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How do you believe the world was created?
Religiously I am not too sure what I would be considered, I wouldn't say I am Atheist because I want there to be an afterlife and heaven and stuff, but I can't for the life of me devote my life to beliefs that have little physical evidence and that requires faith in order to make sense, I just don't work that way. So maybe even if there is a heaven I won't make it in, but whatever I still hope it's there for my family.

But anyways the most plausible way I see the world being created based off stuff we know today, I believe that the universe was created via the big bang, it seems there is quite a lot of evidence to support this theory, I mean we know for a fact that the universe is expanding quite rapidly, how exactly did this start? Maybe it doesn't necessarily have to be the big bang but it's very likely that is what caused it. But that isn't the only supporting evidence for the big bang, there are other things that would help prove but I don't see the point of bringing them up here so I won't, if you're curious you can look it up yourself.

So now we explained how the universe could have came into being but how did life start? My theory for this is that life is just a chemical reaction that has a slight chance of occurring in nature. What exactly does this chemical reaction do exactly? Well it creates a self replicating RNA molecule, and from there billions of years later life can become what we see here on Earth today.

How does RNA even self replicate? Well normally RNA doesn't self replicate, it's only a very specific type that can, and it's only ever been created in a lab as far as we know, but despite this I do believe it could occur out in nature. But just the fact that it can exist is honestly good enough for me, if it can exist than more than likely in this mega-space we call our universe it should happen at least once. But I doubt it would only ever happen once, so I do also believe aliens are out there, because what are the chances this chemical reaction only occurred here on Earth.

But why would a self replicating RNA molecule be able to start life as we know it. Well that is where evolution comes into play. As time goes on the RNA becomes more and more complex to better help its needs of survival, eventually it becomes a multicellular organism and from there life blossoms.
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The way to look at time beginning and ending(as we know it) is time, space and gravity are all related. They are all required- and the definition of universes such as ours.

Black holes are merely a simple hole in the universe. If the universe was a sink, they are the drains. That is why when near them, the gravity becomes infinite and time slows and eventually stops at the event horizon.

Everything that falls though is lost to that universe but ends up getting recycled into future universes.

The very poorly named "big bangs" are a white hole. All that matter and energy that fell out of an old universe infuses new ones.

From the POV of that universe that is "in the beginning." That is when it's clock starts.

Likewise, when universes die then that is when it's clocks cease and everything gets recycled, and the process starts all over again...


Actually, the working theory is now that Black Holes MAY be responsible for the expansion of the universe: they convert matter and energy into spacetime. Some evidence of this is that the rate of expansion seems to fluctuate, as opposed to always increasing.

Yes- and probably visa-versa.

Plus it isn't a stretch(no pun intended) that if the absence of a universe is (a) singularity- then perhaps inflation could partially/fully be explained by expanding into an outwards singularity?

Edit:

Adding in the visual of changing the perspective.

Imagine blowing bubbles in a vacuum chamber. That is one way of viewing universes coming into being and expanding. When they pop, all the material just gets put back into the bubbler.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Apollo702; 30 Μαϊ 2023, 17:25
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Naru-sama v2.0:
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Fajita Jim:

Not difficult to explain. You'd need to know some deep history, though. How familiar are you with the actual beginnings of civilization? I'm talking Uruk, Ur, Akkad, ect.?

Not at all. I'm aware there are civilizations that predated the bible that had similar mythologies to Noah's flood as others pointed out in the past, but moreso that just leaves more questions on how the bible could get so much correct scientifically compared to other religions that draw inspiration from the same events but get so much horribly wrong.

Like Islam and Muhammad's claims that sperm is stored in the chest for example.

My point being, the bible seems to be the closest to recorded truth from the beginning of time as we know it.
Eh, its hit and miss when it comes to scientific info, same as every other holy book, and a lot of it tends to be ad-hoc interpretations of stuff, where people change their interpretation of a vague passage to fit when science changes, which means the passages in question have little predictive power to begin with.

For example, the bible was considered evidence that the earth is flat due to verses mentioning it "hanging" and having "corners" and whatnot back when that was the prevailing theory, but once the world was discovered to not be flat, the interpretation changed to fit it. That's not evidence of it being scientifically correct, that's refitting vague descriptions that could be attributed either way.

Another is the idea that thoughts and emotions come from the heart and not the brain, which is prevalent throughout the book. This was taken literally until biology caught up and figured out it was the brain that did that stuff, then suddenly the "heart" became metaphorical.

Then there's smaller nitpicks like the mustard seed not being the smallest seed, and the claim that "dragons" were actually referring to dinosaurs despite the description not fitting, and that the "fish" that swallowed jonah was actually a whale.

It does get some things right though, the order of stuff coming into existence in genesis is mostly right except for the whole "day and night without the sun" and the moon being a "light" in and of itself. It did pick up that there was stars, then the world went from mostly water to having land, then we went from sea creatures to land ones and birds, then people. And it did mention to quarantine the sick away from everyone else to prevent disease from spreading and had a few bits of proper hygiene instruction.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από King Narwhal; 30 Μαϊ 2023, 17:23
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Fajita Jim:

Not difficult to explain. You'd need to know some deep history, though. How familiar are you with the actual beginnings of civilization? I'm talking Uruk, Ur, Akkad, ect.?

Not at all. I'm aware there are civilizations that predated the bible that had similar mythologies to Noah's flood as others pointed out in the past, but moreso that just leaves more questions on how the bible could get so much correct scientifically compared to other religions that draw inspiration from the same events but get so much horribly wrong.

Like Islam and Muhammad's claims that sperm is stored in the chest for example.

My point being, the bible seems to be the closest to recorded truth from the beginning of time as we know it.

The Bible is actually a very late compilation from a lot of different sources. Then add in the whole made-up exile in Egypt just to confuse things.

To be clear, Southern Israel WAS enslaved by Egypt, but they never went to Egypt, they were enslaved in-place. The exile to Egypt was added later as the Canaanites became Jews so the Jews could say "We are not of these Canaanite people, we are foreigners who took this land of Canaan by Divine Right."

And that whole context was used to join a lot of disjointed books. Then they were all rewritten during to Deuteronomic Reform of Kong Josiah to reflect a monotheistic view, as before this point the text was polytheistic (some polytheistic verses still remain. Example: Psalm 82:6).

The Flood was real, but it isn't how you envision it. About 12,000 years ago the glaicers melted and receeded at the end of the last ice age. This rose the sea levels rapidly. At one point, it may have been rising at around 8 meters PER DAY.

Early human settlements were almost always near water, so this would have been catastrophic for our earliest societies. Where we pick up the story is in Uruk, the first real city humans ever built.

The Sumerians of Uruk tell us that a people fleeing a flood that swallowed their whole world taught them the trades of math, cultivation, engineering, law, and so on. Basically, they brought society with them.

Their language is what's known as a 'language isolate', meaning there's no other languages related to it. Whoever these people were, they fled a long way into a strange land, and there began our civilization.

So of course stories about a global flood persist all across the world: it happened! Just not the 40 days and 40 nights way.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από Fajita Jim; 30 Μαϊ 2023, 17:32
Plus the floods didn't have to be 100% global.

Generally, most consider the bronze age to have started right at the end of the last major ice age.

So imagine ancient people living in a fertile flood plain such as what is now the Persian Gulf.

The storms start, the wall of ice holding the rising oceans breaks and suddenly unimaginable volumes of water come rushing in!

To those people how could they have thought anything other than the "gods" were angry and the whole world was flooding?

To them that was the whole world!
You are a failure of a god if you need to rely on a collection of books written by multiple authors in ancient language hardly anyone speaks, and risk it being misinterpreted or misapplied by countless people over time, arguing over which books are canon or not and having Christian interpolations during the 6th century.

As history and science goes, the Bible fails on both counts. Its a shame so many good books were destroyed or lost, and yet this pile of dogmatic crap persists like a fart in an elevator that lingers forever.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από apathy:
You are a failure of a god

Exclaimed the furry.
Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από apathy:

Its a shame so many good books were destroyed or lost,

Have you ever read any of Lucian of Samosata? Great sci-fi writer, that fella.
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You are a failure of a god

Exclaimed the furry.
Your god belief created them.

Checkmate.
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Exclaimed the furry.
Your god belief created them.

Checkmate.

I'm a solipsist.
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You are a failure of a god

Exclaimed the furry.
Wait, furries think they are gods? I knew they were kinda weird, but this is a new level.
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Your god belief created them.

Checkmate.

I'm a solipsist.
Why are you imagining a conversation where you lose?
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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από TwisterCat:
Death may well not be the end. I'd be careful with that mentality, because if the God that supposedly said he were all-loving is false, we might just have one of the most sadistic and evil gods, as many claim we do. If that many people are saying it, it cannot be off the table if everything else is to be denied.

Well, you keep talking about mathematical odds...with over 2,000 extant religions, and may more no longer around, what are the chances that YOU, of all people, hit the bullseye?

Relax. There probably isn't a God. And if there is, and he judges us for being simple humans like he made us, then he's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, anyway.
God seems like an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in my eyes, the way people paint him just seems terrible. He's this guy who makes everything about you, your behaviors, your mindset, everything he supposedly gave to us and made it the exact way he wanted it or whatever, cause were all perfect or something. But then he has the right to just send people to hell, like ♥♥♥♥♥ you made that person the exact way they are and now you are punishing them for it? Like you have this big plan and one of the steps in your plan was to kill a bunch of babies with cancer? How does this achieve anything other than making yourself look like a douche? It's like if a really famous person went around punching babies in the face because supposedly it would help his career. Like that is just straight up ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up.
by God's own hands in 6 days before resting on the 7th
simple, unlike the 20 page long essays full of nothing but theoretical information. why do you complicate things so much when you'll just come to the same answer in the end?
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Plus the floods didn't have to be 100% global.

Generally, most consider the bronze age to have started right at the end of the last major ice age.

So imagine ancient people living in a fertile flood plain such as what is now the Persian Gulf.

The storms start, the wall of ice holding the rising oceans breaks and suddenly unimaginable volumes of water come rushing in!

To those people how could they have thought anything other than the "gods" were angry and the whole world was flooding?

To them that was the whole world!
Exactly, stories told back then hold no weight, back then sailors told stories about monsters that they saw on their journeys and that's how Greek Mythology was started. Back then most people believed cyclops and stuff like that actually live out in the world. Now those are nothing but myths, things that never existed. Things told back then are greatly exaggerated because those people didn't know what the hell was actually going on most of the time and they blamed it on a powerful being instead.
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Plus the floods didn't have to be 100% global.

Generally, most consider the bronze age to have started right at the end of the last major ice age.

So imagine ancient people living in a fertile flood plain such as what is now the Persian Gulf.

The storms start, the wall of ice holding the rising oceans breaks and suddenly unimaginable volumes of water come rushing in!

To those people how could they have thought anything other than the "gods" were angry and the whole world was flooding?

To them that was the whole world!
Exactly, stories told back then hold no weight, back then sailors told stories about monsters that they saw on their journeys and that's how Greek Mythology was started. Back then most people believed cyclops and stuff like that actually live out in the world. Now those are nothing but myths, things that never existed. Things told back then are greatly exaggerated because those people didn't know what the hell was actually going on most of the time and they blamed it on a powerful being instead.
Most of those stories can be summed up with the same "Idk, therefore gods/monsters/magic" fallacy that apologists use nowadays.
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