Platypus20 20. sep. 2023 kl. 3.01
Book Being Taught to Kids Aged 3 - 7
I'll state I'm bi and don't believe in god. I don't have any religiously motivated dislike to someone just for being lesbian, gay or bi. I just find this book disgusting.

This book is called "The GAYBC's".

"B is for Bi. You can shout it out loud! 'I like boys and girls, and that makes me proud!'".

"C is for Coming out. You're ready to share what you feel deep inside; it's okay to be scared.".

"D is for Drag. You can strut and dance in clothes that you love: dresses, heels, or pants!".

"G is for Gay. It's a word that implies you're a girl who likes girls or a guy who likes guys.".

"I is for Intersex. Some are born with the parts of both a boy and a girl.".

"L is for Lesbian. It's love and affection between two special girls who share a connection.".

"N is for Non-Binary. You don't identify as just being a girl or just being a guy!".

"P is for Pan. You connect with a vibe. No matter the gender, it's about what's inside.".

"Q is for Queer. An inclusive term. It's used to show pride, unite, and affirm!".

"T is for Trans. It's a brave step to take to live as the gender you know is innate.".

"W is for Wonder. With so much to know, always ask questions to think, learn, and grow.".

"X is for X. You can write it down when 'M' or 'F' isn't the right noun.".

So, then, let's start dissecting this book which is obviously predatory.

A book telling kids about bisexuality as young as 3.

Straight away, it's exposing minors to matters of sexuality rather than letting them grow up innocent feeling shy about who they're attracted to. That feeling is there to protect them, it's meant to be there. It's what makes them run away from things which are sexual.

Teaching kids as young as 3 to come out. Coming out isn't just sharing what you feel inside. Coming out is admitting which gender you're attracted to. And obviously, who you're attracted to involves hugging, kissing, etc. It's sexual.

Drag is an adult-themed activity where males dress up in sexually suggestive clothing. A kid will search all these terms up on the internet, probably.

Teaching kids that girls who like girls or boys who like boys are gay.

You know, if we actually think about how a 3 year old interprets this, it's confusing. Liking someone, even non-sexual, could be interpreted as gay. You're a boy and like your friend 'Dan' who is also a boy? This book would say that's gay. So, boys will be running around thinking "Yeah, I'm gay because I like my friend 'Dan'. :D".

In regards to intersex, why is this even lumped together with this stuff? Intersex is a deformity. It's probably in there to try and legitimise the concept of trans.

Though, I always find this a headache because how does it legitimise it for a person who isn't intersex? If you're not intersex but calling yourself trans, how does this argument validate you?

A book teaching kids as young as 3 about being lesbian.

A book teaching kids gender ideology with terms like non-binary.

Teaching kids that going along with a feeling is just pan. What's weird is how being pan is pansexual, so... What is it even suggesting? They know a lot of these kids will search these terms and it'll lead them to things about trans. And then they'll end up reading something that will get them all confused about gender.

Not sure why being queer means you're showing pride and uniting people. I bet there's loads of queer people who are toxic just like there's loads of non-queer people who are toxic. It's telling kids that if you're queer you're good.

Telling kids they're brave for being trans. Kids will think if they say they're trans they're brave. They'll run around saying "I am trans!" while pretending to be a brave dinosaur or whatever.

Using all these terms will psychologically do something to them in the future, no doubt.

I find W predatory when you consider everything in the book. It's telling kids to ask about all these terms, this means they'll get taught in-depth about sexuality with their teachers, and possibly random adults online as they start to get a bit older.

X is nonsense. It manipulatively picks "M" and "F" because, obviously, this will be used for male and female. So, it's telling kids if they don't feel like they are male or female, put X. When in reality, being male or female isn't a feeling.
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Chunk Norris ☯ 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.08 
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"We don't want word to get out that we want to cull the black population"-Quote by Margaret Sanger (please note the actual quote uses a certain expletive word instead of the words "black populations")

Just shows how ignorant whether accidentally or intentional you are about the topic. In America abortion was started as a form of eugenics. Margaret Sanger who founded Planned Parenthood started projects like the N-word Project where her plan was to "weed out the black community" those are her words. She also gave speeches to the Democrats at the time, both at their political rallies and Democrats Klan rallies.

She has documented speeches on record for talking about how we need to sterilize undesirables and send them to "work camps" She was an evil woman and people continued her legacy long as she died.
still don't see how that makes abortion eugenics

Now onto the this book isn't talking about sex...yes it is...gay is a form of sex.
does that mean if books feature or mention straight couples they're featuring sex?
We frequently see arguments from the left about how things rooted in something bad are forever tainted.

We hear talk about how America was somehow built on slaves backs (it wasn't) but because it was, we need to tear down the whole system.

Or we hear about how we need to defund the police because some forms of police using in Democrats states used to also be slave catchers.

Does historical significance no longer matter?

And even if it doesn't. Eugenics is the practice of rearranging human population to create the perfect human or eliminate social ills. It's that last part we should focus on....social ills...well crap a good chunk of the various arguments of why we should accept abortion argue that it would help eliminate social ills. Lower poverty. The baby would be too expensive for the parent...those are all eugenics arguments.

ANd as for books I'm not interested in your whataboutism of likely pointing to the bible as somethign that has sex in it...yes the bible does, but the bibles specific purpose isn't to introduce kids to sex, which is what these gender ideologies do.
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Crystal Sharrd 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.13 
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still don't see how that makes abortion eugenics


does that mean if books feature or mention straight couples they're featuring sex?
We frequently see arguments from the left about how things rooted in something bad are forever tainted.

We hear talk about how America was somehow built on slaves backs (it wasn't) but because it was, we need to tear down the whole system.

Or we hear about how we need to defund the police because some forms of police using in Democrats states used to also be slave catchers.

Does historical significance no longer matter?

And even if it doesn't. Eugenics is the practice of rearranging human population to create the perfect human or eliminate social ills. It's that last part we should focus on....social ills...well crap a good chunk of the various arguments of why we should accept abortion argue that it would help eliminate social ills. Lower poverty. The baby would be too expensive for the parent...those are all eugenics arguments.

ANd as for books I'm not interested in your whataboutism of likely pointing to the bible as somethign that has sex in it...yes the bible does, but the bibles specific purpose isn't to introduce kids to sex, which is what these gender ideologies do.
That isn't the purpose of "gender ideologies" either.
Not Big Surprise 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.19 
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still don't see how that makes abortion eugenics


does that mean if books feature or mention straight couples they're featuring sex?
We frequently see arguments from the left about how things rooted in something bad are forever tainted.

We hear talk about how America was somehow built on slaves backs (it wasn't) but because it was, we need to tear down the whole system.

Or we hear about how we need to defund the police because some forms of police using in Democrats states used to also be slave catchers.

Does historical significance no longer matter?
that's not really how they go, but that's irrelevant to the discussion right now

And even if it doesn't. Eugenics is the practice of rearranging human population to create the perfect human or eliminate social ills. It's that last part we should focus on....social ills...well crap a good chunk of the various arguments of why we should accept abortion argue that it would help eliminate social ills. Lower poverty. The baby would be too expensive for the parent...those are all eugenics arguments.
see that would be a good point if abortion was something enforced upon populations
but since it's merely offered as an alternative for those who would rather not have another kid at that point in time, can you really say it's eugenics?

ANd as for books I'm not interested in your whataboutism of likely pointing to the bible as somethign that has sex in it...yes the bible does, but the bibles specific purpose isn't to introduce kids to sex, which is what these gender ideologies do.
i never mentioned the bible?
i mean, there are pretty explicit depictions of sex in the bible, but bringing that up wouldn't illustrate the point i'm making

my point is, the book doesn't introduce kids to sex any more than snowwhite or cinderella do
Chunk Norris ☯ 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.25 
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We frequently see arguments from the left about how things rooted in something bad are forever tainted.

We hear talk about how America was somehow built on slaves backs (it wasn't) but because it was, we need to tear down the whole system.

Or we hear about how we need to defund the police because some forms of police using in Democrats states used to also be slave catchers.

Does historical significance no longer matter?

And even if it doesn't. Eugenics is the practice of rearranging human population to create the perfect human or eliminate social ills. It's that last part we should focus on....social ills...well crap a good chunk of the various arguments of why we should accept abortion argue that it would help eliminate social ills. Lower poverty. The baby would be too expensive for the parent...those are all eugenics arguments.

ANd as for books I'm not interested in your whataboutism of likely pointing to the bible as somethign that has sex in it...yes the bible does, but the bibles specific purpose isn't to introduce kids to sex, which is what these gender ideologies do.
That isn't the purpose of "gender ideologies" either.
The purpose of the ideology is to encourage narcissistic behavior, encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns.

If you slap the name LGQBT rights in front of whatever someone wants to push including bad science like gender ideology, this group will fight for those rights.

This is why I think Republicans should start claiming Democrats are trying to remove gay rights...what rights are those? Oh the right for a gay person to own an AR-15 of course.


This comment was brought to you by the letter "C"

C is for "coming out"
Not Big Surprise 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.28 
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That isn't the purpose of "gender ideologies" either.
The purpose of the ideology is to encourage narcissistic behavior, encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns.

If you slap the name LGQBT rights in front of whatever someone wants to push including bad science like gender ideology, this group will fight for those rights.

This is why I think Republicans should start claiming Democrats are trying to remove gay rights...what rights are those? Oh the right for a gay person to own an AR-15 of course.


This comment was brought to you by the letter "C"

C is for "coming out"
the narcissistic behavior of... being yourself, and... wanting to leave the closet
Chunk Norris ☯ 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.31 
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We frequently see arguments from the left about how things rooted in something bad are forever tainted.

We hear talk about how America was somehow built on slaves backs (it wasn't) but because it was, we need to tear down the whole system.

Or we hear about how we need to defund the police because some forms of police using in Democrats states used to also be slave catchers.

Does historical significance no longer matter?
that's not really how they go, but that's irrelevant to the discussion right now

And even if it doesn't. Eugenics is the practice of rearranging human population to create the perfect human or eliminate social ills. It's that last part we should focus on....social ills...well crap a good chunk of the various arguments of why we should accept abortion argue that it would help eliminate social ills. Lower poverty. The baby would be too expensive for the parent...those are all eugenics arguments.
see that would be a good point if abortion was something enforced upon populations
but since it's merely offered as an alternative for those who would rather not have another kid at that point in time, can you really say it's eugenics?

ANd as for books I'm not interested in your whataboutism of likely pointing to the bible as somethign that has sex in it...yes the bible does, but the bibles specific purpose isn't to introduce kids to sex, which is what these gender ideologies do.
i never mentioned the bible?
i mean, there are pretty explicit depictions of sex in the bible, but bringing that up wouldn't illustrate the point i'm making

my point is, the book doesn't introduce kids to sex any more than snowwhite or cinderella do
You'd like to make it irrelevant to the conversation so you could ignore the generations of suffering of the black and minority communities at the hands of pro-abortionists/eugenics in America. Remember all this stuff is a large part of the reason certain communities are distrustful of the government.

If you support the vaccine, please check the stats record low trust from black and latinos in this government healthcare initiative. And part of that distrusts comes from events like what we're discussing.

As for willing abortion vs forced abortions, you have a point however research the N-word project by Margaret Sangers, the point was to make abortions readily available to certain communities and to this day abortion clnics are largely in certain communities over others.

That will cause a form of eugenics whether it's intentional or not.

And the entire book is about sex. The GAYBC's....a form of sex is in the very name of the book and every topic in the book talks about some form of introduction to sexual topics. I find that often people are too close to the topic.
Not Big Surprise 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.36 
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that's not really how they go, but that's irrelevant to the discussion right now


see that would be a good point if abortion was something enforced upon populations
but since it's merely offered as an alternative for those who would rather not have another kid at that point in time, can you really say it's eugenics?


i never mentioned the bible?
i mean, there are pretty explicit depictions of sex in the bible, but bringing that up wouldn't illustrate the point i'm making

my point is, the book doesn't introduce kids to sex any more than snowwhite or cinderella do
You'd like to make it irrelevant to the conversation so you could ignore the generations of suffering of the black and minority communities at the hands of pro-abortionists/eugenics in America. Remember all this stuff is a large part of the reason certain communities are distrustful of the government.

If you support the vaccine, please check the stats record low trust from black and latinos in this government healthcare initiative. And part of that distrusts comes from events like what we're discussing.

As for willing abortion vs forced abortions, you have a point however research the N-word project by Margaret Sangers, the point was to make abortions readily available to certain communities and to this day abortion clnics are largely in certain communities over others.

That will cause a form of eugenics whether it's intentional or not.
okay

And the entire book is about sex. The GAYBC's....a form of sex is in the very name of the book and every topic in the book talks about some form of introduction to sexual topics. I find that often people are too close to the topic.
"gay" doesn't exclusively refer to sexual attraction

yes, i know, it's called "sexuality"
but when you look past semantics and into the concepts themselves, you find out that a gay couple for instance can be a romantic gay couple

saying that talking about gayness is talking about sex is like saying talking about straightness is talking about sex
it simply makes no sense when you know even a little bit about the subject
Chunk Norris ☯ 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.39 
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The purpose of the ideology is to encourage narcissistic behavior, encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns.

If you slap the name LGQBT rights in front of whatever someone wants to push including bad science like gender ideology, this group will fight for those rights.

This is why I think Republicans should start claiming Democrats are trying to remove gay rights...what rights are those? Oh the right for a gay person to own an AR-15 of course.


This comment was brought to you by the letter "C"

C is for "coming out"
the narcissistic behavior of... being yourself, and... wanting to leave the closet
What is narcissism? It's an intense self-love or self-interest in oneself. Usually followed by the inability to understand other peoples feelings.

Anything that focuses on immutable characteristics or identity characteristics are going to encourage narcissism and we have alot of it in our society. People identifying as their race, gender, or sexual orientation and building their entire identities over it.

As for leaving the "closet" that doesn't truly happen. One leaves the closet for one thing only to enter another closet. Notice my previous definition included "encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns"

That's key.

And that's something that you see. There are trans-women who reject the ideology that we frequently discuss, and they are often ostracized from a community that claims love and tolerance.

And don't take this as poking the bear just for fun, I would like to see a kinder, more caring, more tolerant and healthier community
Chunk Norris ☯ 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.47 
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You'd like to make it irrelevant to the conversation so you could ignore the generations of suffering of the black and minority communities at the hands of pro-abortionists/eugenics in America. Remember all this stuff is a large part of the reason certain communities are distrustful of the government.

If you support the vaccine, please check the stats record low trust from black and latinos in this government healthcare initiative. And part of that distrusts comes from events like what we're discussing.

As for willing abortion vs forced abortions, you have a point however research the N-word project by Margaret Sangers, the point was to make abortions readily available to certain communities and to this day abortion clnics are largely in certain communities over others.

That will cause a form of eugenics whether it's intentional or not.
okay

And the entire book is about sex. The GAYBC's....a form of sex is in the very name of the book and every topic in the book talks about some form of introduction to sexual topics. I find that often people are too close to the topic.
"gay" doesn't exclusively refer to sexual attraction

yes, i know, it's called "sexuality"
but when you look past semantics and into the concepts themselves, you find out that a gay couple for instance can be a romantic gay couple

saying that talking about gayness is talking about sex is like saying talking about straightness is talking about sex
it simply makes no sense when you know even a little bit about the subject
You're right "gay' doesn't specifically reference sexual attraction...

It can mean "happy" which is what it used to mean a long time ago. But in the modern era gay is a form of sexual attraction. And gay in terms of the title of the book is to "educate/indoctrinate" kids into this "culture"

And I see what you're saying about "gay" but I see it as a preference not some great building block for a completely different people. It's like saying I like Chocolate Ice Cream and you like Strawberry. And it's a preference that are "abnormal" hence "C" is for coming out.

Let kids find the abnormal stuff on their own time instead of learning about it and then deciding to be that thing...when they really aren't that thing.

Kids are stupid and they are highly influenced by things around them and are notorious for making bad choices or choices which wouldn't really fit them.

I hated my name as a kid, and I one day went to my parents wanting to change my name to "Super" they denied my identity and didn't allow my name change.
Platypus20 21. sep. 2023 kl. 10.53 
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does that mean if books feature or mention straight couples they're featuring sex?

You're missing the point of what the book is doing.

This kind of book will cause confusion and psychological problems for kids. What has drag got to do with a 3-year-old? The fact that drag is in there is a red flag. Out of everything appropriate for kids, such as colours, teaching different kinds of fruit (innocent things for kids), drag is there. Telling boys to put on girls' clothes. Like, why? It's obviously going to cause confusion. He'll put on girls' clothes, pretend he's a girl, perhaps like it too much and wish he was a girl. Then what happens? "I like pretending to be a girl, it's fun. Hmm. What if I am a girl but born in the wrong body?".

How are you unable to see why this is a problem?

Then this boy grows up confused which leads to puberty blockers, HRT, surgery.

Like, no responsible, sane parent wants their child to turn out trans because then their child will have to go through the issues trans people go through.

What if a child gets confused about gender because of gender ideology taught to them? Like, what if that child would've turned out normal if we left them alone and didn't put ideas in their head?

We want kids to turn out normal/healthy(no problems), as normal as we can get them because that's best for them.

Yes, some kids, without gender ideology taught to them, will get confused about gender. It's unfortunate but why should that mean we should be putting ideas in the heads of all the other kids which aren't confused about gender?

Like, do you actually think a kid can't be confused into thinking they're the wrong gender? They can. And that's what this book risks doing. I'd say it's intentionally doing it by planting the ideas to begin with.

People don't want the risk, mate.
Q-T_3.14.exe 21. sep. 2023 kl. 11.01 
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The purpose of the ideology is to encourage narcissistic behavior, encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns.

If you slap the name LGQBT rights in front of whatever someone wants to push including bad science like gender ideology, this group will fight for those rights.

This is why I think Republicans should start claiming Democrats are trying to remove gay rights...what rights are those? Oh the right for a gay person to own an AR-15 of course.


This comment was brought to you by the letter "C"

C is for "coming out"
the narcissistic behavior of... being yourself, and... wanting to leave the closet
I prefer it in the closet. It's cozy. But my bed isn't in there so I have to get out. :csd2smile:
Not Big Surprise 21. sep. 2023 kl. 11.06 
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the narcissistic behavior of... being yourself, and... wanting to leave the closet
What is narcissism? It's an intense self-love or self-interest in oneself. Usually followed by the inability to understand other peoples feelings.
narcissism refers to an excessive admiration of oneself, it's not intense self-love
and no, accepting you're queer doesn't make it hard or impossible to understand others, nor does it make you dismiss their emotions

Anything that focuses on immutable characteristics or identity characteristics are going to encourage narcissism and we have alot of it in our society. People identifying as their race, gender, or sexual orientation and building their entire identities over it.
people don't "build their entire identities over it"
these things simply are a part of who we are

also not all of them are necessary immutable per-se, but judging by your stances you are absolutely not ready for that conversation


As for leaving the "closet" that doesn't truly happen. One leaves the closet for one thing only to enter another closet. Notice my previous definition included "encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns"

That's key.
not really
it's more so a mix of a few things

the world being pretty much centered around, say, cis people, in a way that ignores and often excludes trans people
there are small societal changes that could be done that would benefit us without really impacting everyone else much if at all
things like a deeper understanding of gender, or potentially asking people how they'd prefer to be referred to like we do with names

and no, you don't have to "toe the line as for voting patterns"
just don't vote the party that has dedicated itself to spreading transphobic rhetoric for the entire year so far

And that's something that you see. There are trans-women who reject the ideology that we frequently discuss, and they are often ostracized from a community that claims love and tolerance.
just don't be a grifter lmao

And don't take this as poking the bear just for fun, I would like to see a kinder, more caring, more tolerant and healthier community
idk i think it's pretty healthy when you ignore the blatant misrepresentations made by chuds and people who want to be "the good ones"

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okay


"gay" doesn't exclusively refer to sexual attraction

yes, i know, it's called "sexuality"
but when you look past semantics and into the concepts themselves, you find out that a gay couple for instance can be a romantic gay couple

saying that talking about gayness is talking about sex is like saying talking about straightness is talking about sex
it simply makes no sense when you know even a little bit about the subject
You're right "gay' doesn't specifically reference sexual attraction...

It can mean "happy" which is what it used to mean a long time ago. But in the modern era gay is a form of sexual attraction. And gay in terms of the title of the book is to "educate/indoctrinate" kids into this "culture"

And I see what you're saying about "gay" but I see it as a preference not some great building block for a completely different people. It's like saying I like Chocolate Ice Cream and you like Strawberry. And it's a preference that are "abnormal" hence "C" is for coming out.

Let kids find the abnormal stuff on their own time instead of learning about it and then deciding to be that thing...when they really aren't that thing.

Kids are stupid and they are highly influenced by things around them and are notorious for making bad choices or choices which wouldn't really fit them.

I hated my name as a kid, and I one day went to my parents wanting to change my name to "Super" they denied my identity and didn't allow my name change.
i would say unusual

still, i think it would be much better if they learned about things in controlled environments rather than having to rely on the internet to find out why they "can't stop liking the wrong gender", or ending up thinking that if you don't fall in line you're a weirdo


also idk, something about your overall behavior over time gives me some disbelief in your story

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does that mean if books feature or mention straight couples they're featuring sex?

You're missing the point of what the book is doing.

This kind of book will cause confusion and psychological problems for kids. What has drag got to do with a 3-year-old? The fact that drag is in there is a red flag. Out of everything appropriate for kids, such as colours, teaching different kinds of fruit (innocent things for kids), drag is there. Telling boys to put on girls' clothes. Like, why? It's obviously going to cause confusion. He'll put on girls' clothes, pretend he's a girl, perhaps like it too much and wish he was a girl. Then what happens? "I like pretending to be a girl, it's fun. Hmm. What if I am a girl but born in the wrong body?".

How are you unable to see why this is a problem?

Then this boy grows up confused which leads to puberty blockers, HRT, surgery.

Like, no responsible, sane parent wants their child to turn out trans because then their child will have to go through the issues trans people go through.

What if a child gets confused about gender because of gender ideology taught to them? Like, what if that child would've turned out normal if we left them alone and didn't put ideas in their head?
see that's the thing, kids who feel those sorts of things, usually are trans
trying to hide or demonize our existence won't change that— all it'll do is cause confusion, potentially years of self-hatred, and eventually the shattering of your kid's trust in you

learning about these subjects is precisely what will prevent confusion, whether it is because the kids are queer or simply see queer people

We want kids to turn out normal/healthy(no problems), as normal as we can get them because that's best for them.

Yes, some kids, without gender ideology taught to them, will get confused about gender. It's unfortunate but why should that mean we should be putting ideas in the heads of all the other kids which aren't confused about gender?

Like, do you actually think a kid can't be confused into thinking they're the wrong gender? They can. And that's what this book risks doing. I'd say it's intentionally doing it by planting the ideas to begin with.

People don't want the risk, mate.
see the funny thing is, trying to provide an accepting environment for trans people where we can transition, has time and time again been shown to be beneficial for our mental health, and conversely trying to put up roadblocks to it tends to be pretty harmful




anyway, i'm surprised that as a bi person you don't recognize the rhetoric you're using here
i wasn't around for things like the aids epidemic, the stonewall riots, or the severe demonizing of queer people during the latter half of the last century; but even still, it's easy for me to see that all the talking points you're using would have been used against you back in the day
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The purpose of the ideology is to encourage narcissistic behavior, encourage people to think of themselves as victims to encourage a self-sealing social network that requires these folks to toe the line as far as voting patterns.

If you slap the name LGQBT rights in front of whatever someone wants to push including bad science like gender ideology, this group will fight for those rights.

This is why I think Republicans should start claiming Democrats are trying to remove gay rights...what rights are those? Oh the right for a gay person to own an AR-15 of course.


This comment was brought to you by the letter "C"

C is for "coming out"
the narcissistic behavior of... being yourself, and... wanting to leave the closet
No the narcissistic behavior of demanding your self-title should be forced on everyone and ignoring all consequences of that demand on the people in question based entirely on the narcissists personal pleasures or emotional disposition. The Pride Movement wants people fired and -arrested- for not using someone's self-title even in open disregard for the rules of the language. They want businesses and artists to both apply forced quotas onto entire groups of people(see Wizards of the Coast and the Oscors for example.)

If you wanna discuss the issue you have to be honest and specific about what is being asked, by you or otherwise, not just drive everything ever asked into a tiny little phrase that you can package as some absolute goods without consequence.
Not Big Surprise 21. sep. 2023 kl. 11.10 
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the narcissistic behavior of... being yourself, and... wanting to leave the closet
No the narcissistic behavior of demanding your self-title should be forced on everyone and ignoring all consequences of that demand on the people in question based entirely on the narcissists personal pleasures or emotional disposition. The Pride Movement wants people fired and -arrested- for not using someone's self-title even in open disregard for the rules of the language. They want businesses and artists to both apply forced quotas onto entire groups of people(see Wizards of the Coast and the Oscors for example.)

If you wanna discuss the issue you have to be honest and specific about what is being asked, by you or otherwise, not just drive everything ever asked into a tiny little phrase that you can package as some absolute goods without consequence.
wait until you hear about names
Platypus20 21. sep. 2023 kl. 11.18 
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I agree that, for some, transitioning saves lives.

However, shouldn't we be trying to prevent people from turning out trans to begin with?

Like, why would you want to put ideas in a person's head that could confuse them and cause gender dysphoria? It's harmful.

Like, the responsible thing to do is try and prevent it, not encourage it.
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