Basque is overall a definitely endangered language

[Spiderman]

It is vulnerable in Spain, severely endangered in France, overall, definitely endangered

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Publicado originalmente por Triple G:

Publicado originalmente por Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Yeah, definitely, its all natural. Dictatorships, genocide, its all very natural processes. Humans come and humans disapear from the face of the planet, like all other species we are naturally exterminating in the Holocene. I expect we all speak one language, as we naturally aren't very different people, just natural blobs of consumerism. In fact, its all natural that I'm speaking this language I detest, considering how naturally our continent economies are sabboraged by the natural supremacist down North.

Yeah, *those* days of colonization sure were hell.

How much sense does it make to You, when You have a dialect in Your village, then a national language, which You need to go to school in the next town, at which You learn 1-3 more foreign languages, because international relationships? What´s that dialect those 3k people speak worth, when there´s no job to get with Your education - while the other languages are spoken by half of the world´s population? And there it doesn´t matter if it´s called dialect, or accent, or language, as it´s all about a different way to speak, or to name things. Nothing more - nothing less. And i don´t see the loss if there would be only one language as it simplifies things, while it has zero downsides.

That´s besides genocide, or dictatorship, or consumerism, because most people are about convenience, and can make decisions out of more or less objective reasons if there are any.

You, sir, are being incredibly racist/xenophobic.

Maybe it was convenient for you to be that way all of your life. Maybe your upbringing was all about "freeze peach" and you've never learned to put yourself in other peoples' shoes.

I won't waste my time explaining how each language carries cultural values, and how the way we organize as a society, the relationships we have with the world around us, shapes and is shaped by language in a mutual process.

No, you don't care about all that. You don't care about endangered peoples much less about endangered non-human species.

You don't understand your oppression is not "convenient" to others, neigther would you care to realize that.

You have no regards to anything or anyone besides yourself.

[Triple G]

Hmm - ok. So i asked about how much sense it makes to speak a language which the people themselves don´t want to speak - in a most neutral form and the answer is: i´m racist.

I asked about the benefits of a national identification compared to an individual identification, and the answer is basically, because basque is better than Spanish - or in other words: for the sake of it, it´s a benefit. I could add racism here, but won´t...

Thanks for both answers - i wish You all the best. ;o)

[Gtkp_]

Publicado originalmente por Triple G:

Hmm - ok. So i asked about how much sense it makes to speak a language which the people themselves don´t want to speak - in a most neutral form and the answer is: i´m racist.

I asked about the benefits of a national identification compared to an individual identification, and the answer is basically, because basque is better than Spanish - or in other words: for the sake of it, it´s a benefit. I could add racism here, but won´t...

Thanks for both answers - i wish You all the best. ;o)

I get what you mean but I don't think Basques don't want to speak it and assimilating them wont help the cause of individuality, it would just end a culture that is just as beautiful as Spanish.

You did ask a pretty good question though. It would be good if we lived in a world where ethnicity/background/language doesn't negatively contribute to the world, but today it also contributes positively. Organic diversity (and not the mass migration of people into Europe like today) is important for keeping governments transparent, exchanging ideas and can often even contribute to bringing peace in a society. If you want I can elaborate further, but for now I wont bother you with a wall of text.

[Spiderman]

Publicado originalmente por Varsik:

They mostly speak spanish anyways right?
I think we can all agree there isnt any point learning it, thus useless language

Its kinda like icelandic, but at least people on iceland speak it...

More like Irish, correct me if I'm wrong

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Publicado originalmente por Triple G:

Hmm - ok. So i asked about how much sense it makes to speak a language which the people themselves don´t want to speak - in a most neutral form and the answer is: i´m racist.

I asked about the benefits of a national identification compared to an individual identification, and the answer is basically, because basque is better than Spanish - or in other words: for the sake of it, it´s a benefit. I could add racism here, but won´t...

Thanks for both answers - i wish You all the best. ;o)

Yeah, don't pretend you haven't said anything racist and xenophobic. Your view of the world clearly is those things. Who said that peoples don't want speak their own language? You are the only one implying it.

Publicado originalmente por Triple G:

And there it doesn´t matter if it´s called dialect, or accent, or language, as it´s all about a different way to speak, or to name things. Nothing more - nothing less. And i don´t see the loss if there would be only one language as it simplifies things, while it has zero downsides.

Even if I interpret the first part to be just a general misunderstanding of languages and cultures by someone who has never left their bubble, the second part is as racist/supremacist as it can get:
zero downsides to extinguishing all diversity, whole cultures, whole languages in favour of a single one??

You shouldn't be allowed in the public. There are people taken away from society for stealing bread and here you are, freely typing your supremacist beliefs.

Publicado originalmente por Triple G:

while the other languages are spoken by half of the world´s population?

That´s besides genocide, or dictatorship, or consumerism, because most people are about convenience, and can make decisions out of more or less objective reasons if there are any.

Yeah, what mechanism do you supose makes me and so many people write and speak in this odious language?

Colonization is happening now, through other, more perverse, mechanisms. And I can't think you are being ignorant and not deliberately xenophobic anymore.

[Tsubame ⭐]

Language extinction is common wherever there is a strong lingua franca required to master to do any living in that location. Even if it does not occur, it loses prestige and people slowly lose mastery of the language - i.e. more people learning it as a second language.

Not just basque, tons of other languages. Irish, Welsh and Scottish in the UK, for example.

There are thousands of languages facing real danger or certain extinction in across the world, especially native languages in the Americas, in Africa, and South Asia. In fact, by 2050, over 90% of currently spoken languages will be extinct.

[Anosmyk]

Publicado originalmente por Triple G:

It´s just natural. Languages developed when people went different ways, and the languages disappear, when people are more connected. I except that one day we will speak one language, as everything else is not necessary, it´s an unneeded and counter-productive barrier. And languages/dialects/accents disappear since the days of colonization. I´m actually unsure how many, but a few thousands.

This is very true, it saddens my heart though that old languages are going extinct they have a lot of history. History we shouldn’t ever forget even when it goes extinct. It brings a lot of culture. It’s what makes people unique with there voice.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

Language extinction is common wherever there is a strong lingua franca required to master to do any living in that location. Even if it does not occur, it loses prestige and people slowly lose mastery of the language - i.e. more people learning it as a second language.

Not just basque, tons of other languages. Irish, Welsh and Scottish in the UK, for example.

There are thousands of languages facing real danger or certain extinction in across the world, especially native languages in the Americas, in Africa, and South Asia. In fact, by 2050, over 90% of currently spoken languages will be extinct.

1) America, nor Americas.
2) Why are you proclaiming their death?
3) We should encourage resistance and diversity, not just say "well, it happens..."

[Tsubame ⭐]

Publicado originalmente por Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

Language extinction is common wherever there is a strong lingua franca required to master to do any living in that location. Even if it does not occur, it loses prestige and people slowly lose mastery of the language - i.e. more people learning it as a second language.

Not just basque, tons of other languages. Irish, Welsh and Scottish in the UK, for example.

There are thousands of languages facing real danger or certain extinction in across the world, especially native languages in the Americas, in Africa, and South Asia. In fact, by 2050, over 90% of currently spoken languages will be extinct.

1) America, nor Americas.
2) Why are you proclaiming their death?
3) We should encourage resistance and diversity, not just say "well, it happens..."

1) That is the way it is in English. Want it or not, "America" in English refers to the USA. I know this is not the case in Portuguese or Spanish, but this is an English-based forum.

2) The 90% are estimates from a study. Of course we have no crystal ball to predict whether or not that will occur, but the fact is that many languages are indeed close to or certainly already dying off, even as of today.

3) That is up to people to decide. And unfortunately, it is a consequence of globalization and centralization. Even racially diverse countries like Brazil or the USA, have a very strong single language and opportunities for progression will be severely hindered if you do not speak the lingua franca.

This is even occurring in language diverse countries like China or India, where for political and/or economical reasons, increased use of a single or at most a couple of lingua francas - in this case, Mandarin and English/Hindi - is increasingly common across their entires countries.

[Candyy]

I visited Bilbao multiple times and I never heard anyone speaking euskera v:

However ,ppl study the language in schools there

And then there is a region next to it, Navarra, euskera is present there but even less common, also present on schools

Is very complicated language, I can understand why ppl are not interested, also that spanish is more versatile

At least on Barcelona and Girona when I visited them I saw ppl speaking catalá, without including my mom and granny who are from there and speak it with some friends v:

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

1) That is the way it is in English. Want it or not, "America" in English refers to the USA. I know this is not the case in Portuguese or Spanish, but this is an English-based forum.

No, it does not. I was forced into learning this language, and now its my own, too. I will not be educated on how to call my continent. We are majority here, its not right for Anglo-Saxans to be the default "Americans".

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

2) The 90% are estimates from a study. Of course we have no crystal ball to predict whether or not that will occur, but the fact is that many languages are indeed close to or certainly already dying off, even as of today.

Yeah, that's why resistance is what it is. People wont "conviently" die off, like the racist here suggested above. Its a hussle. People are fighting for their right to exist.

One thing we get a lot here:
People research trees, medicines, birds, worms, etc by asking local peoples, learning from them, then they present them to the world not in the language of those ethnicities, not in the lingua franca for native peoples, not even in Portuguese, but in English.

Why the hell is the language of devastation the language we have to present whats ours?

If one wants lucrative deals, they learn Mandarim. There are people in Apple and major corporations speaking Mandarim.

Why is the language of ecology not Brazilian Portuguese, at least?

And foreigners don't know this, but Brazilian Portuguese has got like 3 times the words of other Portugueses, as it is a language mixed with many others.

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

3) That is up to people to decide. And unfortunately, it is a consequence of globalization and centralization. Even racially diverse countries like Brazil or the USA, have a very strong single language and opportunities for progression will be severely hindered if you do not speak the lingua franca.

This is even occurring in language diverse countries like China or India, where for political and/or economical reasons, use of Mandarin and English is increasingly common across their entires countries.

Yes, and Spanish is the most speaken language of America, yet, we have to accomodate the most racists among us. If it was "convenience", like Triple K here suggested, and not a violent, opressive process, we'd speak Spanish as lingua franca in America.

Also, as violent as Spanish and Portuguese colonization is remembered, we still have many ethnicities alive. People in each state of Brazil are very different from all other states. There are ethnicities here more distant than all of Europeans among them.

Anglo-Saxan colonization, on the other hand, is not remembered. The ethnicities and languages on the north of the continent just "conveniently" disapeared! Its quite magical how people scream:

"I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HATE ENGLISH LEAVE US THE ♥♥♥♥ ALONE COLONIZING PIECE OF CRAP! STOP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ UP THE WHOLE PLANET AND PROVOKING WARS EVERYWHERE!"

And still not be heard. They say we don't want to exist and nothing is lost if our whole culture disapears.

I guess I have to accept the oppressor, right? He must be right about *my* will, right?
In fact, I'm not even here.

[Varsik]

Publicado originalmente por Zymro:

Publicado originalmente por Varsik:

They mostly speak spanish anyways right?
I think we can all agree there isnt any point learning it, thus useless language

Its kinda like icelandic, but at least people on iceland speak it...

More like Irish, correct me if I'm wrong

Lol true, I forgot completly about that language

[Spiderman]

Publicado originalmente por Varsik:

Publicado originalmente por Zymro:

More like Irish, correct me if I'm wrong

Lol true, I forgot completly about that language

Edit: According to recent studies, there have actually been increases of the Irish language

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

I am not sure why your focus in "Anglo-Saxon colonianism" when Brazil - from your profile name I am assuming you are from there - is hardly any different from the US, in this regards, in fact, worse than the US nowadays. "Descobrimento do Brasil", major expansion towards the west, single dominant language - Portuguese is officially the national language, unlike the US, which does not have an official language at federal level - supression of Native rights, languages and culture that continue to this day, etc. Similar situation for other Latin American countries.

I've written quite a few reasons. There are over 100 langauges still alive in Brazil. There are peoples still alive. What happened to the natives in the US? Why are they not even depicted in History and art, and whey they are, they are savages being killed by the "good guys"?

Your country is right now sabbotaging mine, burning our libraries, destroying our Democracy. You are a racist evil human being for not recognizing the harm *you* are causing me.

Are we speaking Portuguese now, racist creep?

Supremacist people think their neocolonization is just so natural.

Your pepper on our eyes looks like a refreshment to you.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Publicado originalmente por Tsubame ⭐:

3) I am not sure why your focus in "Anglo-Saxon colonianism" when Brazil - from your profile name I am assuming you are from there - is hardly any different from the US, in this regards, in fact, worse than the US nowadays. "Descobrimento do Brasil", major expansion towards the west, single dominant language - Portuguese is officially the national language, unlike the US, which does not have an official language at federal level - supression of Native rights, languages and culture that continue to this day, etc. Similar situation for other Latin American countries.

Search how many wars and dictatorships US have inflicted in America in the last 100 years.

Racist, supremacist piece of garbage pointing fingers at the people you kill.

We are *American* countries, chauvistic bigot. You can at least respect me as I've already stated this.