Abortion is a woman's right and must not be taken away from her

[Bobbyk]

Abortion is a woman's right and must not be taken away from her, she has a right to decide about her body. Abortion up to 12 weeks should be legal.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Every abortion is one less future voter.

Then even more:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

Mandatory abortions for everyone! :P

I'd just as soon allow the irresponsible mothers have all the abortions they want; while the responsible families have their kids and raise them right.

The problem sorts itself out within a generation. Two at most.

[Zoopy]

Originally posted by Dom:

I don't put more responsibility on men than I do on women.

Yes you do. A man ejaculates therefore he should have no say in how the next 18 years of his life goes. I get that pregnancy is harder than ejaculating, but it's still an informed risk that both parties take and just because pregnancy is hard on the woman doesn't mean she should get to force the man to care and pay for a child he doesn't want.

If the woman doesn't want to risk getting pregnant, she shouldn't have sex. If the man doesn't want to risk paying for an abortion or the maternity costs up until the birth of the child, he shouldn't have sex. That's a fair system. Not what you're proposing.

The system you're advocating punishes men for having sex. The woman is going to go through the abortion or pregnancy whether the man wants the child or not. Tacking on forced child support for a child the man didn't want is just a punishment at that point.

I reject the very premise of your arguments here, and I don't think your arguments are fair or in favor of equality, and I suspect we're not going to see eye to eye or change each other's minds on this topic, so I'm dropping out because I have no desire to spend my Friday night in a fruitless back and forth that's clearly not going to get anywhere.

I'll leave the conversation with this quote:

A topic like this also raises anecdotes about women "lying" about their contraception in order to "trap" men into having babies, and of men who agree to having children then abandoning them. But these "what ifs" muddy the discussion.

In order to fully engage with the concept, let's assume abortion is safe, affordable and accessible, and the intention of the couple not to get pregnant is mutually understood.

Then, the litmus test is simple: Is it fair for people to be forced to become parents against their wishes? If it's not fair for a woman to be forced to bear a child or have an abortion, it follows it's not fair for a man to be forced to become a parent.

...

When I linked to Zoe Lawton's article on this subject on my Facebook page recently, some of the arguments made against financial abortion by those responding revealed some alarmingly archaic views.

One of the more common cases against it is the notion that, by having sex, you are taking a risk and therefore must "pay the price" if you get pregnant.

But haven't we moved past the thinking that people should be punished simply for engaging in pleasure? Do we really want our children to be conceived by force?

I believe every baby should be wanted, and every parent should be willing.

When we consent to having sex, we do not automatically consent to becoming a parent. If, when a cis male and cis female have vaginal sex, their contraception fails, it doesn't mean both people have to become parents. The options are abortion, adoption, parenting together or sole parenting.

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by L1qu1dator:

Then even more:

I'd just as soon allow the irresponsible mothers have all the abortions they want; while the responsible families have their kids and raise them right.

The problem sorts itself out within a generation. Two at most.

this ain't it chief

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Not Big Surprise:

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

I'd just as soon allow the irresponsible mothers have all the abortions they want; while the responsible families have their kids and raise them right.

The problem sorts itself out within a generation. Two at most.

this ain't it chief

Believe whatever you want.

[Nekoborg]

Originally posted by Snow ☯:

Originally posted by Nekoborg:

Observers sometimes get annoyed at getting constant notifications every time some specific people engage in "endless" arguments that go in circles. We still want notifications when almost anyone else post something new that has not been covered in same threads.

Too bad we can't customize such things in the notification settings; like do not notify when listed users post. This would be a type of setting allowing users add names to a "box" of not to get notifications if named persons post. I am sure some folk would add my name to such a "box" just like I would like to do with a few names as well.

I think it's important to note that while discussers of the topics might not be open to changing their minds, many of the people will read our posts and not comment themselves. We're entertainment and a way for them to form opinions on given topics.

*And are you not entertained"-In a Russel Crow voice.

*And are you not entertained" ? ?

I'm NOT entertained by the same people engaging in endless arguments in almost every thread they post in. 1 or 2 comments of disagreement to same person is ok, after that it becomes annoying to have to get notified over then having to open and scroll past. We want notifications but not when arguments can't get resolved.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

we can compromise and say a baby is 2/3 of a person so you can pick which third to amputate, the legs or the head

[Rhila]

no, after 2 or 3 months that a alive human deserve protection.

[ZZZZZ]

Originally posted by Snow ☯:

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

The delusion in this thread is incredible... how do people function daily that think like this?

Hate to break it to people... sex is for making kids... not for pleasure. Psychosis tells people it's a pleasure issue and not just a byproduct of being too caught up in their own perversions...

Killing babies is monstrous

This isn't "discrimination against one gender over the other" or "misandry" it's about murder.. plain and simple. Period, Full stop.

If you can't grasp that, you're correct, it's gross alright... and truly a reason why there's no need for further discussions... Abortion should be outlawed.

Abortion is a social construct. Naturally women would give birth, unnaturally there's an abortion. If society collapsed tomorrow things like abortion, gender theory, claims that gender different then sex would all disappear because they're social constructs.

Sex is for making kids, that's science...that's how the human race has survived all these years.

if society would collapse u would also most likely become someones personal slave and eat a boot multiple times per day

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Rhila:

no, after 2 or 3 months that a alive human deserve protection.

This is false.

[Nekoborg]

Originally posted by Rhila:

no, after 2 or 3 months that a alive human deserve protection.

I agree 110%

[apathy]

I don't want to be on a planet where killing babies is socially acceptable.

I would immigrate to another planet, but either the moon landings were faked or the universe has shadow banned the lot of us to this empty region of space. >_>

[Rhila]

Originally posted by Fake:

Originally posted by Specter:

Men won't pay child support if women abort.

If a man doesn't want a child, he doesn't get a say but is still required to pay for a child that he didn't want for 18yrs.

He should have an option to forfeit all rights and obligations, giving the mother that wanted the baby.

She keeps the baby.
He keeps his money.

the poor baby is the victim, the mother don't want him and the father don't want him either.
everyone hate the baby even before birth, why they have *** in first place then they ran away from their responsibilities? their own child.
good people die for their children, and these ******* do the opposite.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by Nekoborg:

I agree 110%

btw most pro abortion liberal males they just want to impress liberal girls to bang them, they don't care about women rights or climate change.

This is the most 2014-2016 comment I've ever seen.

[Nekoborg]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by Nekoborg:

I agree 110%

btw most pro abortion liberal males they just want to impress liberal girls to bang them, they don't care about women rights or climate change.

That is not a big surprise to me.

[Not Big Surprise]

Originally posted by Rhila:

Originally posted by Nekoborg:

I agree 110%

btw most pro abortion liberal males they just want to impress liberal girls to bang them, they don't care about women rights or climate change.

ah, yes
men only disagree with you because they think it'll get them sex