Have you ever had a dream, where you were slowly dying....

[̶D̶e̶v̶e̶l̶o̶p̶e̶r̶]

You know this kind of nightmares, were you get stabbed and you slowly bleed to your own death, anyone else had this kind of dreams

[Bad Aim]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Li77lehorn:

^I think dreams are much more than that. And also considering shared dreaming and precog dreaming. I guess it depends on your experiences.

I could be very wrong and I apologize in advance if I am wrong but I assume this is directed at me and my comment.

Both shared dreaming and dreams that come true can be explained.

Dreams typically do not go from short term to long term memory. I remember one of my professors did explain why that was, but I don't remember what he said.

Because dreams have a difficult time making the transition for short term to long term memory, they can often alter or shift to something totally different.

One of my professors told this story:

"I was at a hotel and had gone to bed for the night. I always keep a pen and paper on the bedside table just in case I have any thoughts or I dream and that dreams gives me some type of clue or answer.

I remember waking up knowing the answer to the problem that I had been having with a project I was involved in. So, I picked up the pen and paper, wrote down the answer, then when back to sleep. When i woke up the next morning, I remembered that I had written down the answer to my problem. I picked up the notebook to read what I had written down. This is what I saw: "All the bedrooms in the world smell like strawberries"

I should say that the project he was working on at the time involved how humans visually perceive the world around them.

Had he not been writing down what he was dreaming about, there is a possibility that he could have "remembered" his dream as something totally different.

In a nutshell, human memory sucks. It can be easily altered or you can even place false memories into someone.

i managed to put a false memory into my dad. He "remembered" doing something he never actually did do.

[Entity]

The dreams in which I’m dying are the best I’ve ever had.

[Li77lehorn]

^the only explanation I ever get is "you're remembering it wrong". Which is just a cop out and used to comfort the person saying it. Anyway I'm not going to derail the thread and I'm past debating dreaming experiences. Believe what you wish.

[Bad Aim]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Li77lehorn:

^the only explanation I ever get is "you're remembering it wrong". Which is just a cop out and used to comfort the person saying it. Anyway I'm not going to derail the thread and I'm past debating dreaming experiences. Believe what you wish.

I will say the same. My background comes from education at a university. My experience with dreams and dreaming goes back 20 years.

You also are welcome to believe whatever fairy-tale you want to tell yourself.

[Volfogg]

Actually the one I remember best was being stabbed and slowly bleeding out on the ground. I was so happy. Then I woke up and dissapointment hit me super hard.

[Li77lehorn]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Cernunnos:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Li77lehorn:

^the only explanation I ever get is "you're remembering it wrong". Which is just a cop out and used to comfort the person saying it. Anyway I'm not going to derail the thread and I'm past debating dreaming experiences. Believe what you wish.

I will say the same. My background comes from education at a university. My experience with dreams and dreaming goes back 20 years.

You also are welcome to believe whatever fairy-tale you want to tell yourself.

Yeah I've read you say about your background in psychology. Which always makes me wonder about your responses then to others. I just think it obviously never taught you wisdom.

[Mauserich]

No, sleep like a bear most of the time. When I dream, mostly beautiful things. ,-)

Have once read, dreams is either hidden fears or desires. Must only ask yourself where the images come from that you have in your head.

[Bad Aim]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Cernunnos:

I will say the same. My background comes from education at a university. My experience with dreams and dreaming goes back 20 years.

You also are welcome to believe whatever fairy-tale you want to tell yourself.

Yeah I've read you say about your background in psychology. Which always makes me wonder about your responses then to others. I just think it obviously never taught you wisdom.

LMAO!

You are funny!

[Y1N9]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Y1N9:

Such dreams represent rebirth. You wake up after such dreams, right? Yeah. Dying in this case represents a move away from something in your past self, so you can face the future in a more purified, stronger form. It's a symbol of transformation, the transformation of you into a larger and stronger version of you. In this sense, it's a symbol of maturation and moving away from the past, by leaving something behind.
Alternatively, it can also mean that your authentic self and inner child are not getting enough attention, and that you really need to rekindle that fire, for it to be reborn as a larger version of your authentic self.
I would have to know you personally for me to analyze your specific situation, and to tell you which interpretation is applicable to you. But, I'm guessing you can figure that one out on your own too, without any guidance.

I have to disagree. Dreams are nothing more than random neuro firings in the brain during the REM cycle of sleep. The dreams are a way of keeping you asleep by showing you a story while the random neuro firings are happening. Those firings actually cause noise and the brains job is to keep you sleep.

We can see this more clearly in action by analyzing what people report when real noise is made during REM. As a simple example, when your alarm that you set goes off. Many people have incorporated that sound into the dream, keeping the person asleep.

While sleeping, the brain cannot differentiate between internal noise and external noise. So all noise is incorporated into dreams and, overall, your sleeping brain.

Oh you want to talk science? Fine. Dreams are also for memory consolidation. Dream contents are phenomenological equivalents of certain neural pathways. These then become potentiated due to activation by the phenomenological dream contents or vice versa.

"Encoding is important to getting information into memory, but it is not the whole story. Sleep seems to play a role in consolidating the memories we encode during the day, and different stages of sleep consolidate different kinds of memory. Slow-wave sleep seems critical to the consolidation of declarative memories, and rapid eye movement sleep is critical to the consolidation of nondeclarative memories.

Perhaps the most basic debate with respect to sleep is whether it serves any sort of critical function at all. Experimental evidence now suggests that sleep plays a role in reinforcing and reorganizing our memory systems to make the memories of recent events stronger, a process termed consolidation.

It has been suggested that sleep’s only purpose is to conserve energy during the hours of darkness, when human senses are inadequate for hunting and gathering. But experiments have shown that sleep is critical for survival; extreme sleep deprivation may even be fatal.

There are 5 stages of sleep, each of which may be relevant to the consolidation of different sorts of memory. Scientists distinguish between types of sleep by the different patterns of electrical activity each produces in the brain. In general, the sleep stages can be divided into rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and non-REM sleep. We cycle through the stages several times during the night.

The deepest stage of non-REM sleep is stage 3, called slow-wave sleep. During stage 3, our brains receive very little input from our external environment. If you are awakened during stage 3, you would feel extremely tired and sluggish. One function of slow-wave sleep may be the repair and maintenance of our bodies. REM sleep is the stage of sleep when we dream. During REM sleep, our glands stop releasing several neurochemicals that send signals to our motor neurons. This produces a paralysis called REM atonia that keeps us from acting out our dreams. Early in our night’s sleep, we tend to spend most of our time in slow-wave sleep. As the cycles repeat, we reduce the time in slow-wave sleep and increase the time in REM sleep.

When we dream, the electrical activity of our brain looks extremely similar to how it looks when we are awake and alert. We think, solve problems, and do all sorts of real-world things in REM sleep, but the stimuli come from inside our brains and not from the external world. Evidence suggests dreams are replays of critical events from our recent past, making our memory of those events more stable. In shock-avoidance tests performed on rats, it was found that rats being trained to avoid shocks (that is, those forming nondeclarative memories) spent 25 percent more time in REM sleep than did control (unshocked) rats. This suggests that dreaming allows us to consolidate new motor behaviors without physical practice.

In contrast, slow-wave sleep seems to improve declarative memory consolidation. Among human test participants, humans who spent more time in slow-wave sleep were much better at memorizing lists than those spending more time in REM sleep. The hippocampus, which we know is critical for the transition of memories from working memory to episodic memory, is very active during slow-wave sleep. Some researchers speculate that the hippocampus is a conductor of sorts: It connects activity in different brain regions to form a meaningful overall
pattern, then brings back that pattern by stimulating brain areas to fire the way they did when the episode occurred. Maybe it is performing these sorts of functions as we sleep as well.

Working memory seems to be online during REM sleep, which is why we are conscious of our dreams. Working memory is not online during slow-wave sleep.

Infants have been shown to spend 50 percent or more of their sleep in a REM state, whereas time spent in REM sleep declines as we age and in some older adults may be missing altogether. Slow-wave sleep also declines as we age. This suggests that memory consolidation in general may be less important as we age, when we are not trying to learn as many new skills."
-Steve Joordens, "Memory and the Human Lifespan" guidebook, p. 43 - 45 (Teaching Company, The Great Courses, 2011).

So, respectfully, you might not be in a position to debate me on the notion of dreams, let alone lecture me about the issue.

[Devsman]

I have a lot of bad dreams, but I haven't had one about bodily harm or death in a long time. That kind of thing just doesn't scare me anymore.

I have nightmares about myself hurting other people, or trying and failing to rescue them, or losing track of them in an apocalypse or something.

[Bad Aim]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Y1N9:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Cernunnos:

I have to disagree. Dreams are nothing more than random neuro firings in the brain during the REM cycle of sleep. The dreams are a way of keeping you asleep by showing you a story while the random neuro firings are happening. Those firings actually cause noise and the brains job is to keep you sleep.

We can see this more clearly in action by analyzing what people report when real noise is made during REM. As a simple example, when your alarm that you set goes off. Many people have incorporated that sound into the dream, keeping the person asleep.

While sleeping, the brain cannot differentiate between internal noise and external noise. So all noise is incorporated into dreams and, overall, your sleeping brain.

Oh you want to talk science? Fine. Dreams are also for memory consolidation. Dream contents are phenomenological equivalents of certain neural pathways. These then become potentiated due to activation by the phenomenological dream contents or vice versa.

"Encoding is important to getting information into memory, but it is not the whole story. Sleep seems to play a role in consolidating the memories we encode during the day, and different stages of sleep consolidate different kinds of memory. Slow-wave sleep seems critical to the consolidation of declarative memories, and rapid eye movement sleep is critical to the consolidation of nondeclarative memories.

Perhaps the most basic debate with respect to sleep is whether it serves any sort of critical function at all. Experimental evidence now suggests that sleep plays a role in reinforcing and reorganizing our memory systems to make the memories of recent events stronger, a process termed consolidation.

It has been suggested that sleep’s only purpose is to conserve energy during the hours of darkness, when human senses are inadequate for hunting and gathering. But experiments have shown that sleep is critical for survival; extreme sleep deprivation may even be fatal.

There are 5 stages of sleep, each of which may be relevant to the consolidation of different sorts of memory. Scientists distinguish between types of sleep by the different patterns of electrical activity each produces in the brain. In general, the sleep stages can be divided into rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and non-REM sleep. We cycle through the stages several times during the night.

The deepest stage of non-REM sleep is stage 3, called slow-wave sleep. During stage 3, our brains receive very little input from our external environment. If you are awakened during stage 3, you would feel extremely tired and sluggish. One function of slow-wave sleep may be the repair and maintenance of our bodies. REM sleep is the stage of sleep when we dream. During REM sleep, our glands stop releasing several neurochemicals that send signals to our motor neurons. This produces a paralysis called REM atonia that keeps us from acting out our dreams. Early in our night’s sleep, we tend to spend most of our time in slow-wave sleep. As the cycles repeat, we reduce the time in slow-wave sleep and increase the time in REM sleep.

When we dream, the electrical activity of our brain looks extremely similar to how it looks when we are awake and alert. We think, solve problems, and do all sorts of real-world things in REM sleep, but the stimuli come from inside our brains and not from the external world. Evidence suggests dreams are replays of critical events from our recent past, making our memory of those events more stable. In shock-avoidance tests performed on rats, it was found that rats being trained to avoid shocks (that is, those forming nondeclarative memories) spent 25 percent more time in REM sleep than did control (unshocked) rats. This suggests that dreaming allows us to consolidate new motor behaviors without physical practice.

In contrast, slow-wave sleep seems to improve declarative memory consolidation. Among human test participants, humans who spent more time in slow-wave sleep were much better at memorizing lists than those spending more time in REM sleep. The hippocampus, which we know is critical for the transition of memories from working memory to episodic memory, is very active during slow-wave sleep. Some researchers speculate that the hippocampus is a conductor of sorts: It connects activity in different brain regions to form a meaningful overall
pattern, then brings back that pattern by stimulating brain areas to fire the way they did when the episode occurred. Maybe it is performing these sorts of functions as we sleep as well.

Working memory seems to be online during REM sleep, which is why we are conscious of our dreams. Working memory is not online during slow-wave sleep.

Infants have been shown to spend 50 percent or more of their sleep in a REM state, whereas time spent in REM sleep declines as we age and in some older adults may be missing altogether. Slow-wave sleep also declines as we age. This suggests that memory consolidation in general may be less important as we age, when we are not trying to learn as many new skills."
-Steve Joordens, "Memory and the Human Lifespan" guidebook, p. 43 - 45 (Teaching Company, The Great Courses, 2011).

So, respectfully, you might not be in a position to debate me on the notion of dreams, let alone lecture me about the issue.

You can copy and paste, congrats. I could do that too but I'll not waste your time.

There are 4 camps of thought on why we dream. One is memory consolidation. Another camp is about how we learn. The third revolves around emotional control. and finally, the forth is the idea that dreams are random neuro firings.

On memory consolidation and learning. We know that in certain people SSRI's will actually stop them from dreaming. We have tested both cats and this group of people on both memory and learning. We know in both cats and humans, that a lack of dreaming does not mean a person will learn less or at a slower rate. We also know that memory is not affected by a lack of REM sleep.

We have seen some loss of emotional control in human subjects with a lack of REM sleep, but in the cat model we have not seen a lack of emotional control. We also know that self reporting and versions of the placebo effect play a part in self reporting, so we can not be 100% sure that emotional control is any factor. And in most people, it isn't a factor.

So, that really leaves only one camp left, that dreams are random neuro firings.

So, Mr. Copy & Paste, would you care to use your own words and respond to that please?

[Devsman]

Also I just realized the sky is always red in my dreams.

[Y1N9]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Cernunnos:

You can copy and paste, congrats. I could do that too but I'll not waste your time.

That's not from wikipedia smartass. That's from a lecture series on memory from the Great Courses.

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/memory-and-the-human-lifespan

So, mr. expert, why don't you email Steve Joordens on how his lecture on dreams and memory consolidation isn't complete or valid.

https://www.psych.utoronto.ca/people/directories/all-faculty/steve-joordens

[Bad Aim]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Y1N9:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Cernunnos:

You can copy and paste, congrats. I could do that too but I'll not waste your time.

That's not from wikipedia smartass. That's from a lecture series on memory from the Great Courses.

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/memory-and-the-human-lifespan

So, mr. expert, why don't you email Steve Joordens on how his lecture on dreams and memory consolidation isn't complete or valid.

https://www.psych.utoronto.ca/people/directories/all-faculty/steve-joordens

Reported

[Y1N9]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Cernunnos:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Y1N9:

That's not from wikipedia smartass. That's from a lecture series on memory from the Great Courses.

https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/memory-and-the-human-lifespan

So, mr. expert, why don't you email Steve Joordens on how his lecture on dreams and memory consolidation isn't complete or valid.

https://www.psych.utoronto.ca/people/directories/all-faculty/steve-joordens

Reported

So, are you going to email Joordens?