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Nekoborg 2023 年 5 月 28 日 下午 3:04
Opinions On The Bud Light Controversy
What are your opinions about the Bud Light controversy?

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Ulfrinn 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:04 
引用自 Azza ☠
引用自 Ulfrinn

If you were generally curious, and not attempting to flame bait for what you've admitted to be your own entertainment, then you would have asked an honest question, and not a clearly loaded, rhetorical one.

Well I personally don't believe there is a genuine logical reason to be given without being backed by some transphobia, hate/discrimination or puppet on a string following of another, however correct me if I'm wrong?

Let me give you a little piece of my background knowledge on the topic.

Starting from a server host provider called Epik (which is now under FBI investigation for money laundering and fraud) came a Neo-Nazi group which spread anti-transgender propaganda, triggered around June being "Pride Month". If you didn't know, Hilter was very transphobic and most Neo-Nazis follow in the same behaviour.

Pride Month is a time for companies to show their support towards the LGBTQ and all the bigots to reveal themselves just like a scam-bait.

The Target boycott was disinformation spread by them upon Twitter, which became viral and even promoted by Elon Musk himself. In reality, Target's transgender line is adult-only products and are not for children as they claimed. They were never a problem before, until now. There was actual bomb and death threats sent in towards the Target employees to prevent them from supplying LGBTQ products. Others encouraged by smear and fear tactics to mob mentality against it too. The justification is that no one would purchase those products anyways, which is an illogical reason for it affecting themselves.

The same deal happened with Trump and Kid Rock's actions against the transgenders, etc.

This extreme trigger also triggered a bounce back reaction as a result. You end up with two sides of the extremes, one being in retaliation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uMWKPdnPA

Hense why I believe it's a bunch of puppets on a string following cult behaviour...

Now do you care to explain your own side and point of views?

You accuse them of hatred, discrimination, bigotry, and transphobia, but have you ever spoke to any of them? Have you asked any of them? If you're making these assumptions, it says a lot about you, not so much about them. It shows you're interested in making up a narrative that makes them look worse, in order to make your own position look better, but how many of them have you spoken to? And how much effort do you think it takes for them to simply buy a different brand of beer?

"Pride month" isn't an official holiday. Companies don't have to support it, many gay people don't. Even a lot of transgenders don't because it's a political movement. Do the ones who don't celebrate pride month, or support LGBTQ agendas not deserve representation? Or do only the ones who support the divisive political movement deserve it?

You're picking and choosing based on politics, and maybe, just maybe some people don't agree with you on politics, and don't want to see completely unrelated companies become political in a desperate, and frankly, sad attempt to pander to special interest groups. And let's be honest. If they cared about your little movement, and weren't just making statements they believed were going to get them more money, then ask yourself, why haven't they come out and defended the individual at the center of it all? Why did they simply step back and act like they didn't do anything?
最后由 Ulfrinn 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:07
Azza ☠ 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:07 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Azza ☠

Well I personally don't believe there is a genuine logical reason to be given without being backed by some transphobia, hate/discrimination or puppet on a string following of another, however correct me if I'm wrong?

Let me give you a little piece of my background knowledge on the topic.

Starting from a server host provider called Epik (which is now under FBI investigation for money laundering and fraud) came a Neo-Nazi group which spread anti-transgender propaganda, triggered around June being "Pride Month". If you didn't know, Hilter was very transphobic and most Neo-Nazis follow in the same behaviour.

Pride Month is a time for companies to show their support towards the LGBTQ and all the bigots to reveal themselves just like a scam-bait.

The Target boycott was disinformation spread by them upon Twitter, which became viral and even promoted by Elon Musk himself. In reality, Target's transgender line is adult-only products and are not for children as they claimed. They were never a problem before, until now. There was actual bomb and death threats sent in towards the Target employees to prevent them from supplying LGBTQ products. Others encouraged by smear and fear tactics to mob mentality against it too. The justification is that no one would purchase those products anyways, which is an illogical reason for it affecting themselves.

The same deal happened with Trump and Kid Rock's actions against the transgenders, etc.

This extreme trigger also triggered a bounce back reaction as a result. You end up with two sides of the extremes, one being in retaliation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uMWKPdnPA

Hense why I believe it's a bunch of puppets on a string following cult behaviour...

Now do you care to explain your own side and point of views?

You accuse them of hatred, discrimination, bigotry, and transphobia, but have you ever spoke to any of them? Have you asked any of them? If you're making these assumptions, it says a lot about you, not so much about them. It shows you're interested in making up a narrative that makes them look worse, in order to make your own position look better, but how many of them have you spoken to? And how much effort do you think it takes for them to simply buy a different brand of beer?

What do you think I'm doing now? Just wasting my own time?

As for the Bud Light boycott... In early April, Bud Light sent an influencer named Dylan Mulvaney a handful of beers. As a result, the transgender posted a video using the beers to celebrate March Madness. One of the cans featured her image. Part of a paid sponsorship deal / promotion in which people could win $15,000 from Bud Light for sending a video of themselves carrying the beers.

People got mad by this, just due to Dylan Mulvaney being a transgender. Kid Rock and Travis Tritt got in on the transphobic act and started boycotting the beer, which some of their diehard fans will follow them like puppets.

It's a mob mentality of puppets on a string. Correct me where I must be wrong?

Isn't this just a bunch of rage out about how beer is meant to be manly and hot chicks are meant to advertise it to attract in the younger audience into becoming future alcoholics? OMG, I can't drink a drink because someone held it! Please tell me it's not some kind of pathetic joke?
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:10
Your_White_Knight 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:11 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Azza ☠

No, I'm actually curious... it's a question to clarify.

What's the real reason? And how am I name calling or using derogatory slurs? It's behaviour I'm mocking, not any individuals. Even Kid Rock, I like his music, but his behaviour about all this is completely out of wack for me to logically understand his reasoning and has me want to dig to find out what's really ticking around in his head.

I don't believe I will change their minds, but that's not the point. I like logic and reason, at least some kind of purpose.

If you were generally curious, and not attempting to flame bait for what you've admitted to be your own entertainment, then you would have asked an honest question, and not a clearly loaded, rhetorical one.

Pretty much...

Not only that... but not agreeing with the logic / reason / purpose doesn't mean it's not valid..

They like to say "yes, but why?" over and over refusing to see the logic / reason / purpose just because they don't like the answers... the answers are the answers if they like it or not.
Ulfrinn 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:12 
引用自 Azza ☠
引用自 Ulfrinn

You accuse them of hatred, discrimination, bigotry, and transphobia, but have you ever spoke to any of them? Have you asked any of them? If you're making these assumptions, it says a lot about you, not so much about them. It shows you're interested in making up a narrative that makes them look worse, in order to make your own position look better, but how many of them have you spoken to? And how much effort do you think it takes for them to simply buy a different brand of beer?

What do you think I'm doing now? Just wasting my own time?

As for the Bud Light boycott... In early April, Bud Light sent an influencer named Dylan Mulvaney a handful of beers. As a result, the transgender posted a video using the beers to celebrate March Madness. One of the cans featured her image. Part of a paid sponsorship deal / promotion in which people could win $15,000 from Bud Light for sending a video of themselves carrying the beers.

People got mad by this, just due to Dylan Mulvaney being a transgender. Kid Rock and Travis Tritt got in on the transphobic act and started boycotting the beer, which some of their diehard fans will follow them like puppets.

It's a mob mentality of puppets on a string. Correct me where I must be wrong?

Isn't this just a bunch of rage out about how beer is meant to be manly and hot chicks are meant to advertise it to attract in the younger audience into becoming future alcoholics? OMG, I can't drink a drink because someone held it! Please tell me it's not some kind of pathetic joke?

I think you are doing exactly what you admitted to doing earlier.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question though. If these companies actually cared, and weren't just pandering, why hasn't Bud Light come out in support of, and defend their decision? Why has every post, every message, and every advertisement of theirs since been an attempt to pretend it didn't happen?
Azza ☠ 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:16 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Azza ☠

What do you think I'm doing now? Just wasting my own time?

As for the Bud Light boycott... In early April, Bud Light sent an influencer named Dylan Mulvaney a handful of beers. As a result, the transgender posted a video using the beers to celebrate March Madness. One of the cans featured her image. Part of a paid sponsorship deal / promotion in which people could win $15,000 from Bud Light for sending a video of themselves carrying the beers.

People got mad by this, just due to Dylan Mulvaney being a transgender. Kid Rock and Travis Tritt got in on the transphobic act and started boycotting the beer, which some of their diehard fans will follow them like puppets.

It's a mob mentality of puppets on a string. Correct me where I must be wrong?

Isn't this just a bunch of rage out about how beer is meant to be manly and hot chicks are meant to advertise it to attract in the younger audience into becoming future alcoholics? OMG, I can't drink a drink because someone held it! Please tell me it's not some kind of pathetic joke?

I think you are doing exactly what you admitted to doing earlier.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question though. If these companies actually cared, and weren't just pandering, why hasn't Bud Light come out in support of, and defend their decision? Why has every post, every message, and every advertisement of theirs since been an attempt to pretend it didn't happen?

Oh I did answer that question... but rather in regards to Target (which the same pattern occurred).

The two marketing executives of Bud Light had faced backlash and death threats for working with Mulvaney. There was also bomb threats towards the company.

Fake or not, companies will take first priority in protecting their own employees, while in the backend there's a police investigation upon who made those threats.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:17
xAlphaStarOmegax 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:20 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Azza ☠

Well I personally don't believe there is a genuine logical reason to be given without being backed by some transphobia, hate/discrimination or puppet on a string following of another, however correct me if I'm wrong?

Let me give you a little piece of my background knowledge on the topic.

Starting from a server host provider called Epik (which is now under FBI investigation for money laundering and fraud) came a Neo-Nazi group which spread anti-transgender propaganda, triggered around June being "Pride Month". If you didn't know, Hilter was very transphobic and most Neo-Nazis follow in the same behaviour.

Pride Month is a time for companies to show their support towards the LGBTQ and all the bigots to reveal themselves just like a scam-bait.

The Target boycott was disinformation spread by them upon Twitter, which became viral and even promoted by Elon Musk himself. In reality, Target's transgender line is adult-only products and are not for children as they claimed. They were never a problem before, until now. There was actual bomb and death threats sent in towards the Target employees to prevent them from supplying LGBTQ products. Others encouraged by smear and fear tactics to mob mentality against it too. The justification is that no one would purchase those products anyways, which is an illogical reason for it affecting themselves.

The same deal happened with Trump and Kid Rock's actions against the transgenders, etc.

This extreme trigger also triggered a bounce back reaction as a result. You end up with two sides of the extremes, one being in retaliation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9uMWKPdnPA

Hense why I believe it's a bunch of puppets on a string following cult behaviour...

Now do you care to explain your own side and point of views?

You accuse them of hatred, discrimination, bigotry, and transphobia, but have you ever spoke to any of them? Have you asked any of them? If you're making these assumptions, it says a lot about you, not so much about them. It shows you're interested in making up a narrative that makes them look worse, in order to make your own position look better, but how many of them have you spoken to? And how much effort do you think it takes for them to simply buy a different brand of beer?

"Pride month" isn't an official holiday. Companies don't have to support it, many gay people don't. Even a lot of transgenders don't because it's a political movement. Do the ones who don't celebrate pride month, or support LGBTQ agendas not deserve representation? Or do only the ones who support the divisive political movement deserve it?

You're picking and choosing based on politics, and maybe, just maybe some people don't agree with you on politics, and don't want to see completely unrelated companies become political in a desperate, and frankly, sad attempt to pander to special interest groups. And let's be honest. If they cared about your little movement, and weren't just making statements they believed were going to get them more money, then ask yourself, why haven't they come out and defended the individual at the center of it all? Why did they simply step back and act like they didn't do anything?
Very well said.
Ulfrinn 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:23 
引用自 Azza ☠
引用自 Ulfrinn

I think you are doing exactly what you admitted to doing earlier.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question though. If these companies actually cared, and weren't just pandering, why hasn't Bud Light come out in support of, and defend their decision? Why has every post, every message, and every advertisement of theirs since been an attempt to pretend it didn't happen?

Oh I did answer that question... but rather in regards to Target (which the same pattern occurred).

The two marketing executives of Bud Light had faced backlash and death threats for working with Mulvaney. There was also bomb threats towards the company.

Fake or not, companies will take first priority in protecting their own employees, while in the backend there's a police investigation upon who made those threats.

They could release a Twitter statement and nobody would know who wrote it. They don't have to put anyone's name on anything and could show support. They choose not to, because feigning support suddenly become unprofitable.

It's no different than you people thinking Disney is on your side and cares about your issues, but scrubs all images of Finn from the posters in order to earn more money in China.

Pandering is not caring, it's politics and profit.
Dom 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:29 
People have the freedom to boycott and protest. But I have freedom of speech to say that their boycott/protest is fueled by bigotry and hatred. They saw trans representation and decided that the product is not worth their money precisely because of that reason. They don't see trans people as people who should have the same rights and worth in our society. Plain and simple. This isn't about making "assumptions". Logical conclusions where all points lead to one and the same direction are not assumptions, and conclusions which are based on facts are not assumptions either.
Ulfrinn 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:32 
引用自 Dom
People have the freedom to boycott and protest. But I have freedom of speech to say that their boycott/protest is fueled by bigotry and hatred. They saw trans representation and decided that the product is not worth their money precisely because of that reason. They don't see trans people as people who should have the same rights and worth in our society. Plain and simple. This isn't about making "assumptions". Logical conclusions where all points lead to one and the same direction are not assumptions, and conclusions which are based on facts are not assumptions either.

...And then you made the mental leap of deciding they don't think transgendered people are people who shouldn't have rights. That's a baseless and inflammatory accusation.
Dom 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:34 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Dom
People have the freedom to boycott and protest. But I have freedom of speech to say that their boycott/protest is fueled by bigotry and hatred. They saw trans representation and decided that the product is not worth their money precisely because of that reason. They don't see trans people as people who should have the same rights and worth in our society. Plain and simple. This isn't about making "assumptions". Logical conclusions where all points lead to one and the same direction are not assumptions, and conclusions which are based on facts are not assumptions either.

...And then you made the mental leap of deciding they don't think transgendered people are people who shouldn't have rights. That's a baseless and inflammatory accusation.
You misread. I didn't say they think trans people shouldn't have rights, I said they don't believe they should have the same (equal) rights. As in, they are worth less as people to them.
Your_White_Knight 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:46 
引用自 Azza ☠

Oh I did answer that question... but rather in regards to Target (which the same pattern occurred).

The two marketing executives of Bud Light had faced backlash and death threats for working with Mulvaney. There was also bomb threats towards the company.

Fake or not, companies will take first priority in protecting their own employees, while in the backend there's a police investigation upon who made those threats.

Talks about "logic / reason / purpose" what about truth?

The threats towards the company ( Target & Budweiser ) was ~also~ "PRO" people because Target took some displays down and backed off of what they were doing, and Budweiser for not keeping up with the advertising and even trying to retro advertising... you're trying to confuse people into thinking it was just and only one side that was doing it... when it was both.

The logic, reason, purpose and TRUTH of the matter is it wasn't all "anti" protesters that did that.

And yes... the police will and have looked into it... time you do as well about who really made those threats and not putting out fake information trying to skew the story in your favor...

But that would be using logic and reason...

引用自 Ulfrinn
...It's no different than you people thinking Disney is on your side and cares about your issues, but scrubs all images of Finn from the posters in order to earn more money in China.

Pandering is not caring, it's politics and profit.

Agree... and they only pander in certain parts of the world in certain months... it's only for money
Ulfrinn 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:52 
引用自 Dom
引用自 Ulfrinn

...And then you made the mental leap of deciding they don't think transgendered people are people who shouldn't have rights. That's a baseless and inflammatory accusation.
You misread. I didn't say they think trans people shouldn't have rights, I said they don't believe they should have the same (equal) rights. As in, they are worth less as people to them.

And which rights are those that you believe do not apply to them?
Azza ☠ 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 12:58 
引用自 Your_White_Knight
引用自 Azza ☠

Oh I did answer that question... but rather in regards to Target (which the same pattern occurred).

The two marketing executives of Bud Light had faced backlash and death threats for working with Mulvaney. There was also bomb threats towards the company.

Fake or not, companies will take first priority in protecting their own employees, while in the backend there's a police investigation upon who made those threats.

Talks about "logic / reason / purpose" what about truth?

The threats towards the company ( Target & Budweiser ) was ~also~ "PRO" people because Target took some displays down and backed off of what they were doing, and Budweiser for not keeping up with the advertising and even trying to retro advertising... you're trying to confuse people into thinking it was just and only one side that was doing it... when it was both.

The logic, reason, purpose and TRUTH of the matter is it wasn't all "anti" protesters that did that.

And yes... the police will and have looked into it... time you do as well about who really made those threats and not putting out fake information trying to skew the story in your favor...

But that would be using logic and reason...

引用自 Ulfrinn
...It's no different than you people thinking Disney is on your side and cares about your issues, but scrubs all images of Finn from the posters in order to earn more money in China.

Pandering is not caring, it's politics and profit.

Agree... and they only pander in certain parts of the world in certain months... it's only for money

The "TRUTH" is an actions and reaction bounce back effect.

It was started by a group of transphobic individuals sending in death and bomb threats towards not only the transgender but also the company and it's employees. Hense why the two managing directors went on leave.

Afterwards both Target and Bud Light (which had received firstly transphobic threats) had been later criticized by some members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community, due to this (dropping the LGBTQ products due to those threats and considering safety more important). A few might of considered copying the same actions (or it was faked/staged by their side). However, both are under investigation as a result.

Sure, two wrongs don't make a right. However, you need to first dig down to the root cause, and not just see the ripple effects from that.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:10
Ulfrinn 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:16 
引用自 Azza ☠
引用自 Your_White_Knight

Talks about "logic / reason / purpose" what about truth?

The threats towards the company ( Target & Budweiser ) was ~also~ "PRO" people because Target took some displays down and backed off of what they were doing, and Budweiser for not keeping up with the advertising and even trying to retro advertising... you're trying to confuse people into thinking it was just and only one side that was doing it... when it was both.

The logic, reason, purpose and TRUTH of the matter is it wasn't all "anti" protesters that did that.

And yes... the police will and have looked into it... time you do as well about who really made those threats and not putting out fake information trying to skew the story in your favor...

But that would be using logic and reason...



Agree... and they only pander in certain parts of the world in certain months... it's only for money

The "TRUTH" is an actions and reaction bounce back effect.

It was started by a group of transphobic individuals sending in death and bomb threats towards not only the transgender but also the company and it's employees. Hense why the two managing directors went on leave.

Afterwards both Target and Bud Light (which had received firstly transphobic threats) had been later criticized by some members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community, due to this. A few might of considered copying the same actions (or it was faked/staged by their side). However, both are under investigation as a result.

Sure, two wrongs don't make a right. However, you need to first dig down to the root cause, and not just see the ripple effects from that.

So you're trying to tell me that a group of people, so non violent in their protests they don't even form a picket line, and protest by not buying a product, are making bomb threats and threats of violence? And the company is refusing to show their support because of that and not losing over $20 billion dollars and falling 14 places in the rankings? And you've confirmed these so-called threats were legitimate, and not someone trying to paint boycotters as being more dangerous than they actually are in an attempt to sell someone like you a narrative?

I'm calling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Those companies care about one thing, and one thing only. Profit. And you're all too happy to be their puppet because they said something once that they knew you wanted to hear.
最后由 Ulfrinn 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:17
Azza ☠ 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:21 
引用自 Ulfrinn
引用自 Azza ☠

The "TRUTH" is an actions and reaction bounce back effect.

It was started by a group of transphobic individuals sending in death and bomb threats towards not only the transgender but also the company and it's employees. Hense why the two managing directors went on leave.

Afterwards both Target and Bud Light (which had received firstly transphobic threats) had been later criticized by some members of the L.G.B.T.Q. community, due to this. A few might of considered copying the same actions (or it was faked/staged by their side). However, both are under investigation as a result.

Sure, two wrongs don't make a right. However, you need to first dig down to the root cause, and not just see the ripple effects from that.

So you're trying to tell me that a group of people, so non violent in their protests they don't even form a picket line, and protest by not buying a product, are making bomb threats and threats of violence? And the company is refusing to show their support because of that and not losing over $20 billion dollars and falling 14 places in the rankings? And you've confirmed these so-called threats were legitimate, and not someone trying to paint boycotters as being more dangerous than they actually are in an attempt to sell someone like you a narrative?

I'm calling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Those companies care about one thing, and one thing only. Profit. And you're all too happy to be their puppet because they said something once that they knew you wanted to hear.

No, I'm not saying all did that.

Rather just a certain few, which also tended to drive a mob mentality. That mob mentality caught on and went viral.

Consider Donald Trump and how all the puppet on a string diehard followers went off to riot at the US Capital on his behalf due to a blindsided fear and some misinformation. It's the same deal. Most people don't think logically, question or even have a reason for their own actions, rather they just follow that of others. Based upon the Milgram experiment as such, they follow authority figures without question (also famous celebrates, such as Kid Rock, etc). Jump on the bandwagon.

No one here has given me their own personal reason as to why yet... and I still don't think they have one.
最后由 Azza ☠ 编辑于; 2023 年 7 月 12 日 下午 1:26
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