Unity, You Absolute Morons

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

https://www.techradar.com/gaming/unitys-plans-to-charge-per-game-install-has-developers-begging-gamers-not-to-download-their-games

Someone in the board meeting went, "Okay guys, how do we make sure that we lose as much trust and market share as possible?"

I might add that since some recent Nintendo titles have been on Unity, this has them picking a fight with a particularly tight-fisted and litigious opponent.

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Unity and death threats. Gamers will never change.

"Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats"

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

[Табушка]

Some have mentioned install limits. Sounds like a good idea but when you consider that the devs will get charged for even pirated copies, which will not have an install limit then the idea falls apart. They even said in a faq "we will work with developers who were victims of piracy" which is corporate speak for "get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerd lol"

[Devsman]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Out Of Bubblegum:

Unity and death threats. Gamers will never change.

"Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats"

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

So, what are you intending here?
Either that's extremely poorly worded, or you're not thinking this through either.

You're saying / "implying" that's just something that "gamers" do.

Do you really find it productive to smear the entire demographic of a hobby that you, yourself, are a part of, over the actions of some individuals who responded to an inappropriate action with another inappropriate action?

What if you were actually significantly successful in that and every time you mentioned you play games in public or got labeled a gamer by others, that people would begin to berate and threaten you for being another one of those awful "death threat making gamers"?

Just like how responding to predatory pricing with death threats is not a productive or appropriate response, I don't think that responding to death threats by smearing an entire demographic is productive or appropriate either. In fact, I find it to be rather quite self-destructive, given that it's coming from someone from the same demographic.

Sounds like real life to me.

[Moogal™]

Ursprungligen skrivet av OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

One of my favorite 'accidents' of this thread is that all the people in here all "huhuhu I won't miss it!!1" have at least one Unity game in their top 10 lol

I admit i didn't know that some of my games were Unity based. But, to sum it for me: it is possible to make good games in this engine, but, unfortunately majority are cheap asset flips which adds nothing to game industry.

[fractalgem]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Out Of Bubblegum:

Unity and death threats. Gamers will never change.

"Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats"

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

The death threat apparently game from WITHIN UNITY.

So, unity is burning their credibility even further by trying to throw shade on gamers.

[Moogal™]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Moogal™:

I admit i didn't know that some of my games were Unity based. But, to sum it for me: it is possible to make good games in this engine, but, unfortunately majority are cheap asset flips which adds nothing to game industry.

That's going to be true about every engine, though, not just an engine that is the #1 most used engine that anywhere from 25% to 75% of all games on Steam are made in :
https://steamdb.info/tech/

Junk is the norm in any medium / form of production.

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As for how I got those numbers / percentages :

https://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=
"144,028 results match your search. 16,856 titles have been excluded based on your preferences."

There's over 150,000 games on Steam.
Only about 50,000 of them have had their engine indexed by Steam DB.
That's still quite impressive, though, because that's about 1/3 of them.

https://steamdb.info/tech/

So, there's some variable there for how many actually are made with which engines but even if we apply the 37,000 number to 150,000 games : at least 25% of all games on Steam are made in Unity. Potentially as many as 75% of all games on Steam.

If that 1/3 scales up then it's 75%.
If that 1/3 already accounts for all Unity games on Steam then it's 25%.

Well i assume that Unity is easier to use and therefore get more thrash games made then say Unreal Engine? Personally physics wise Unity seems bad imo. Good game devs make the best of it i suppose? 25% of games or more made in this engine makes sense to me tho.

[InfamousBozo]

The positive aspect is that we will now have fewer low-quality indie games in game subscriptions.

[Moogal™]

Ursprungligen skrivet av InfamousBozo:

The positive aspect is that we will now have fewer low-quality indie games in game subscriptions.

That is what i am thinking too.

[AD]

Some of my favorite games are Unity games... Dusk, Cultic, Kerbal Space Program...

And they are mostly indie devs who will suffer the most from this. Guess I will have to install them before this takes affect, or I may contribute to game devs getting ruined (I hope old installs wont count, will it?)

Ursprungligen skrivet av kilésengati:

This is unreal!

As I've said on the other thread, seek out an engine that actually lets you own your final product, like for example Godot:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/404790/Godot_Engine/
Alternatives are available.

Yeah, if I ever make a game, it will probably be with Godot.

Ursprungligen skrivet av InfamousBozo:

The positive aspect is that we will now have fewer low-quality indie games in game subscriptions.

Perhaps, or they switch to another engine. Time will tell I guess.

[Meove]

Ursprungligen skrivet av dumplingsoup:

Now a lot of you are saying "well, just use Unreal", it's not as easy to switch platforms as one might think. Almost every developer I know uses LOTS of different packages in their game to help with everything from visual assets, any game that uses networking will have some kind of package installed, there's state machines, and more. You'll likely not be able to have all of the same packages going from Unity to Unreal. Last point here is, Unreal uses C++ as their main language while Unity uses C#. It's very easy to go from Unreal/ C++ to Unity/ C#, but the reverse is MUCH harder and requires re-writing a lot of your code.

Finally someone pointing out this!!!

export any asset are easier (maybe not) because you can just drag n drop.... BUT coding!!! thats really hard. There is time where i already used to C#, then need to use LUA for Roblox development. When try to code new language, its pretty headache. there is limitation that only can been access for C#. the solution, i learn code from scratch again

[Yarr]

Ursprungligen skrivet av OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

Ursprungligen skrivet av GL-H:

That was the first thing I was thinking when I first heard about this!

Yeah I've also had that thought. But their current management has been around long enough that it would have to have been an extreme 'long game.'

Also, there's Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Does not have to be the management directly that is making all the bad decision on their own. There can be someone influencing the management that causes the bad decisions to be made. A good example from relatively recent history are game journos and SJW types. So in case Unity it may be something like a financial advisor giving bad advice after spending a year or 2 gaining trust of the management.

There can be much more sinister stuff going on within Unity that most workers at Unity are not even aware of like blackmail or deceptive contracts. There are constantly loopholes being created to gain control of all sorts of organizations.

[InfamousBozo]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏:

Ursprungligen skrivet av InfamousBozo:

The positive aspect is that we will now have fewer low-quality indie games in game subscriptions.

Only by consequence of having less games made overall.

If you outlaw the creation of video games altogether and actually enforce it then we will have ZERO low-quality indie games! :D: Problem solved!

Yeah, but that's never gonna happen. You know how many low-quality indie games get released on these services?

If you browse Reddit on any given game subscription release day, you'll see more complaints than a Karen at a restaurant. The indie dev shills don't have enough Reddit downvotes to hide all the complaints.

John Riccitiello is doing everyone a public service. He should be honored with a statue or a plaque.

[Yarr]

Supposedly Unity has achieved net-zero carbon emissions so there is no wonder they are out of money. That statement either a lie or majority of their budget goes into countering emissions. Its a tech company - net-zero carbon emissions?? Cmon, sir, is this a joke?

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Yarr:

Ursprungligen skrivet av OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

Yeah I've also had that thought. But their current management has been around long enough that it would have to have been an extreme 'long game.'

Also, there's Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Does not have to be the management directly that is making all the bad decision on their own. There can be someone influencing the management that causes the bad decisions to be made. A good example from relatively recent history are game journos and SJW types. So in case Unity it may be something like a financial advisor giving bad advice after spending a year or 2 gaining trust of the management.

There can be much more sinister stuff going on within Unity that most workers at Unity are not even aware of like blackmail or deceptive contracts. There are constantly loopholes being created to gain control of all sorts of organizations.

Honestly I don't think that idea holds any water, you're getting into conspiracy theory territory now.

This latest harebrained idea is 100% in line with a series of similar ideas that the Unity CEO has constantly come up with in every position he has held. Equally scummy and stupid schemes led to the eventual loss of his previous job at EA. (And I mean, when even EA thinks you're a sleazy moron...)

If anything the most likely scenario is that some of the insiders saw this coming, and didn't discourage it just so they could stock dump. There is no reason to believe it has anything to do with corporate sleeper agents lol

[Doomerang]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Out Of Bubblegum:

Unity and death threats. Gamers will never change.

"Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats"

https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/14/23873628/unity-death-threats-john-riccitiello

Wow, there goes any of your reliability. I don't think I can ever take any posts from you seriously ever again.

The age old trick. It's obvious someone can be wrong, so they claim some thinly veiled passive aggressive forum post as a legit threat and suddenly we have to agree with EVERY kind of corporate crap they are pushing.