The Gender Debate

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

All this "tomboy" talk in another thread got me to look up "tomgirl" and while the former has a plethora of information and images, the latter has a more limited side to the story.

So, let me get this straight (figure of speech), a girl that acts like a boy and plays with "boys toys" is far more accepted than a boy that acts like a girl and plays with "girls toys"?

I will allow you, OT, to debate this issue with solid facts, but let's leave the politics in the shadows.

Thank you for reading and responding. Have a lovely day/evening.

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WHO GIVES A ♥♥♥♥!?

[GunsForBucks]

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WHO GIVES A ♥♥♥♥!?

In one way it is interesting to see how language evolved to match the attitudes of society at the time.

Maybe shedding new light in how we think of current terms usage?

IDK I am sure someone could write a thesis on it if they wanted....

[Pocahawtness]

I have enough trouble managing my own life without trying to sort out someone else. If they want to believe they are a carrot, I really don't care.

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tomboy is a GIRL who wants to be Tom. obviously ron wants to know more.

tomgirl is ron's repressed transexual feelings, and forbidden to discuss.

Think it needs a better term... maybe a Bettyboy? Bettygirl?

I'm confused now

old cultures were better when it came to keeping this stuff out of the written language.

betty was an anachronism pushed in '36-45 due to rising literacy rates.

[Nülliflower]

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WHO GIVES A ♥♥♥♥!?

boys who wanna play with girl toys give a ♥♥♥♥. cuz their daddy wont let 'em and that makes them very Very SAD :(((

[permanent name]

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WHO GIVES A ♥♥♥♥!?

boys who wanna play with girl toys give a ♥♥♥♥. cuz their daddy wont let em and then they are very very SAD :(((

actually his grandfather, which is why he was making a point of fiddling with Explicitly For Boys toys when visiting him on his death bed. Nick just couldn't stand up to his dad and didn't really care who wore dresses as long as they had something worthy of the Knix name underneath.

running over his grandma was due to his brainenhancer.exe confusing her with his grandpa; sort of a projection of his gender confusion. also probably a way to get back at his grandpa. as far as I could tell the few ms where he was deciding to hit her covered both angles.

[𝓒𝓪𝓻𝓻𝓸𝓽 🥕]

society is weird.

I can wear boys clothes and nobody bats an eye or thinks I'm strange.

boy wears a dress and hes laughed at and ridiculed.

[GunsForBucks]

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society is weird.

I can wear boys clothes and nobody bats an eye or thinks I'm strange.

boy wears a dress and hes laughed at and ridiculed.

IDK the ones at the one trance club I went to a couple of times seemed to have an entourage of admirers following them around.

In the end, for either sex, I suppose it depends on how good they look.

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[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Girls are girls boys are boys what does the tomb mean?

[☎need4naiim☎]

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society is weird.

I can wear boys clothes and nobody bats an eye or thinks I'm strange.

boy wears a dress and hes laughed at and ridiculed.

Agreed.

We can see which side gets preferential treatment.

Where is equality?

Only in words, not in practice.

[metamec]

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Attitudes and experiences will undoubtedly vary based on location and upbringing, but yeah, I think you're right. Generally speaking tomboys don't face the stigma that effeminate boys do.

Perhaps today but the term has been in use for a long long time.
Back in the 50's most women didn't work. A young girl was expected to grow up lady like to attract a man. Being labeled a tomboy back then was pretty bad as seen by society in general.

Edit add - probably equal to today calling someone a thug <going to grow up badly>
Don't even know if thug means that anymore... aw man... anyone know a good modern term for that?

I'm not saying there is not nor was there ever a stigma associated with being a tomboy. Just that tomboys are not nor have ever been anywhere near as ridiculed on anything like the same scale as effeminate boys.

There are plenty of films, TV shows and comics going back a century which depict tomboys in a generally appealing light. Even if many of those portrayals leave audiences in awe or amusement of their ungirly behaviour, they appeal in a way that effeminate male characters do not. Indeed, the latter often only exist to be objects of derision.

I don't know what your experience of tomboys at school was, but at mine weaker girls (and sometimes even boys) would look to some of them for protection. Of course, many tomboys don't fit this physical stereotype. They just prefer to dress in a less feminine way or hang out with boys, and are no tougher or weaker than other girls their age. Effeminate boys on the other hand... most of them were bullied relentlessly.

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My pronouns are Yee/Haw

Not how pronouns work friend.

[deadshooter]

tomboy, tomgirl... tomcat still the best

[Z i o ⚡]

Tomboy isn't just about a girl who plays with boys toys but also does more boys things like adventurous things. Basically not a stay-at-home and thread-and-needle type of girl. Things are a lot different now, because even in homes we have different things to do, like computers. The boys clothes also goes with the more adventurous outdoors activities because it's easier to do things in pants than frilly dresses. For a boy to do the opposite might take more effort, and I think a boy that dresses in girls specific clothes stands out more.