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What sort of a definition you are after?
If one acknowledges that ones country isn't perfect but the one is content and happy living in one, couldn't it be "pride" as a feeling that the one could feel in living there?
Pride is sometimes difficult to define. For me at least. I could say that I am proud of Johnny Depp even when he has the problems we all know.
But I don't know if it's possible, in most cases, to be both disappointed and proud, at the same time. Those feelings often tend to contradict each other.
You're trying to use your labelmaker too strict.
but there are a lot of people who find more to complain than to actually give credit for. In that case many people would question if their pride is actually reasonable, or perhaps it's fake.
Or not necessarily fake but perhaps it stems from some false image that isn't based on reality.
But it's all bs, countries only exist in the human mind.
I think you've answered your question right there because most people are patriots at heart anyway and don't need to go around claiming that title..
Also what criticisms did you hear, tell us?
My general understanding/view is that government is the country - if there is no government and those structures that come along with the government, then there's no country.
So the idea that people love the country but hate the government is something that doesn't sit well with me.
Nothing would be left of the country without the government that maintains it.
Well irregardless of titles I think in America there's multiple kinds of patriots. The Antifa/BLM member might not call themselves Patriots but they are fighting for their own "utopia" version of American, just like people who would call themselves American patriots are likely fighting for their version of utopia. And both sides have drastically different ideas of what utopia is.
And in both cases people are fighting for ideals. BLM/Antifa want a high regimentated marxist society, whereas Patriots typically want a "Live and Let Live" society with high individual freedom.
Ohh okay, well I disagree because being a true patriot to me means holding extreme accountability for the lives and quality of life for the people of that country so naturally would have to be very critical about a government who may be beholden to corporations or a ruling class that then affects peoples lives negatively. I'm not talking about anarchy and getting rid of the government completely that's nonsensical and completely different, I think you'd be mixing things if that is what you thought. There may be good and bad criticisms but I doubt anyone with any common sense to want to get rid of the government completely.
And if you have a country that is, say, a heaven for ruling class or corporations, and you find that deeply immoral and something that truly goes against your values, yet the country keeps doing that year after year, I don't see logical conclusions for such person to be proud of their country.