How can atheists live knowing they risk eternal punishment in hell?

[The Impractical Engineer]

Something that never made sense to me. Those who do not believe cannot be saved, and will go to hell, so why not believe? God has the power to send people to hell:

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

And Jesus said:

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”

God bless.

[Xero_Daxter]

Messaggio originale di Wumbo:

yeah right,nato wont go to hell for murdering middle easterners

Lmfaoooo!! I spat out my drink.

[Piston Smashed™]

Messaggio originale di The Impractical Engineer:

And Jesus said:
Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”

Scaremongering....

[L1qu1dator]

Messaggio originale di The Impractical Engineer:

And Jesus said:

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irKxtVOymXY

[sleeps]

Messaggio originale di Plaid:

Messaggio originale di sleeps:

how can both live knowing that both wish each other to live in hell?

too lazy reading the comments

By "hell" do you mean to have a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ quality of life? I've only wished that on individuals for their perceived wrong-doings, and only out of anger and spite.

But really, work life down to what it needs to exist, and you'll find a simple notion or concept ain't it. Life doesn't depend on religious belief.

both metaphorically and literally. i didn't really took the thread seriously to begin with

i don't want to talk about religion tbh. sometimes i just think some people didn't have enough time to learn religion/theology

[Xero_Daxter]

I read the Bible for the laughs. Like the time Jacob stole Esau’s blessing from his father, ran away to marry his cousins, and ripped off his uncle. Oh yeah… don’t forget that God messed with Rachel by making her infertile.

No seriously… that was in the Bible.

[wesnef]

Lord, save us from your followers.

[The Impractical Engineer]

In regards to your comment of the fate of the unlearned, well, the official stance of the church is that it may be possible for them to enter the kingdom of heaven, on the basis they would have desired baptism, Copying from the article, it reads:

“ Unbaptized catechumens can be saved, in the Roman Catholic view, because the desire to receive the sacrament of baptism, together with sincere repentance for one's sins and the attainment of "divine and Catholic faith", insures salvation.[12] In the case of the righteous unlearned, "it may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity" and, by extension, God may permit them to attain salvation. ”

Also, as my own input, what about the harrowing of hell, when Jesus descended into hell to let some people who lived before him through to heaven? It is possible and has happened.

We cannot know for certain His judgement, but the evidence suggests he, if you act in good nature, will be allowed into heaven. However, this is on the pretense you don’t outright reject him.

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Messaggio originale di The Impractical Engineer:

Something that never made sense to me. Those who do not believe cannot be saved, and will go to hell, so why not believe? God has the power to send people to hell:

“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

And Jesus said:

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”

God bless.

Everyone is equally at risk since everyone can be wrong. The truth is not known, it is not something obvious, and there are a lot of different religions in this world.

[Felonious Punk]

The crucifix was for torturing people to death. For some reason, people think it's just great and holy to wear like jewelry. It's weird.

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Messaggio originale di Thomas Hobbes, Philosopher Esq.:

The crucifix was for torturing people to death. For some reason, people think it's just great and holy to wear like jewelry. It's weird.

There are a lot of weird things in religion. And if non-religion was organized (think there may be some organized ones, I just never bothered to look into it since while I am an atheist, I am just not interested in that kind of thing), there would be weird things there as well. We humans are weird and we would be really boring if we werent.

EDIT:

In my country we have a tradition where we put a p*nis made of flowers in the ground and dance around it, pretending to be frogs.

[☎need4naiim☎]

Messaggio originale di Irene ❤:

... Not just Christian, if you look at Muslims, it has evolved into two versions (Sunni and Shia). One that believes to live in peace and one that fights for peace. The terrorist group today that fought for God believes in the 2nd version.

I don't belong to those sects.

Islam depends on Qur'anic verses first and foremost. Then comes prophet's words and practices. I don't care how the news channels of PRC portray Islam. You can't learn Islam from the mouths of extremist Nationalists but from Qur'an itself.

[apathy]

Messaggio originale di The Impractical Engineer:

In regards to your comment of the fate of the unlearned, well, the official stance of the church is that it may be possible for them to enter the kingdom of heaven, on the basis they would have desired baptism, Copying from the article, it reads:

“ Unbaptized catechumens can be saved, in the Roman Catholic view, because the desire to receive the sacrament of baptism, together with sincere repentance for one's sins and the attainment of "divine and Catholic faith", insures salvation.[12] In the case of the righteous unlearned, "it may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity" and, by extension, God may permit them to attain salvation. ”

Also, as my own input, what about the harrowing of hell, when Jesus descended into hell to let some people who lived before him through to heaven? It is possible and has happened.

We cannot know for certain His judgement, but the evidence suggests he, if you act in good nature, will be allowed into heaven. However, this is on the pretense you don’t outright reject him.

You seriously think there's only one church of Christianity... and that church is a Catholic one?

You seriously don't think many non-Catholic Christians would... gasp... dare to disagree with you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx27wa0SpN4


Besides even if you weren't Catholic, and you make the fallacious argument that God is going to give you the incorruptible version of the gospels after death, it invalidates this entire life and existence. Everything is pointless, including Jesus's already questionable three-day-sacrifice.

Why should anyone listen to the corruptible open-to-interpretation weak words from you, when they can die and receive the good news direct from the source?

You understand the Fate of the Unlearned makes a total joke of EVERY single religion that proselytizes. Its a paradox that undermines all religions. If its true, your god is cruel. If its false, there's no point in this life anymore!

Religion has checkmated itself in Chess before I even got to have a turn!

[Xero_Daxter]

Why are there so many denomination of Christianity? Can't you guys just agree on 1 thing? It's a legitimate question....

[Mr_Blank]

So this thread is entirely ignoring the fact that atheism is a beleif. Christian ideaology, objectively, is not fact, it is a beleif. It’s the same way ALL religions are. So, atheism can be the product of two things (most of the time) either that person has never heard of Christ and didn’t get into the customs of Christianity before they passed away, or that person does know Christ, and does not beleive those things.

I am beyond sick of people saying “why can’t X live without Y when it comes to religions, yes there is evidence of these religions existing and matching timelines within holy texts, but objectively the only thing people have to know that good is real, is faith. Therefore atheists are not living life knowing they’re going to go to hell, because they don’t believe that.

As a Christian myself, and although it’s not my place to judge or tell you what to do, I think you need a refresher on how to spread the news to other people, because this ain’t it.

[Grynn]

Eternity is a long time, forever even. Knowing this, how can christians follow a god that promises eternal punishment to those who won't do what he says? Theres an ugly word for people like that.

Even if you did unspeakable things all your life it still doesn't justify an eternal afterlife of pain, just like doing only good your whole life means you get an afterlife of joy.
It just means you care more about the afterlife than the one you're currently living in. Atheists at least live in the moment, people who believe in an afterlife do not.

Atheists appreciate life far more than any christian ever could because they're open to the idea that theres nothing beyond this life. This is all there is. There is no more. One day you'll lose all your friends and loved ones. All the experiences you've had and memories you've made will be dust in the wind. So enjoy it while it lasts. Which sounds far more reasonable than existing in a state of forever joy/pain.

Maybe, just maybe it's simply a way for religious leaders to control people? Could that be it? Follow our commands or eternal hell awaits? Hmm... It's almost like some religions use the fear of punishment as population control.

But with all that said; how do you know? The backbone of every religion is "just trust me, bro". Well, no, I wont trust you. You have nothing to back up anything you're saying, no religion does.

So, show me hell. Show it to me then we'll talk, but you wont because you know just as much as the rest of us; nothing.