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Rain 2023년 6월 3일 오전 9시 22분
steam deck vs nitendo switch
which one is better ?
첫 게시자: Candyy:
🌧️ Rain 🌧님이 먼저 게시:
which one is better ?

Switch without a doubt :csd2smile:

The deck is just useless if you alredy have a computer and I highly doubt anyone actually plays computer games outside of their room anyways, like why would want you to play the same games you play on the computer but outside?

At least on the switch ,on Pokémon you can bring your switch to your friend house and trade Pokémon with them, which is quite useful actually, and the switch is lighter to carry v:
Online trading exists but sometimes can be messy...

You can also take out the controller which is nice as well

I even noticed that some of the games on computer are not even well designed to be played on controller , cool you can plug the mouse and keyboard but then what is the point of getting a portable console that is more expensive??

And most importantly if you want to play with your friends online that do have a switch ,you cannot do it with a deck , and not playing splatoon, Pokémon and Mario kart without my friends is missing a lot pretty much... Specially when it comes to Mario kart, that game is boring against the bots...

Yeah, obviously if you do not play any Nintendo/Gamefreak game a switch would be pointless, but why would the deck be not pointless considering all the previous stuff? A normal computer seems a better investment in that scenario v:
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Not 2023년 6월 9일 오전 6시 19분 
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
Introverted Gamer님이 먼저 게시:
Has to be a tie for Asus Rog All, GPD WIN 4, and Aya Neo 2. All these Windows 11 devices, are better than an Steam Deck SteamOS and Nintendo OS.
That thing is like what... 700? Lol
530
Shodan 2023년 6월 9일 오전 9시 18분 
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
Shodan 2.0님이 먼저 게시:
The Steam Deck is an actual PC in a (superior) handheld form while the Nintendo Switch is a cheap plastic toy that can only play a few overrated games and a few good games, except the Steam Deck would play those good games better and you wouldn't have to rebuy them. The (highly accurate) touchpads and nearly endless customization of controls are awesome. I could go on all night, but you get the idea.

Are you actually serious?

There is a clear difference between a 60 Hz and 75 Hz monitor and I can instantly see when a tiny phone has a 90 Hz display right on the home screen with barely anything going on, let alone in games where responsiveness is a really big deal. In games, I easily feel a drop from 60 FPS to 55 FPS (which is not too bad, but I notice it), let alone 47 FPS from your example.

The difference is especially obvious with lower frame rates and refresh rates, even between 24 FPS and 30 FPS. After going from just 100 FPS back to 60 FPS, 60 FPS suddenly feels like an unbearable slideshow, how 30 FPS has always felt compared to that "smooth" 60 FPS.

I don't mean to sound pretentious, I'm not special because I can see this stuff, in fact almost everyone (who plays games) does (so, when you give a phone with a 90 Hz display to an older person who doesn't know or care about technology, they almost definitely won't notice it and it's just a phone anyway, not the most important or apparent thing on a phone anyway) and it makes perfect sense that they do because, again, responsiveness is a really big deal in games.

Anyway, instead of saying such blatant nonsense, why not just go see it for yourself? It's really not hard. Well, assuming you're actually serious, of course, because I still find it hard to believe that someone can seriously say something like this.
tldr: crybaby says 60 and 75 hz is like 1 and 2000hz and calls 60fps bad bc they are spoiled with a supercomputer


Heitor Villa-Lobos님이 먼저 게시:
Shodan 2.0님이 먼저 게시:

Are you actually serious?

There is a clear difference between a 60 Hz and 75 Hz monitor and I can instantly see when a tiny phone has a 90 Hz display right on the home screen with barely anything going on, let alone in games where responsiveness is a really big deal. In games, I easily feel a drop from 60 FPS to 55 FPS (which is not too bad, but I notice it), let alone 47 FPS from your example.

The difference is especially obvious with lower frame rates and refresh rates, even between 24 FPS and 30 FPS. After going from just 100 FPS back to 60 FPS, 60 FPS suddenly feels like an unbearable slideshow, how 30 FPS has always felt compared to that "smooth" 60 FPS.

I don't mean to sound pretentious, I'm not special because I can see this stuff, in fact almost everyone (who plays games) does (so, when you give a phone with a 90 Hz display to an older person who doesn't know or care about technology, they almost definitely won't notice it and it's just a phone anyway, not the most important or apparent thing on a phone anyway) and it makes perfect sense that they do because, again, responsiveness is a really big deal in games.

Anyway, instead of saying such blatant nonsense, why not just go see it for yourself? It's really not hard. Well, assuming you're actually serious, of course, because I still find it hard to believe that someone can seriously say something like this.

lawl, are you??

Were you not accepted into the super league because you brag about your powers any chance you get?
Anyways, I'm sure most artificial lights are strobe lights to you. Reality itself is not much more than one unbearable slide show...

go.
odnight...

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

I have a nearly obsolete piece of ♥♥♥♥ computer that's falling apart and I can't see anything that anyone else can't see.

Saying that the human eye can't see more than 24 FPS is like saying that the Earth is flat, plain and simple.
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Heitor Villa-Lobos 2023년 6월 9일 오후 12시 41분 
09627460984376934님이 먼저 게시:
Saying that the human eye can't see more than 24 FPS is like saying that the Earth is flat, plain and simple.

I was repeating one of those widespread "facts", such as "Thomas Edinson invented the lamp" or "glass is a liquid" because I didn't know better. Saying "the Earth is flat" is closer to "vaccines cause autism", "eating meat can be sustainable" or other science denialist crap.

Still, its quite absurd saying "60 FPS feels like an unbearable slideshow".
CinnamonApples 2023년 6월 13일 오전 2시 35분 
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
Steam deck by far
System
Pros
Cons
Steam Deck
• WAY more options for games.

• Highly customizable due it using Linux.

• Can even run non-steam games like Diablo 4.

• Benefits from the COUNTLESS Steam sale deals.

• Don't have to pay to use online like you do Switch monthly.

• Has a working desk top mode that basically acts like a mini pc/laptop that you can use to browse the web too!

• Want to play Switch games/old games? Emulators! New Zelda works on Steam deck!
• Bulkier

• Batterly Life

• Screen brightness in sunlight

• Price

• Dock station sold separate
Switch
• Exclusive Nintendo games

• Better screen brightness and colors

• Dock Included

• Smaller so it's more portable than the Deck.

• Better battery life
• ONLY play nintendo games so limited in that regard

• Unquestionably weaker than the Steam deck.

• Pay for online services

• ONLY for games. No web browser option.

• Not as durable as Deck

The ONLY downside in my honest opinion is the awful battery life (but when aren't you around a charger though) and the screen in sunlight its pretty hard to see the screen. Maybe if they give us a Steam Deck enhance version it'll fix these issues. The other cons aren't really that big of a deal to me.

Other than those downsides, Deck is just superior by a landslide unless you REALLY want to just play Nintendo games on their intended hardware... Which I really don't care about any Nintendo game that warrants a full blown system aside from Pokemon. Which again, not worth the full cost of the system to me.
the switch has more non nintendo games then official nintendo developed games
Valerie 2023년 6월 13일 오전 2시 54분 
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
Steam deck by far
System
Pros
Cons
Steam Deck
• WAY more options for games.

• Highly customizable due it using Linux.

• Can even run non-steam games like Diablo 4.

• Benefits from the COUNTLESS Steam sale deals.

• Don't have to pay to use online like you do Switch monthly.

• Has a working desk top mode that basically acts like a mini pc/laptop that you can use to browse the web too!

• Want to play Switch games/old games? Emulators! New Zelda works on Steam deck!
• Bulkier

• Batterly Life

• Screen brightness in sunlight

• Price

• Dock station sold separate
Switch
• Exclusive Nintendo games

• Better screen brightness and colors

• Dock Included

• Smaller so it's more portable than the Deck.

• Better battery life
• ONLY play nintendo games so limited in that regard

• Unquestionably weaker than the Steam deck.

• Pay for online services

• ONLY for games. No web browser option.

• Not as durable as Deck

The ONLY downside in my honest opinion is the awful battery life (but when aren't you around a charger though) and the screen in sunlight its pretty hard to see the screen. Maybe if they give us a Steam Deck enhance version it'll fix these issues. The other cons aren't really that big of a deal to me.

Other than those downsides, Deck is just superior by a landslide unless you REALLY want to just play Nintendo games on their intended hardware... Which I really don't care about any Nintendo game that warrants a full blown system aside from Pokemon. Which again, not worth the full cost of the system to me.
the switch has more non nintendo games then official nintendo developed games
Ah, my bad. I think the other points still stand though.
CinnamonApples 2023년 6월 13일 오전 2시 55분 
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
the switch has more non nintendo games then official nintendo developed games
Ah, my bad. I think the other points still stand though.
but can the steam deck run minecraft bedrock edition? no it cant
Valerie 2023년 6월 13일 오전 2시 57분 
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
Ah, my bad. I think the other points still stand though.
but can the steam deck run minecraft bedrock edition? no it cant
Does Steam Deck have Minecraft Bedrock?
Short answer: Yes, but it will take a little extra work. Since neither Minecraft Bedrock nor Minecraft Java is available on Steam, getting the game on your Steam Deck can be a bit complicated. But it is possible.

Source[knowtechie.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRwJ8c4bTpA&ab_channel=AntVenom

Java version as well. A lil janky, but theoretically, yes it can run both well it seems in terms of performance. With time it will most likely get even better. You can even get 30 fps with shaders.
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CinnamonApples 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 10분 
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
but can the steam deck run minecraft bedrock edition? no it cant
Does Steam Deck have Minecraft Bedrock?
Short answer: Yes, but it will take a little extra work. Since neither Minecraft Bedrock nor Minecraft Java is available on Steam, getting the game on your Steam Deck can be a bit complicated. But it is possible.

Source[knowtechie.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRwJ8c4bTpA&ab_channel=AntVenom

Java version as well. A lil janky, but theoretically, yes it can run both well it seems in terms of performance. With time it will most likely get even better. You can even get 30 fps with shaders.
oh i only knew java
Valerie 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 13분 
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
Does Steam Deck have Minecraft Bedrock?
Short answer: Yes, but it will take a little extra work. Since neither Minecraft Bedrock nor Minecraft Java is available on Steam, getting the game on your Steam Deck can be a bit complicated. But it is possible.

Source[knowtechie.com]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRwJ8c4bTpA&ab_channel=AntVenom

Java version as well. A lil janky, but theoretically, yes it can run both well it seems in terms of performance. With time it will most likely get even better. You can even get 30 fps with shaders.
oh i only knew java
I figured you could still play Bedrock since you can also install windows on the Deck as well. It's most likely not a fun process, but yeah.

Also Bedrock is inferior. I didn't know how much different it was until a few months ago. Blows my mind people pay for cosmetics and what have you.
Heitor Villa-Lobos 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 14분 
Minetest > Minecraft
CinnamonApples 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 14분 
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
oh i only knew java
I figured you could still play Bedrock since you can also install windows on the Deck as well. It's most likely not a fun process, but yeah.

Also Bedrock is inferior. I didn't know how much different it was until a few months ago. Blows my mind people pay for cosmetics and what have you.
well bedrock has cross play and mobile and (for me) nostalgia but thats all it has going for it
CinnamonApples 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 15분 
im so bored님이 먼저 게시:
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
I figured you could still play Bedrock since you can also install windows on the Deck as well. It's most likely not a fun process, but yeah.

Also Bedrock is inferior. I didn't know how much different it was until a few months ago. Blows my mind people pay for cosmetics and what have you.
well bedrock has cross play and mobile and (for me) nostalgia but thats all it has going for it
and rtx
Candyy 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 28분 
mikel3113님이 먼저 게시:
Candyy ♡님이 먼저 게시:

Switch without a doubt :csd2smile:

The deck is just useless if you alredy have a computer and I highly doubt anyone actually plays computer games outside of their room anyways, like why would want you to play the same games you play on the computer but outside?

At least on the switch ,on Pokémon you can bring your switch to your friend house and trade Pokémon with them, which is quite useful actually, and the switch is lighter to carry v:
Online trading exists but sometimes can be messy...

You can also take out the controller which is nice as well

I even noticed that some of the games on computer are not even well designed to be played on controller , cool you can plug the mouse and keyboard but then what is the point of getting a portable console that is more expensive??

And most importantly if you want to play with your friends online that do have a switch ,you cannot do it with a deck , and not playing splatoon, Pokémon and Mario kart without my friends is missing a lot pretty much... Specially when it comes to Mario kart, that game is boring against the bots...

Yeah, obviously if you do not play any Nintendo/Gamefreak game a switch would be pointless, but why would the deck be not pointless considering all the previous stuff? A normal computer seems a better investment in that scenario v:

I think just the opposite. I have a pretty decent PC and also have a Steam Deck and Nintendo Switch. I play the Steam Deck significantly more than anything else. Most of the games I want plus portability and ability to pick up and game on the fly. I'm still gaming inside for the most part but mornings out on the deck( porch) with the kids, coffee and my Steam Deck is near perfection. I'm mostly in the kitchen playing while supervising kids to not choke while eating or playing on the couch while some horrifically torturous kids show is on. If you have kids and are a PC gamer the Steam Deck is a no-brainer

Having a detachable controller isn't an issue. I just attach a Bluetooth PS4 controller for using with my TV or if I don't want to use the built-in controller of the steam deck itself. Most of the times I'm using the steam deck controller though. You are correct that some PC games that use mouse, keyboards specifically RTSs that I play just don't play well on the deck with gamepad controls. I save those for playing on my PC. Also have a hotas for simulator games and while those games can be played with a gamepad, I would rather play with a hotas

I don't care about multiplayer games so that point of yours in mute with me. I don't have a single multiplayer game installed on my PC either. I will play some local multiplayer on the Switch playing s
Smash Bros or Mario Cart but that's a rare occasion. I'm usually enjoying single player games.

Steam Deck for me all day over a Switch if I had to have one. Thankfully I can indulge in owning both plus a nice PC and PS4 that gives me most anything I want. Couldn't justify getting a PS5 or an Xbox series x

I do not have kids but I have taken care of kids (babysitting) and you do not specifically need a deck for that :steambored:
I know is not exactly the same thing but is kinda similar

I always bring the switch, like we play together and all that :csd2smile:

So I do not see why buying the deck for that specifically, you can play the games with the kids on your room on the room...

As for the kitchen, you do not a go a kitchen to play games ,you go to a kitchen to cook and do kitchen stuff... Specially with cooking robots being almost everywhere nowadays, you can just leave the cooking robot to cook ,put the timer and go back to the room and play...

So I still do not see a good reason to spend that extra on the deck ,and that is without mentioning that computers nowadays require VERY powerful computers to even play most things nowadays, and I highly doubt the deck can run all of that

Deck just has very specific uses only, I honestly do not see the deck surviving for as long as the switch has survived :steambored:
Valerie 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 32분 
Candyy ♡님이 먼저 게시:
So I still do not see a good reason to spend that extra on the deck ,and that is without mentioning that computers nowadays require VERY powerful computers to even play most things nowadays, and I highly doubt the deck can run all of that
I will say the Steam deck so far has proven it can handle a lot of new games quite well. I played RE 4 remake on it relatively fine, the DS remake works good on it, and it can even play Diablo 4 really well in terms of FPS (30 - 40). Someone even managed to play the new Zelda game on it at solid 30 fps.
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I'm_Tired 2023년 6월 13일 오전 3시 34분 
Valerie님이 먼저 게시:
Steam deck by far
System
Pros
Cons
Steam Deck
• WAY more options for games.

• Highly customizable due it using Linux.

• Can even run non-steam games like Diablo 4.

• Benefits from the COUNTLESS Steam sale deals.

• Don't have to pay to use online like you do Switch monthly.

• Has a working desk top mode that basically acts like a mini pc/laptop that you can use to browse the web too!

• Want to play Switch games/old games? Emulators! New Zelda works on Steam deck!
• Bulkier

• Batterly Life

• Screen brightness in sunlight

• Price

• Dock station sold separate
Switch
• Exclusive Nintendo games

• Better screen brightness and colors

• Dock Included

• Smaller so it's more portable than the Deck.

• Better battery life
• ONLY play nintendo games so limited in that regard

• Unquestionably weaker than the Steam deck.

• Pay for online services

• ONLY for games. No web browser option.

• Not as durable as Deck
I would put heating issues on the con list of Steam Deck.

Hate it when I get nervous feeling the heat coming out of your palm then pressing the "3 dot" button just to go on the performance tab, check the temps every 10 minutes and wondering if 70c is normal or not.
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