "freedom" works, sells weapons to kids and forbids kinder eggs because they are dangerous, and now pretends that a biological male just because he identifies as a female is same as a biological female. No thanks.

okay

how about all the other countries with self-id laws? can they be used to assess whether or not they lead to increased risk for cis women?

[ShadowShifterMarlith]

引用自 Azza ☠：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

History repeats itself.

Yep, it's the approx 80 years history cycle with 20-22 years periods, known as the Strauss–Howe generational theory.

Being 2023, we are currently on the crisis cycle of repeating history. Humans are stupid, illogical, wasting time on issues they create themselves and doomed to repeat the very same old mistakes while experiencing a 'devolution'.

I know, these People are pathetic, & like they don't know how to learn from actual
History, & the problems of the Past? They litterally just spin History in Circles...

& it is the People who actually understand History who have to deal with the Stupidity
of it all, because they are the one's who will get screwed over the most, but in the end
they are the one's who are right... You just watch? History will repeat it's self all over
again, just simply, because Pathetic People don't ever learn...

And we will go through all these Problems all over again, it's just a matter of
when, & how long it'll take for History to say, what the Fk were they thinking...


Joe Biden, is pretty old by now, & his way of thinking is like his brain
is stuck in World War 2, & his mindset is also stuck in that period of time,
& he doesn't realize how much better things have gotten since World War 2,
because his brain can't comprehend anything beyond World War 2...

That is why?

-- There is an Assault on Jewish People
-- There is Biological Warfare
-- There are Nazi People Parading
-- There is War with Arabs
-- There is War with Russia
-- There is a fight to save Jewish People
-- There is a Change in Money
-- There is Gender Problems around the World
-- There is Mass Protests Around the World
-- There is Political Correctness going on around the World

America was just about to get rid of War & Find Peace in the World
in 2020 some moron got into Office in 2021, & decided to send
everything backwards, & bring us all back to a War state in the
World, & say we need another World War...

I mean the list goes on... & Joe Biden is a fk 'in dumb arzs...

[Majestic Turkey]

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

引用自 Majestic Turkey：

Trevor project continues to show high rates even after all this time and when its been down right encouraged for the longest time.

doesn't the trevor project show that such rates are considerably lower for those who are offered support?

The actual correlation is likely this, pedophiles target vulnerable children, draw the rest of that conclusion.

that's not even true, or a correlation
like, that doesn't even fall into a correlation, that's a statement

It is true and you know it.

We are at celebration not tolerance, there is no more greater level of "support". Its the love bombing of cult initiation, and still you see the comorbidities expected from an dysfunctional culture and lifestyle.

[Not Big Surprise]

引用自 Majestic Turkey：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

doesn't the trevor project show that such rates are considerably lower for those who are offered support?


that's not even true, or a correlation
like, that doesn't even fall into a correlation, that's a statement

It is true and you know it.

We are at celebration not tolerance, there is no more greater level of "support". Its the love bombing of cult initiation, and still you see the comorbidities expected from an dysfunctional culture and lifestyle.

gee, i wonder why a group of people that's been systematically discriminated against for decades, with rhetoric still being used against said group, would still be at higher risk of mental health issues, in spite of being in an overall supportive environment


Honestly, ♥♥♥♥ off.
You perpetuate the very causes why so many queer people —especially queer youth— suffer so much. And as if that wasn't enough, to add insult to injury, you have the audacity to take these issues, and pretend that somehow we are the issue.

Being queer isn't a culture, it's not a lifestyle. It's a part of ourselves. When you try to "get rid of" it, "cure" it, you're imposing your will and desires over our identities. And, as evidenced by multiple studies proving conversion therapy is harmful show, that does not tend to end well.

[Yew Nough]

I wish every bathroom everywhere was a single-person bathroom..or at least have stalls that are walled off in a way that no one can see or hear you. The ones that have gaps on all sides (door included) should be illegal.

Also, there's no reason anyone should be sitting/standing a foot away from an absolute stranger while doing something that leaves you vulnerable.

This is probably 1000x worse if you're a female in this position sharing a restroom with what is ultimately a dude.

The general solution to public bathrooms makes sense economically, but has a long way to go in terms of privacy, safety, and cleanliness.

[Γαῖα]

Imagine a transparent plastic toilet where your totally on view. How many people do we think would use it ?

This highlights the primary theme in peoples thoughts when using a public toilet even as they are currently fashioned. Hell even men turn their back on other men they know when out in the bush.
Until this facet naturally changes in the mind of people when talking about how we wish strangers to perceive us, male and female toilets need to exist and they have to be such that people using them feel relatively comfortable in doing so.

As awkward as trans people may feel, the out and out biological male and female sex are the majority and will remain the majority forever. So it is they who set the tone and that im sorry to say minorities are just going to need to accept and adapt in democratic fashion.

[GunsForBucks]

引用自 Γαῖα：

Imagine a transparent plastic toilet where your totally on view. How many people do we think would use it ?

This highlights the primary theme in peoples thoughts when using a public toilet even as they are currently fashioned. Hell even men turn their back on other men they know when out in the bush.
Until this facet naturally changes in the mind of people when talking about how we wish strangers to perceive us, male and female toilets need to exist and they have to be such that people using them feel relatively comfortable in doing so.

As awkward as trans people may feel, the out and out biological male and female sex are the majority and will remain the majority forever. So it is they who set the tone and that im sorry to say minorities are just going to need to accept and adapt in democratic fashion.

That isn't how democracy works.

True democracy seeks to avoid forcing anything on people. Personal freedom is always the first consideration.


Frankly it is odd they make two types instead of just making single rooms as that would be best for all.

[Γαῖα]

引用自 GunsForBucks：

引用自 Γαῖα：

Imagine a transparent plastic toilet where your totally on view. How many people do we think would use it ?

This highlights the primary theme in peoples thoughts when using a public toilet even as they are currently fashioned. Hell even men turn their back on other men they know when out in the bush.
Until this facet naturally changes in the mind of people when talking about how we wish strangers to perceive us, male and female toilets need to exist and they have to be such that people using them feel relatively comfortable in doing so.

As awkward as trans people may feel, the out and out biological male and female sex are the majority and will remain the majority forever. So it is they who set the tone and that im sorry to say minorities are just going to need to accept and adapt in democratic fashion.

That isn't how democracy works.

True democracy seeks to avoid forcing anything on people. Personal freedom is always the first consideration.

Rubbish.
Its rule by majority as aint no one gonna always be happy or free.

[GunsForBucks]

引用自 Γαῖα：

引用自 GunsForBucks：

That isn't how democracy works.

True democracy seeks to avoid forcing anything on people. Personal freedom is always the first consideration.

Rubbish.
Its rule by majority as aint no one gonna always be happy or free.

Not in America

People should not make rules for things if they are not needed.
Personal freedom should be king.

The system is in the hands of fascists right now who have made it illegal to disagree with the government.. but that isn't what democracy is, that is fascism.

Corporate control has twisted the current democracy in America into something it shouldn't be

[Not Big Surprise]

引用自 Γαῖα：

Imagine a transparent plastic toilet where your totally on view. How many people do we think would use it ?

This highlights the primary theme in peoples thoughts when using a public toilet even as they are currently fashioned. Hell even men turn their back on other men they know when out in the bush.
Until this facet naturally changes in the mind of people when talking about how we wish strangers to perceive us, male and female toilets need to exist and they have to be such that people using them feel relatively comfortable in doing so.

As awkward as trans people may feel, the out and out biological male and female sex are the majority and will remain the majority forever. So it is they who set the tone and that im sorry to say minorities are just going to need to accept and adapt in democratic fashion.

gee, it's almost like the whole purpose of a stall is to be covered and have privacy while you do your needs or something

[Shodan 2.0]

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

引用自 Γαῖα：

Imagine a transparent plastic toilet where your totally on view. How many people do we think would use it ?

This highlights the primary theme in peoples thoughts when using a public toilet even as they are currently fashioned. Hell even men turn their back on other men they know when out in the bush.
Until this facet naturally changes in the mind of people when talking about how we wish strangers to perceive us, male and female toilets need to exist and they have to be such that people using them feel relatively comfortable in doing so.

As awkward as trans people may feel, the out and out biological male and female sex are the majority and will remain the majority forever. So it is they who set the tone and that im sorry to say minorities are just going to need to accept and adapt in democratic fashion.

gee, it's almost like the whole purpose of a stall is to be covered and have privacy while you do your needs or something

I know right, but no, somehow that's not good enough for privacy, in something called a "public toilet", by the way. I asked how isn't it enough so many times (and how is it even any different from what we have now since you still only share the corridor, but not the actual stalls) ever since I made the post, even in the original post, but still nothing. Go figure.

An individual stall with a door that can be locked wouldn't be good enough, even though it's literally what we already have, but when it comes to changing rooms in clothing shops in malls not only not having gender segregation, but only curtains instead of doors, let alone locks, that's perfectly fine and not a single incident ever happens. Yet, this would somehow be a massive problem. Again, go figure.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 Majestic Turkey：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

doesn't the trevor project show that such rates are considerably lower for those who are offered support?


that's not even true, or a correlation
like, that doesn't even fall into a correlation, that's a statement

It is true and you know it.

We are at celebration not tolerance, there is no more greater level of "support". Its the love bombing of cult initiation, and still you see the comorbidities expected from an dysfunctional culture and lifestyle.

You mean the comorbidities caused by the discrimination they've always faced from a bigoted society?

[Γαῖα]

引用自 Shodan 2.0：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

gee, it's almost like the whole purpose of a stall is to be covered and have privacy while you do your needs or something

I know right, but no, somehow that's not good enough for privacy, in something called a "public toilet", by the way. I asked how isn't it enough so many times (and how is it even any different from what we have now since you still only share the corridor, but not the actual stalls) ever since I made the post, even in the original post, but still nothing. Go figure.

An individual stall with a door that can be locked wouldn't be good enough, even though it's literally what we already have, but when it comes to changing rooms in clothing shops in malls not only not having gender segregation, but only curtains instead of doors, let alone locks, that's perfectly fine and not a single incident ever happens. Yet, this would somehow be a massive problem. Again, go figure.

Nudity is but a simplistic view and disregards a persons comfort zone regarding defecating, passing fluid and wind in the presence of strangers who despite on the other side of the door can hear it all. People are already concerned with what their own sex may think so it takes no stretch of imagination to conjure a thought of how a woman may feel with a toilet that has men present that may well be work colleagues, classmates or even someone the person may have feelings for.
Toilets are looked upon as sanctum.

[Hammer Of Evil]

wow the great toilet debate has reached page nine.

truly inspiring

i'll contribute by saying this about toilets.

do not put anything down the toilet that is not body related waste or you will enjoy a sewage adventure.

toilet paper dissolves and can be pumped by lift station = good
wet wipe, feminine product, and small trash like objects = bad, will wreck the lift station pump and make your waste water bill go higher and higher.

best wishes in having a clean sewer system guys.