Abortion is a woman's right and must not be taken away from her

[Bobbyk]

Abortion is a woman's right and must not be taken away from her, she has a right to decide about her body. Abortion up to 12 weeks should be legal.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af MinionJoe:

Oprindeligt skrevet af TWPanda77:

... life does not begin at conception.

Until the law says it does. It doesn't matter when life begins scientifically or morally. All that matters is when life begins legally. And laws change all the time, depending on the will of the majority.

Life, life, life is a human construct to distinguish you from a rock. What we and that rock truly are is energy transformed and as such are eternal, immortal, un killable in essence.
So what you both speak of is to make claim over one transformation that quintessentially is no more significant to yourselves than another. If we are to make claim, to judge, to reside over then that is the sole reserve of the transformations progenitor.

[ZZZZZ]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af MinionJoe:

If the legal punishment for obtaining an abortion or performing an act that endangers an unborn child was set to imprisonment, then yes. That's how laws work. They are written, people vote on them, and then they go into effect.

Tim Pool presented a similar argument recently.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UaPpbqIBjTM

Question to the people who support abortion since it's her body her choice....is it acceptable if a pregnant woman doesn't drugs that will knowingly change the baby inside of her womb? Tim Pool brought up Meth.

and not to forget that lots of normal medical use drugs can affect unborns too

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ZZZZZ:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Tim Pool presented a similar argument recently.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UaPpbqIBjTM

Question to the people who support abortion since it's her body her choice....is it acceptable if a pregnant woman doesn't drugs that will knowingly change the baby inside of her womb? Tim Pool brought up Meth.

and not to forget that lots of normal medical use drugs can affect unborns too

True, but I feel the "illegal drugs" aspect offers more emotional value for the question. Legal drugs could be for the safety of the mother. Whereas illegal drugs would purely be for the entertainment of the woman. Her body, her choice...right?

[Dom]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af MinionJoe:

If the legal punishment for obtaining an abortion or performing an act that endangers an unborn child was set to imprisonment, then yes. That's how laws work. They are written, people vote on them, and then they go into effect.

Tim Pool presented a similar argument recently.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UaPpbqIBjTM

Question to the people who support abortion since it's her body her choice....is it acceptable if a pregnant woman doesn't drugs that will knowingly change the baby inside of her womb? Tim Pool brought up Meth.

To be fair, "My body my choice" is a cringe phrase that should end. I favor abortion rights but I don't believe in that phrase.

That aside the difference in my view is that drugs would have impact on the thing once it has developed into a human being. Whereas with abortion it would just be the end of it, to that development, without further harm to human.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Tim Pool presented a similar argument recently.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UaPpbqIBjTM

Question to the people who support abortion since it's her body her choice....is it acceptable if a pregnant woman doesn't drugs that will knowingly change the baby inside of her womb? Tim Pool brought up Meth.

To be fair, "My body my choice" is a cringe phrase that should end. I favor abortion rights but I don't believe in that phrase.

That aside the difference in my view is that drugs would have impact on the thing once it has developed into a human being. Whereas with abortion it would just be the end of it, to that development, without further harm to human.

What about when the baby can feel harm?

This is the testimony of an abortion doctor before congress. He preformed lots of abortions and then had a change of heart and became an anti-abortion activists. PLEASE NOTE this testimony is not for the faint of heart, it describes an abortion...pretty horrifying. It's 5 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--MhKiaD7c

[Dom]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

To be fair, "My body my choice" is a cringe phrase that should end. I favor abortion rights but I don't believe in that phrase.

That aside the difference in my view is that drugs would have impact on the thing once it has developed into a human being. Whereas with abortion it would just be the end of it, to that development, without further harm to human.

What about when the baby can feel harm?

This is the testimony of an abortion doctor before congress. He preformed lots of abortions and then had a change of heart and became an anti-abortion activists. PLEASE NOTE this testimony is not for the faint of heart, it describes an abortion...pretty horrifying. It's 5 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--MhKiaD7c

Depends on when it's a baby of course. Can't be considered one from the very beginning.

Consciousness itself does not develop until 24 weeks, which gives a good picture.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

What about when the baby can feel harm?

This is the testimony of an abortion doctor before congress. He preformed lots of abortions and then had a change of heart and became an anti-abortion activists. PLEASE NOTE this testimony is not for the faint of heart, it describes an abortion...pretty horrifying. It's 5 minutes long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t--MhKiaD7c

Depends on when it's a baby of course. Can't be considered one from the very beginning.

Consciousness itself does not develop until 24 weeks, which gives a good picture.

None of that...specifically pain. If you go to grab the babies foot with forceps and it yanks it's foot away from you...that moment specifically.

[Dom]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Depends on when it's a baby of course. Can't be considered one from the very beginning.

Consciousness itself does not develop until 24 weeks, which gives a good picture.

None of that...specifically pain. If you go to grab the babies foot with forceps and it yanks it's foot away from you...that moment specifically.

Would have to know what weeks we are talking about though.

The GOP propaganda does not see any difference between 6 weeks and late-term, so it's not even worthy to have the conversation.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

None of that...specifically pain. If you go to grab the babies foot with forceps and it yanks it's foot away from you...that moment specifically.

Would have to know what weeks we are talking about though.

The GOP propaganda does not see any difference between 6 weeks and late-term, so it's not even worthy to have the conversation.

12-15 weeks is about the time when doctors performing the life ending procedure give the fetus fetal analgesic's so the fetus doesn't feel anything at the moment of death.

[Dom]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Would have to know what weeks we are talking about though.

The GOP propaganda does not see any difference between 6 weeks and late-term, so it's not even worthy to have the conversation.

12-15 weeks is about the time when doctors performing the life ending procedure give the fetus fetal analgesic's so the fetus doesn't feel anything at the moment of death.

The person you support politically is in favor of 15-week abortion right, based on the last interview and calls DeSantis abortion ban stupid.

In my country it's allowed until 12 weeks and anything beyond that in special occasions.
It's quite loose in the US though, all the way above 20 weeks in some states.

Can't say I necessarily support that but I do support the right nonetheless, until a certain point.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

12-15 weeks is about the time when doctors performing the life ending procedure give the fetus fetal analgesic's so the fetus doesn't feel anything at the moment of death.

The person you support politically is in favor of 15-week abortion right, based on the last interview and calls DeSantis abortion ban stupid.

In my country it's allowed until 12 weeks and anything beyond that in special occasions.
It's quite loose in the US though, all the way above 20 weeks in some states.

Can't say I necessarily support that but I do support the right nonetheless, until a certain point.

So again is pain of the fetus or harm to another human being a line where you'd draw in the sand and say no after this point. 12-15 weeks are the range. Thank you for stating the facts but you avoided a definitive answer.

[Dom]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

The person you support politically is in favor of 15-week abortion right, based on the last interview and calls DeSantis abortion ban stupid.

In my country it's allowed until 12 weeks and anything beyond that in special occasions.
It's quite loose in the US though, all the way above 20 weeks in some states.

Can't say I necessarily support that but I do support the right nonetheless, until a certain point.

So again is pain of the fetus or harm to another human being a line where you'd draw in the sand and say no after this point. 12-15 weeks are the range. Thank you for stating the facts but you avoided a definitive answer.

I never mentioned fetus in the context of harm/pain, I mentioned human. Those are not the same. You claim I said something I didn't.

Because drug use by the carrier would result in future harm to a human, specifically, it's not allowed.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

So again is pain of the fetus or harm to another human being a line where you'd draw in the sand and say no after this point. 12-15 weeks are the range. Thank you for stating the facts but you avoided a definitive answer.

I never mentioned fetus in the context of harm/pain, I mentioned human. Those are not the same. You claim I said something I didn't.

Because drug use by the carrier would result in future harm to a human, specifically, it's not allowed.

Death is also harm to future human.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Perhaps you're suggesting that it might produce a damaged future human, in which case this is eugenics argument. Harm is just harm...and can mean both death or pain.

[Dom]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Dom:

I never mentioned fetus in the context of harm/pain, I mentioned human. Those are not the same. You claim I said something I didn't.

Because drug use by the carrier would result in future harm to a human, specifically, it's not allowed.

Death is also harm to future human.

Nah. It's not if it happens before that point. The human experiences no pain, the human has - and will not, even exist. You can't do harm to something that does not and will not exist in the first place.

In the context of drug-using carrier that severely damages the fetus it would be much better if they abort it before it becomes a human.