Switch to a gaming laptop to drastically cut on bills

[Agent]

I game 9 hours per day on average if we include weekend game time vs work hours.

Electricity per kWh in my area is 0.32p.

My deskop pulls 440 watts from the wall.

The laptop pulls 200 watts from the wall.

This comes out at:

£462.58 per year for the desktop.

£210.26 for the laptop.

This is a huge saving! So guys I'd think twice before buying a desktop for gaming. Never again.

[Ulfrinn]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stacked:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ulfrinn:

There's a limit to how much money people can actually spend. With energy technologies we know if, we could make energy damn near free, but we don't. So instead of playing into their game of reducing usage, so that they have room to increase costs, knowing we can spend more so that they could enjoy higher profit margins, we need to not give ground on the matter, and demand things like nuclear, be implemented to reduce the costs.

Good luck arguing nuclear plants to the woke "eco friendly" crowd.

Yeah, the sad part is, they're the cleanest form of energy we have. And the lowest cost to operate. Meaning you could dang near make energy for all citizens for thousands of years to come, but then, "big green" would be out of business too.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Diposting pertama kali oleh anrkyuk:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Pieshaman:

if you really pay 32 pence per kwh you paying more or less 3x too much

I'm paying £0.345 p/kwh, I've done multiple "price" comparisons over the last 3 months and there is no cheaper supplier, my annual G&E is around £2600, two thirds of which is solely from heating (I live in a large, very old house made from twin skinned brick walls, no cavity and no insulation, something I'm working on rectifying, albeit slowly).

My current desktop I spec'd to give the best performance per watt. I have a 65w CPU (5700x), a GPU with a max consumption of 203w which is undervolted (Asus TUF 4070) powered by a Seasonic Prime TX (80+ Titanium PSU) and I cap my FPS to 60 in the months I have heating on, this limits my desktop consumption to just under 190w when AAA gaming.

I also have other devices that I use that are far lower power, such a Surface Pro 6 for just browsing the web, watching Youtube, reading etc, a Steam Deck for lite gaming, and an Omen 17 (9750H/2070 Super) laptop that I use for photo/video editing, which I'm considering replacing with a HP Elite Mini PC with a T series 35w CPU as I don't need the GPU in the laptop.

cheapest energy in nederlands is about 38-39 eurocent per kwh.
and thats nothing.. a year ago it was more than 120 eurocent per kwh.

can't buy a house -> house prices here are insane.
but I am allowed to pay twice the monthly amount in rent, than the bank would allow me to pay in morgage payment.

can't install solar panals or isolation -> as a tennant one is not allowed to make such structural changes to your house
can't force landlord to install them either -> he has 0 incentive to do so, as he aint the one paying my utilities bill

and energy prices are just this insane in my nation.

[Devsman]

Diposting pertama kali oleh xAlphaStarOmegax:

If you game with a laptop, you're going to want a cooling pad underneath. Nowadays, things cost more but are unfortunately made with cheaper parts. I had an Asus Rog laptop that was only two years old and cost around $1600 to burn up. Then I had an MSI that I think was only three years old that cost over $3000 to burn up. After all of that, I vowed to never spend over a few hundred on a laptop. Now I have an HP, which only costs $500–$600 range, and I use a cooling pad under it, and so far I can play the games that I want just fine.

Better than a $15000 car that burned up after three months and ten days, like what happened to me.

This world is just full of crooks and that's all there is to it.

[Dutchgamer1982]

a laptop is ment for mobile use when you don't have power nearby.

-any laptop sold without 6-9 hrs of battery is not worth the name

as you should be expected to work a full workday on them.. they should also have a screen and keyboard thats large enough to confortably do that.. so they should likely be 23 or 25 inch in size.
thats today small for a monitor but doable.

and they are ment to be used.. so they should be capable to keep their performance up an unlimited amount of time.
the coolant solutution in them must be sufficient to prevent any trottling even if run 24/7 and needing no external cooling or aid.

now let the form flow from this.

with 3 variants

1 schoollaptops : battery life extended to 9-12hr

2 workkaptop : extra durable, dust, water, fall and shockproofing.
also need mechanical keyboard.

3 gaming laptop : larger schreen (25 inch) and extra bulky batteries and cooling to power the more power hungry parts.

[.EteRnal.]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stacked:

I game 9 hours per day on average if we include weekend game time vs work hours.

Electricity per kWh in my area is 0.32p.

My deskop pulls 440 watts from the wall.

The laptop pulls 200 watts from the wall.

This comes out at:

£462.58 per year for the desktop.

£210.26 for the laptop.

This is a huge saving! So guys I'd think twice before buying a desktop for gaming. Never again.

Getting a more efficient PSU and Undervolting is a great way to save electricity.

[Agent]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Devsman:

Diposting pertama kali oleh xAlphaStarOmegax:

If you game with a laptop, you're going to want a cooling pad underneath. Nowadays, things cost more but are unfortunately made with cheaper parts. I had an Asus Rog laptop that was only two years old and cost around $1600 to burn up. Then I had an MSI that I think was only three years old that cost over $3000 to burn up. After all of that, I vowed to never spend over a few hundred on a laptop. Now I have an HP, which only costs $500–$600 range, and I use a cooling pad under it, and so far I can play the games that I want just fine.

Better than a $15000 car that burned up after three months and ten days, like what happened to me.

This world is just full of crooks and that's all there is to it.

I only buy cars from well known dealers that have good warranties for this reason.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Diposting pertama kali oleh .EteRnal.:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Stacked:

I game 9 hours per day on average if we include weekend game time vs work hours.

Electricity per kWh in my area is 0.32p.

My deskop pulls 440 watts from the wall.

The laptop pulls 200 watts from the wall.

This comes out at:

£462.58 per year for the desktop.

£210.26 for the laptop.

This is a huge saving! So guys I'd think twice before buying a desktop for gaming. Never again.

Getting a more efficient PSU and Undervolting is a great way to save electricity.

undervolting, like overclocking is not a thing everybody is skilling in or willing to commit to.


but I wonder..
-if I wanted a system, that could run 4k at max settings 100+ fps.
and we care not for part prices
and we would be prepared to undervolt ram, cpu and gpu
and to shell out for passive cooling (so no powerdraw on fans either)

how low could we get the powerdraw of a system like that get?

[Agent]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dutchgamer1982:

Diposting pertama kali oleh .EteRnal.:

Getting a more efficient PSU and Undervolting is a great way to save electricity.

undervolting, like overclocking is not a thing everybody is skilling in or willing to commit to.


but I wonder..
-if I wanted a system, that could run 4k at max settings 100+ fps.
and we care not for part prices
and we would be prepared to undervolt ram, cpu and gpu
and to shell out for passive cooling (so no powerdraw on fans either)

how low could we get the powerdraw of a system like that get?

I think 20 years from now all desktops and laptops will be passively cooled. Which is cool to think about, no noise at all.

[Pocahawtness]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dutchgamer1982:

MY pc has a 1500W psu.
It has parts that together

TDP HD 2x9 = 18W
TDP SSD = 2W
TDP ram 8x6 = 48W
TDP GPU = 250W
TDP CPU = 140W
TDP fans 140mm 6x10 = 60W
TDP water pump = 45W
TDP motherboard = 5W
= 566W

in practice.. : under full load my system draws 720-780W

in idle mode it draws about halve that.. (just logged in in windows not pressed a button it is about 340W, with a text editor open.. but not moving the mouse or typing it's closer to 420W)

when in full sleep mode.. it still draws well over 60W

my power is 38 eurocent per KWH
my total powerbill is just above 2000 euro per year for my entire household
(thats for an apartment, all lights LED, no AC, a fridge A+++ a washing machine A+++ and a dryer A+++)

I have monitored and my pc consumes about 1400 euro worth of power PER YEAR.. all my other utensils use just a little over 600W

at that point the price of the parts is a non issue... the poweruse is!

thats a sizable chunk... so thats why I not get why NVIDEA has basicly kept performance per watt so flat for the last 6 years..

with nonsense like a 4090 drawing 450W..

a 4070ti (thats on par in performance with a 2080ti) 485W and a 4070 (thats just shy of it) at 200W

ditto with the cpu's
a 10 core, 20 processes cpu, with 40 lanes.. with similair performance as my 6950x..
-to have similair performance, at best I can drop to 120W tdp but I halve my number of lanes.. and drop to 8 cores.. or I drop to 28 lanes and rise to 170W
if I stick with intel I can get what I had..but than the powerdraw for a modern similair cpu will be 250W

I am amazed your power draw is so high. What are you doing? My idle draw is only about 150W and that includes the monitor.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Scary👻Pocah:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dutchgamer1982:

MY pc has a 1500W psu.
It has parts that together

TDP HD 2x9 = 18W
TDP SSD = 2W
TDP ram 8x6 = 48W
TDP GPU = 250W
TDP CPU = 140W
TDP fans 140mm 6x10 = 60W
TDP water pump = 45W
TDP motherboard = 5W
= 566W

in practice.. : under full load my system draws 720-780W

in idle mode it draws about halve that.. (just logged in in windows not pressed a button it is about 340W, with a text editor open.. but not moving the mouse or typing it's closer to 420W)

when in full sleep mode.. it still draws well over 60W

my power is 38 eurocent per KWH
my total powerbill is just above 2000 euro per year for my entire household
(thats for an apartment, all lights LED, no AC, a fridge A+++ a washing machine A+++ and a dryer A+++)

I have monitored and my pc consumes about 1400 euro worth of power PER YEAR.. all my other utensils use just a little over 600W

at that point the price of the parts is a non issue... the poweruse is!

thats a sizable chunk... so thats why I not get why NVIDEA has basicly kept performance per watt so flat for the last 6 years..

with nonsense like a 4090 drawing 450W..

a 4070ti (thats on par in performance with a 2080ti) 485W and a 4070 (thats just shy of it) at 200W

ditto with the cpu's
a 10 core, 20 processes cpu, with 40 lanes.. with similair performance as my 6950x..
-to have similair performance, at best I can drop to 120W tdp but I halve my number of lanes.. and drop to 8 cores.. or I drop to 28 lanes and rise to 170W
if I stick with intel I can get what I had..but than the powerdraw for a modern similair cpu will be 250W

I am amazed your power draw is so high. What are you doing? My idle draw is only about 150W and that includes the monitor.

well quite simple :
8 ramstrips of 16GB.. each ramstrip draws constant power when in sleep and idle mode so the more you have, the more it draws.

10 140W fans, a waterpump, 2 harddrives and 1ssd all draw power.. and quite a bunch of LED strips, draw power, regardless of load.
(oh and 2 usb hubs, and a corsair commander mini do also draw power as well as a netwerkcard.

tso thats the bulk of what draws power when idle..

my draw does include monitor too (but at 30-40W thats not a big part of it, quite the efficient monitor it is)