Why isn't Turkish the official language of the EU like Greek is?

[Spiderman]

I honestly don't understand why Turkish isn't listed as an EU lanuage like Greek. I mean Greek is widely spoken in countries like Italy, Turkey and even Greece (obviously) while Turkish is spoken as a minority in Germany, Turkey (of course) and Greek as a minority so why isn't Turkish one of them? Good for the greeks but its still a wonder why Turkish isn't an EU language

[Hesti]

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European languages are primarily derived from Latin & I can only assume that the EU is showing bias & protectionism to their own self serving heritage. As the Turkish language has Proto-Turkic roots that originate from Central Asia, it does not share the same or similar development from Latin.

Old Turkish Runes are basically the same as Runes from Germanic tribes. Just inverse.
There have been recently studies around it. I am sure the origin of both languages does come from central asia. You also have to acknowledge that Turkey was part of the east roman empire and they were definitely influenced by Latin the same was as the rest of Europe. They also use the Latin Alphabet and not the Greek one, (Cyrillic) which means they are more influenced by the west Roman empire than the east one. It is a strange country but since they are not part of the EU their language is not an official language. If they get rid of their little Dictator they can reform, and join us, and then it will be an official language too. Problem ---> Solution.

Funny thing is, Turkish was actually previously written in the Arabic alphabet until Atatürk. Atatürk wanted to remove the Arab influence from Turkey and create a more westernized and culturally distinct and proud Turkey, and also to greatly increase the literacy rate of the average Turkish people.

It's definitely not out of the realm of probability I think if they fix their problems as you said.

[Professor]

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European languages are primarily derived from Latin & I can only assume that the EU is showing bias & protectionism to their own self serving heritage. As the Turkish language has Proto-Turkic roots that originate from Central Asia, it does not share the same or similar development from Latin.

No?

There are 24 official languages of the EU and majority of them are not even Latin descendants. In fact, some of them aren't even Indo-European, or in other words are actually completely unrelated to any other European language.

Non Latin EU languages: Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, arguably English (although it has quite a lot of Latin/French loanwords), German, Greek, Irish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish.

There are way more Slavic languages in the EU than Latin languages...

And here are the non Latin, non Indo-European languages: Estonian, Finnish, (both are Uralic languages), and Maltese (a Semitic language).

The language's origin or relation doesn't really matter, only if it belongs to a member of the EU.

Yes perhaps you are right, but I dont think it is very clear how much Latin influenced the majority of European languages. As there are many Latin borrowings in English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian Romanian, Catalan, Romansh, Albanian, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish etc

With 27 nations in the EU more than half have Latin borrowings &/or descendancies

[Hesti]

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No?

There are 24 official languages of the EU and majority of them are not even Latin descendants. In fact, some of them aren't even Indo-European, or in other words are actually completely unrelated to any other European language.

Non Latin EU languages: Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, arguably English (although it has quite a lot of Latin/French loanwords), German, Greek, Irish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Slovak, Slovenian, Swedish.

There are way more Slavic languages in the EU than Latin languages...

And here are the non Latin, non Indo-European languages: Estonian, Finnish, (both are Uralic languages), and Maltese (a Semitic language).

The language's origin or relation doesn't really matter, only if it belongs to a member of the EU.

Yes perhaps you are right, but I dont think it is very clear how much Latin influenced the majority of European languages. There are also many Latin borrowings in English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian Romanian, Catalan, Romansh, Albanian, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish

French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and Catalan are all languages which evolved from Latin so it's only natural for them to have influence and the same root words as each other and as Latin.

I am Czech but I also speak Spanish, and I can say that even though other languages outside of the Latin/Romance group have taken loanwords, doesn't mean they've been influenced so much that you can understand them just on that alone. Me knowing Spanish really gives me no guesses on what a Dutch or Norwegian person is saying except for the odd loanword or two.

And even if it's the case, there are still more Slavic languages than Latin languages. As I said, I honestly don't think the EU cares about what language family a language is from. The only requirement is to be a member of the EU.

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Yes perhaps you are right, but I dont think it is very clear how much Latin influenced the majority of European languages. There are also many Latin borrowings in English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian Romanian, Catalan, Romansh, Albanian, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish

French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and Catalan are all languages which evolved from Latin so it's only natural for them to have influence and the same root words as each other and as Latin.

I am Czech but I also speak Spanish, and I can say that even though other languages outside of the Latin/Romance group have taken loanwords, doesn't mean they've been influenced so much that you can understand them just on that alone. Me knowing Spanish really gives me no guesses on what a Dutch or Norwegian person is saying except for the odd loanword or two.

And even if it's the case, there are still more Slavic languages than Latin languages. As I said, I honestly don't think the EU cares about what language family a language is from. The only requirement is to be a member of the EU.

Yes exactly, there are basically Slavic, Germanic, Ibero-Italian languages and some "weirdos" like Basque,Finnish,Hungarian spread in between in Europe in general, and that lead to many languages of mixed origins between those. I think I forgot Greek, not sure how to categorise it, but Greek has also spread inside of latin itself too, since both countries did colonise each other.

[Professor]

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Yes perhaps you are right, but I dont think it is very clear how much Latin influenced the majority of European languages. There are also many Latin borrowings in English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian Romanian, Catalan, Romansh, Albanian, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish

French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and Catalan are all languages which evolved from Latin so it's only natural for them to have influence and the same root words as each other and as Latin.

I am Czech but I also speak Spanish, and I can say that even though other languages outside of the Latin/Romance group have taken loanwords, doesn't mean they've been influenced so much that you can understand them just on that alone. Me knowing Spanish really gives me no guesses on what a Dutch or Norwegian person is saying except for the odd loanword or two.

And even if it's the case, there are still more Slavic languages than Latin languages. As I said, I honestly don't think the EU cares about what language family a language is from. The only requirement is to be a member of the EU.

Latin is closely related to other Proto Indo European Languages & the Slavic languages form a group of languages spoken by nearly 400 million people in Europe and Northern Asia. These languages developed from the Proto-Slavic language, which itself stems from Proto-Indo-European.

I agree that they probably dont care about the origins & perhaps what I am not considering is that Turkey is not a Full member of the EU.

[Hesti]

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French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and Catalan are all languages which evolved from Latin so it's only natural for them to have influence and the same root words as each other and as Latin.

I am Czech but I also speak Spanish, and I can say that even though other languages outside of the Latin/Romance group have taken loanwords, doesn't mean they've been influenced so much that you can understand them just on that alone. Me knowing Spanish really gives me no guesses on what a Dutch or Norwegian person is saying except for the odd loanword or two.

And even if it's the case, there are still more Slavic languages than Latin languages. As I said, I honestly don't think the EU cares about what language family a language is from. The only requirement is to be a member of the EU.

Latin is closely related to other Proto Indo European Languages & the Slavic languages form a group of languages spoken by nearly 400 million people in Europe and Northern Asia. These languages developed from the Proto-Slavic language, which itself stems from Proto-Indo-European.

I agree that they probably dont care about the origins & perhaps what I am not considering is that Turkey is not a Full member of the EU.

As I mentioned three languages are actually not related to Proto-Indo-European at all (Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian, which are from the Uralic language family, which is thought to originate from around the Ural mountains in the "border" between European and Asian Russia). There's even a Semitic language (Maltese) which is the same language family as Arabic and Hebrew.

So in my opinion that proves that even "Non-European" languages can be official languages of the EU. Turkish definitely isn't out of the question based on this. But of course first it would require Turkey to become an EU member and that is not likely anytime soon in my opinion. Turkey has a lot of internal issues to resolve before the EU would ever consider them.

There are still countries here on the continent that are still waiting to join the EU as well anyway. Mainly in the Balkans.

[Professor]

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Latin is closely related to other Proto Indo European Languages & the Slavic languages form a group of languages spoken by nearly 400 million people in Europe and Northern Asia. These languages developed from the Proto-Slavic language, which itself stems from Proto-Indo-European.

I agree that they probably dont care about the origins & perhaps what I am not considering is that Turkey is not a Full member of the EU.

As I mentioned three languages are actually not related to Proto-Indo-European at all (Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian, which are from the Uralic language family, which is thought to originate from around the Ural mountains in the "border" between European and Asian Russia). There's even a Semitic language (Maltese) which is the same language family as Arabic and Hebrew.

So in my opinion that proves that even "Non-European" languages can be official languages of the EU. Turkish definitely isn't out of the question based on this. But of course first it would require Turkey to become an EU member and that is not likely anytime soon in my opinion. Turkey has a lot of internal issues to resolve before the EU would ever consider them.

There are still countries here on the continent that are still waiting to join the EU as well anyway. Mainly in the Balkans.

Yes you are quite right, as you point out that a small few are not derived from Latin. I also agree with you that Turkey as a non member of the EU probably has no official basis to be named as a language of Europe

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As I mentioned three languages are actually not related to Proto-Indo-European at all (Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian, which are from the Uralic language family, which is thought to originate from around the Ural mountains in the "border" between European and Asian Russia). There's even a Semitic language (Maltese) which is the same language family as Arabic and Hebrew.

So in my opinion that proves that even "Non-European" languages can be official languages of the EU. Turkish definitely isn't out of the question based on this. But of course first it would require Turkey to become an EU member and that is not likely anytime soon in my opinion. Turkey has a lot of internal issues to resolve before the EU would ever consider them.

There are still countries here on the continent that are still waiting to join the EU as well anyway. Mainly in the Balkans.

Yes you are quite right, as you point out that only a small few are not derived from Latin. I also agree with you that Turkey as a non member of the EU probably has no official basis to be named as a language of Europe

No it is a language of Europe, just not of EU.

[Professor]

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Yes you are quite right, as you point out that only a small few are not derived from Latin. I also agree with you that Turkey as a non member of the EU probably has no official basis to be named as a language of Europe

No it is a language of Europe, just not of EU.

Sorry I can see the problem as my statement should have been clearer " Turkey as a non member of the EU probably has no official basis to be named as a language of the Europe Union"

Yes I agree but the EU is a block of nations that Turkey is not a member of yet. As for the languages I agree that Turkish is a European Language but not of the Union. Borders & memberships are the problem here, not languages.