Why patriots tend to dislike their own country the most?

[Dom]

Something rather interesting I've noticed is that many people who claim to be 'patriots', tend to be the ones that dislike and criticize their own country the most. They criticize all the institutions of their own country, want everything to change, they think that their country's got it all wrong.

Yet, for some odd reason, they say they are patriots and "proud of their country" ?

I wonder why is that..? It doesn't really make sense to me. If a person truly is patriotic, and proud of their own country, it seems illogical that they would only find things to complain about about their country.

Or is it more like "I'm proud of the utopia inside my head as to what the country should be like" ? Because if that is the case, then one could definitely argue they're not really a patriot, or proud of the country in question.

What are your thoughts?

[Here is my card]

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 Dom：

I guess you can love something and be disappointed in that something.
But I don't know if it's possible, in most cases, to be both disappointed and proud, at the same time. Those feelings often tend to contradict each other.

You can be both proud and disappointed in someone/something.Just as a patriot can be proud of their country in general, but still disappointed in certain decisions the government makes.

You're trying to use your labelmaker too strict.

I concur with Tiger here. Saying, but there are a lot of people who find more to complain than to actually give credit for. In that case many people would question if their pride is actually reasonable, or perhaps it's fake. as a defense, is of course a way to generalize and undermine such insight but it doesn't make it so.

So is your "pride" as a definition, something that has to be 100 % perfect? No flaws at all. Or is it something... like when it is only 49 % something good and 51 % something bad, not good enough to be something to be proud of?

[Auckes]

Because patriots dislike the leadership of their country, whenever staining its good name/history/culture/heritage, by stoopid decisions, deception and injustice. Also, patriots like a great deal other countries that manage to keep it real and support them passionately, especially if they have been wronged, even by their own country('s leadership).

True patriots recognize the nobility in foreign patriots. Much like "progressives" of one place keep tightly in touch with progressives at other places. Everybody has their webs, connections, sympathies, antagonists etc, no?

[Dracoco OwO]

I have to assume by patriots you mean only americans because i don't think i know many that would say they are outside the US. They may have a vision of what the country should be like but they won't go out of their way saying they are patriots just peoples of the place. But i guess it's just semantics in the end.

[Goldias]

Because love makes them illogical.

No one should die for their country. Anyone who's a patriot is just blind by propaganda.

[Raoul]

引用自 Dom：

I have a somewhat different view, I think that if someone would like to completely change the direction of their country, then it seems very much contradictory that they would be proud of that country when you consider the current state of it.

And if you have a country that is, say, a heaven for ruling class or corporations, and you find that deeply immoral and something that truly goes against your values, yet the country keeps doing that year after year, I don't see logical conclusions for such person to be proud of their country.

Patriotism and nationalism is not necessarily synonymous though some people may be both and some people regard one being an extreme of the other. But like I said a real patriot would be more so concerned about the defence of peoples lives and well being. You have veterans who constantly criticise the government or policies are you saying they aren't patriots?

[ZZZZZ]

they have to be patriot to escape giving an answer to the "why dont u just leave if u not happy"

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

引用自 Goldias：

Because love makes them illogical.

No one should die for their country. Anyone who's a patriot is just blind by propaganda.

Depends on what you're dying for. If it's to protect family, and a good way of life, many people throughout the centuries have laid down their life for that.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

id say japan is most patriotic outside of usa
they will die to the last person for japan

[Raelic]

A) Criticism isn't hatred or dislike. People can be critical or ask for change and still love their country.
B) You aren't a patriot at all if you don't like your country. The definition of patriot is a person who loves his or her country and is ready to boldly support and defend it.
C) I'm surprised it took this long to point out A&B.

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Plaid：

Are they criticizing the country or the power structures within that country?

Yeah, some people confuse patriotism, with statism. It's not the same thing. It makes sense that people who care about the rest of the country, outside of the power structures, criticize the bad decisions made by those in power. Because some times, just some times there are things more important than the stock portfolio of the inside-traders in congress.

[Dom]

引用自 Raoul：

引用自 Dom：

I have a somewhat different view, I think that if someone would like to completely change the direction of their country, then it seems very much contradictory that they would be proud of that country when you consider the current state of it.

And if you have a country that is, say, a heaven for ruling class or corporations, and you find that deeply immoral and something that truly goes against your values, yet the country keeps doing that year after year, I don't see logical conclusions for such person to be proud of their country.

Patriotism and nationalism is not necessarily synonymous though some people may be both and some people regard one being an extreme of the other. But like I said a real patriot would be more so concerned about the defence of peoples lives and well being. You have veterans who constantly criticise the government or policies are you saying they aren't patriots?

I'm not really saying who is a patriot and who isn't - more so I'm saying that people can claim to be anything but based on their actions and behavioral traits, others may question if they are truly what they claim to be. And then of course there may be big disagreements as to what does it mean to 'defend people's lives and well-being". Some could argue that very radical and even dangerous methods can be used in the names of promoting well-being or defending people's lives. I wouldn't really get stuck into that because it could mean anything, in either good or bad.

[Azza ☠]

Patriotism is just another word for blindsided puppet on a string who follows authority without even questioning it.

I personally believe it's based upon the Milgram experiment and Nazi youth education system.

Most are grown up in school, forced to put your hand over your chest and pledge allegations to a piece of coloured cloth known as the Flag and give blood or your life for a piece of dirt upon the same pile of dirt known as Earth, while just fighting over oil resources to fuel your vehicles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCaqA0ngRc

"Flags are bits of coloured cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's minds & then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DboMAghWcA

A true patriot hero you will be....

[Scurrybt]

I don’t know, why do people judge the state of other countries when there are plenty of problems in their own?

[Dom]

引用自 Azza ☠：

Patriotism is just another word for blindsided puppet on a string who follows authority without even questioning it.

Something that I've noticed about those "patriots" is that when others want to change the society and systems towards something else, they accuse those people of hating the country.

But when the patriots want to change the society and systems, it's suddenly "for the greater good" and "because they love the country", want to save it, etc.

So in that sense, I guess there's some strong authority thinking in place.

[Fajita Jim]

引用自 Dom：

引用自 Azza ☠：

Patriotism is just another word for blindsided puppet on a string who follows authority without even questioning it.

Something that I've noticed about those "patriots" is that when others want to change the society and systems towards something else, they accuse those people of hating the country.

But when the patriots want to change the society and systems, it's suddenly "for the greater good" and "because they love the country", want to save it, etc.

So in that sense, I guess there's some strong authority thinking in place.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ajps.12016

Hence, researchers have shown that, on average, the brains of conservative authoritarians as compared to liberals are quite different from one another. For example, conservative authoritarians are more fear-centered, tend to fixate on negativity, default to order and hierarchy, and are averse to new stimuli.