Beards should be illegal at work.

[Zeno]

Beards should be illegal at work. Like in the good old 1930s and 1940s for example. It is unprofessional how many men nowadays wear a beard, this is especially unprofessional and unhygienic when they work with food or any other customer service area.

Same goes for clothes.

People nowadays do not resemble professionalism in appearance anymore to me.

Good old times when a man had to shave at least every other day to be accepted and appear at work are over now, nowadays everyone can spread their lice and hairs everywhere and no one is allowed to say anything.

If it was for me, I would ban facial hair completely at any work place involving customer and hygiene such as kitchen, restaurants, hospitals as well as schools and educational institutions. I would also illegalise beards for every government job without any exceptions unless someone can provide a serious letter written by a doctor saying they can't shave.

Just my opinion. This is entirely about hygiene, professionalism and showing some body hygiene. I can't see if someone washed their beard but I can see when someone had a clean shave.

BEARDS = TOXIC masculinity

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Originally posted by jargon:

professionalism is defined by the work conducted, not the clothing worn while doing it
it doesn't matter what you look like as long as you do the job right

Wrong. In some fields professionalism includes hygiene first and foremost as well as maintaining a polite attitude and body language.
A beard is not hygienic as hairs can fall off and provenly, bacteria infests the hair and skin plus it covers your facial expressions.

So no, wrong ! It does matter what you look like regarding your hair and how you dress.

You don't live in the real world man. If you go to a shop to buy a multi million dollar house or contract, you don't want to have someone sitting there wearing saggy pants and having a beard looking like a bum off the streets. You want a well mannered, polite, professional in a suit and a clean shave sit there and take care of your business.

I'd say you don't live in the real world.
Cause there are tons of professionals that have beards and don't even get me started on the ones who are very well upkept.

Professionalism isn't solely defined by your points either.
Professionalism by definition is just

the competence or skill expected of a professional.

Which I'll agree there can be more to that but a special forces soldier in the field who hasn't been able to shower in three weeks can still be considered a professional or am I wrong there?

I mean I EXPECT a professional to be well kept but I've seen way to many programmers, engineers, and other insanely well respected jobs where they had a beard and maintained EXPECTED standards for me to just conclude that beards are unprofessional.

This is more of a you thing overall.
I don't think we should change how things work solely based on your personal stance.

And there are world renowned chefs that have full/long beards....

[cassette]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Wrong. In some fields professionalism includes hygiene first and foremost as well as maintaining a polite attitude and body language.
A beard is not hygienic as hairs can fall off and provenly, bacteria infests the hair and skin plus it covers your facial expressions.

So no, wrong ! It does matter what you look like regarding your hair and how you dress.

You don't live in the real world man. If you go to a shop to buy a multi million dollar house or contract, you don't want to have someone sitting there wearing saggy pants and having a beard looking like a bum off the streets. You want a well mannered, polite, professional in a suit and a clean shave sit there and take care of your business.

I'd say you don't live in the real world.
Cause there are tons of professionals that have beards and don't even get me started on the ones who are very well upkept.

Professionalism isn't solely defined by your points either.
Professionalism by definition is just

the competence or skill expected of a professional.

Which I'll agree there can be more to that but a special forces soldier in the field who hasn't been able to shower in three weeks can still be considered a professional or am I wrong there?

I mean I EXPECT a professional to be well kept but if I've seen way to many programmers, engineers, and other insanely well respected jobs where they had a beard and maintained EXPECTED standards.

This is more of a you thing overall.
I don't think we should change how things work solely based on your personal stance.

the shaving standard doesn't even make sense for conventional soldiers, especially in garrison environments
you can get a proper gas mask seal even with half an inch of facial hair

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by jargon:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

I'd say you don't live in the real world.
Cause there are tons of professionals that have beards and don't even get me started on the ones who are very well upkept.

Professionalism isn't solely defined by your points either.
Professionalism by definition is just
Which I'll agree there can be more to that but a special forces soldier in the field who hasn't been able to shower in three weeks can still be considered a professional or am I wrong there?

I mean I EXPECT a professional to be well kept but if I've seen way to many programmers, engineers, and other insanely well respected jobs where they had a beard and maintained EXPECTED standards.

This is more of a you thing overall.
I don't think we should change how things work solely based on your personal stance.

the shaving standard doesn't even make sense for conventional soldiers, especially in garrison environments
you can get a proper gas mask seal even with half an inch of facial hair

Well, I don't make up the requirements for that, I was simply stating that a professional can still be a professional if they are unable to upkeep hygiene and still perform the assigned tasked.

By no means am I saying that works in every situation, but it was just a counter point overall.

[GunsForBucks]

Wow that is typical of modern dictionaries to define words using that word....

But basically being a "professional" only means you are being paid to do it, as opposed to an amateur. Like sports and the Olympics is supposed to be.

Your level of professionalism is how well you do at your paid job.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by jargon:

Originally posted by Seewolf:

You completely failed to understand my point.





Some jobs do. Perhaps the jobs you work in dont require that ?





LMAO

if it doesn't increase profit for the business, shaving is irrelevant to the business

Studies have proven that men with a clean shave are more succesful in business, means the company gets more profit.

I guess it is time to shave for you my friend.

Originally posted by GunsForBucks:

Originally posted by Seewolf:

You completely failed to understand my point.





Some jobs do. Perhaps the jobs you work in dont require that ?





LMAO

No I didn't

The king assumed long hair meant drug user, it looked bad in his country.
You assume long beard means dirty, it looks bad in your life.

You and the king both need to get over yourselves

It does look dirty and according to studies, is indeed more dirty than a clean shaven skin.

Originally posted by jargon:

if facial hair is a hygeine issue, every male and female head should be shaved bald like it's basic training
evidently facial hair is irrelevant

No. Facial hair is in the face, food goes in and out there.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Wrong. In some fields professionalism includes hygiene first and foremost as well as maintaining a polite attitude and body language.
A beard is not hygienic as hairs can fall off and provenly, bacteria infests the hair and skin plus it covers your facial expressions.

So no, wrong ! It does matter what you look like regarding your hair and how you dress.

You don't live in the real world man. If you go to a shop to buy a multi million dollar house or contract, you don't want to have someone sitting there wearing saggy pants and having a beard looking like a bum off the streets. You want a well mannered, polite, professional in a suit and a clean shave sit there and take care of your business.

I'd say you don't live in the real world.
Cause there are tons of professionals that have beards and don't even get me started on the ones who are very well upkept.

Professionalism isn't solely defined by your points either.
Professionalism by definition is just

the competence or skill expected of a professional.

Which I'll agree there can be more to that but a special forces soldier in the field who hasn't been able to shower in three weeks can still be considered a professional or am I wrong there?

I mean I EXPECT a professional to be well kept but I've seen way to many programmers, engineers, and other insanely well respected jobs where they had a beard and maintained EXPECTED standards for me to just conclude that beards are unprofessional.

This is more of a you thing overall.
I don't think we should change how things work solely based on your personal stance.

And there are world renowned chefs that have full/long beards....

You do not dispprove the points I have made by coming up with extreme situation examples or rare exceptions.

If you are a professional, resemble professionalism and shave, show how you maintain your body.

There is nothing such as a " you thing ". My position is thousands of years old and backed up by facts and evidence. Yours on the other hand is only a modern trend for people who are generally more on the lazy side and lack masculinity. Men who have a beard, resemble toxic masculinity.

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

I'd say you don't live in the real world.
Cause there are tons of professionals that have beards and don't even get me started on the ones who are very well upkept.

Professionalism isn't solely defined by your points either.
Professionalism by definition is just
Which I'll agree there can be more to that but a special forces soldier in the field who hasn't been able to shower in three weeks can still be considered a professional or am I wrong there?

I mean I EXPECT a professional to be well kept but I've seen way to many programmers, engineers, and other insanely well respected jobs where they had a beard and maintained EXPECTED standards for me to just conclude that beards are unprofessional.

This is more of a you thing overall.
I don't think we should change how things work solely based on your personal stance.

And there are world renowned chefs that have full/long beards....

You do not dispprove the points I have made by coming up with extreme situation examples or rare exceptions.

If you are a professional, resemble professionalism and shave, show how you maintain your body.

There is nothing such as a " you thing ". My position is thousands of years old and backed up by facts and evidence. Yours on the other hand is only a modern trend for people who are generally more on the lazy side and lack masculinity. Men who have a beard, resemble toxic masculinity.

If you say so.

Something to just disprove your stance though.
"thousands of years old and backed by facts and evidence", is that why history is covered with people who had beards?

Abraham Lincoln?
Pharaohs?
Confucius?

Stuff like

In ancient Greece, beards were seen as signs of virility and wisdom, often curling them with tongs.

Etc etc etc.

Sure. We are simply not going to agree.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

Originally posted by Seewolf:

You do not dispprove the points I have made by coming up with extreme situation examples or rare exceptions.

If you are a professional, resemble professionalism and shave, show how you maintain your body.

There is nothing such as a " you thing ". My position is thousands of years old and backed up by facts and evidence. Yours on the other hand is only a modern trend for people who are generally more on the lazy side and lack masculinity. Men who have a beard, resemble toxic masculinity.

If you say so.

I do, because all you do is come up with a conclusion... and another conclusion and another one, but no actual arguments or facts. Claiming that men who wear a beard are clean, is not an argument when I have scientific evidence on why this is not considered the way you claim.

Go back to elementary school and learn how to have a proper debate. So far you are just being emotional and support toxic masculinity since you hate women.

[cassette]

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Originally posted by jargon:

if it doesn't increase profit for the business, shaving is irrelevant to the business

Studies have proven that men with a clean shave are more succesful in business, means the company gets more profit.

I guess it is time to shave for you my friend.

companies naturally follow profit incentive
if there was a real causation between shaving and profit generation, most companies would mandate it
but they dont

when are you shaving your head in the name of hygeine?

[Boblin the Goblin]

I remember the SocialismNow account.

Just a heads up, changing your display name does not retroactively change it in previous posts you've made.

[SMIFFY]

I sweat toxic masculinity from every pore.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

If you say so.

I do, because all you do is come up with a conclusion... and another conclusion and another one, but no actual arguments or facts. Claiming that men who wear a beard are clean, is not an argument when I have scientific evidence on why this is not considered the way you claim.

Go back to elementary school and learn how to have a proper debate. So far you are just being emotional and support toxic masculinity since you hate women.

Okay there is no need to be toxic here, Seewolf.
So far you haven't even given us ONE "study" of the many studies you talk about.
You claim studies prove you right yet you are unable to provide even just one source which is already pretty fishy of you.

If what you say were true most companies would basically require people to shave their faces. You know how companies are, they want the biggest amount of money possible.

[(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★]

Originally posted by Seewolf:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

If you say so.

I do, because all you do is come up with a conclusion... and another conclusion and another one, but no actual arguments or facts. Claiming that men who wear a beard are clean, is not an argument when I have scientific evidence on why this is not considered the way you claim.

Go back to elementary school and learn how to have a proper debate. So far you are just being emotional and support toxic masculinity since you hate women.

So since you want facts and you state that beards are unprofessional we just going to rewrite history and say that important historical figures were simply not up to standard because of your personal beliefs on what is consider professional?

We going to ignore that products exist to specifically help with grooming, maintaining, and cleaning beards exists which because those products exist out right destroy your entire stance....

But I am the one who is emotional....
I said 'if you say so' because I already know you are choosing what facts are allowed and what aren't. I don't wish to argue with you because your stance is heavily opinionated, reinforced by some facts but absolutely leaving out other facts.

We are not going to agree.

[76561198356019466]

Originally posted by SMIFFY:

I sweat toxic masculinity from every pore.

I sweat mango juice
I have no idea why.

[GunsForBucks]

Do people really debate here?

Normally it is just people voicing opinions and dogs barking at walls.