Why do people think banning guns will do anything?

[Slayrix]

Like seriously, what will banning guns really do to solve mass shootings? We already have a test group of people who are not legally allowed to own guns, those people being felons. Yet you see felons all over the place armed, if we make it illegal for all people to have guns the people who still want guns will just do what the felons did to get a gun illegally. It's called the black market and it's why despite drugs being illegal, people are still using them. So what will banning guns really do other than take away guns from the honest people who will only acquire a gun legally?

Edit: People don't get the fact that America has had guns since its literal birth, our founders said, "Yeah, everyone can legally have a cannon if they want." Yeah, countries that never had guns in their veins will find it quite easy to outlaw all of them, they were never there to begin with. Our founders encouraged our people to go out there and get a gun. Guns are every where in America and it's been like that forever. Not every country is like that and that is why banning them worked so easily. It's just not that easy for America to do at this point, try and take a gun away from a man who doesn't want to give away his gun, see how that goes, you better go in armed yourself, but you won't be, because you are actively trying to outlaw them...

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 WhiteKnight77：

引用自 Shizune：

Hence why a law = less issue for law needing to pick and choose who has illegal fire arms and who does not.







I want people to understand and if they read the law their trying to do, its the ban of ASSAULT WEAPONS, AKA, Assault Rifles, Assault Carbines and Semi-Automatic Weapons.

This excludes: Hunting Rifles, Shotguns and Pistols (along with others I know I'm forgetting)

Like yes, no human in the Untied States requires military grade fire power, maybe a defensive home shotgun? Sure, a consealed pistol? Sure, but those are not under the umbrella to start with, only freaking military grade fire arms are, which is ironic because the part of where people are freaking out and getting the news wrong is where the news and others report its all guns, no its just assault weapons.

Unless you are willing to shell out huge sums of money, on top of the enhanced background check by the ATF and paying them to do so, no one can own military grade firearms and have not been able to since 1934 with the National Firearms Act. Any military grade firearms that could be bought and owned are made before 1986 and are rather hard to come by.

We..did: https://www.lawcommentary.com/articles/the-assault-weapons-ban-sunset-clause-what-it-is-and-why-it-happened#:~:text=Any%20guns%20legally%20possessed%20before%20the%20law%20came,to%20show%20that%20Democrats%20were%20%E2%80%9Ctough%20on%20crime.%E2%80%9D

Bill forgot the Sunset Clause...

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

引用自 Shizune：

引用自 WhiteKnight77：

Unless you are willing to shell out huge sums of money, on top of the enhanced background check by the ATF and paying them to do so, no one can own military grade firearms and have not been able to since 1934 with the National Firearms Act. Any military grade firearms that could be bought and owned are made before 1986 and are rather hard to come by.

We..did: https://www.lawcommentary.com/articles/the-assault-weapons-ban-sunset-clause-what-it-is-and-why-it-happened#:~:text=Any%20guns%20legally%20possessed%20before%20the%20law%20came,to%20show%20that%20Democrats%20were%20%E2%80%9Ctough%20on%20crime.%E2%80%9D

Bill forgot the Sunset Clause...

Sounds like you don't know the terminology even though you want to ban something. A assault rifle has a selective fire allowing for full auto. Most guns don't have that and thus aren't military/assault rifles.

Reminds me of a video I saw of this person who went to an anti-gun march with a sign asking what guns we should ban. They had pictures of various guns, about half of the guns were from movies and not actually real gun...some were pretty blatantly not real guns...and people kept pointing to unreal guns because they looked scary and suggested banning them.

By the incorrect definition of how the left are redefining assault rifles the guns used in the most recent shooting would NOT have been banned. Those guns as pistol ammo...which are what the majority of the mass shootings use...pistosls

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Shizune：

We..did: https://www.lawcommentary.com/articles/the-assault-weapons-ban-sunset-clause-what-it-is-and-why-it-happened#:~:text=Any%20guns%20legally%20possessed%20before%20the%20law%20came,to%20show%20that%20Democrats%20were%20%E2%80%9Ctough%20on%20crime.%E2%80%9D

Bill forgot the Sunset Clause...

No you didn't. you just dont' understand the terminology even though you have an opinion on the matter. A assault rifle has a selective fire allowing for full auto. Most don't guns don't have that and thus don't military/assault rifles.

Reminds me of a video I saw of this person who went to an anti-gun march with a sign asking what guns we should ban. They had pictures of various guns, about half of the guns were from movies and not actually real gun...some were pretty blatantly not real guns...and people kept pointing to unreal guns because they looked scary and suggested banning them.

I question where such low IQ people are because I'm speak of the actual former ban on actual former assault weapons, I don't know about you but if they were banning all guns, the world "assault" would not be used in it, and unlike actual law terms of "assault" the term for an assault gun is vastly different.

An assault shotgun is not the same of an hunting shotgun, an assault rifle is not the same as an hunting rifle. If it was then this law would literally outlaw hunting in all 50 states and that sure as hell would never happen in the US, you can take guns away but good luck to taking them all away, it will be the Waco Siege all over again at that point.

[WhiteKnight77]

引用自 Shizune：

引用自 WhiteKnight77：

Unless you are willing to shell out huge sums of money, on top of the enhanced background check by the ATF and paying them to do so, no one can own military grade firearms and have not been able to since 1934 with the National Firearms Act. Any military grade firearms that could be bought and owned are made before 1986 and are rather hard to come by.

We..did: https://www.lawcommentary.com/articles/the-assault-weapons-ban-sunset-clause-what-it-is-and-why-it-happened#:~:text=Any%20guns%20legally%20possessed%20before%20the%20law%20came,to%20show%20that%20Democrats%20were%20%E2%80%9Ctough%20on%20crime.%E2%80%9D

Bill forgot the Sunset Clause...

More people die by pistols instead of long guns.

[WhiteKnight77]

引用自 Shizune：

引用自 Snow ☯：

No you didn't. you just dont' understand the terminology even though you have an opinion on the matter. A assault rifle has a selective fire allowing for full auto. Most don't guns don't have that and thus don't military/assault rifles.

Reminds me of a video I saw of this person who went to an anti-gun march with a sign asking what guns we should ban. They had pictures of various guns, about half of the guns were from movies and not actually real gun...some were pretty blatantly not real guns...and people kept pointing to unreal guns because they looked scary and suggested banning them.

I question where such low IQ people are because I'm speak of the actual former ban on actual former assault weapons, I don't know about you but if they were banning all guns, the world "assault" would not be used in it, and unlike actual law terms of "assault" the term for an assault gun is vastly different.

An assault shotgun is not the same of an hunting shotgun, an assault rifle is not the same as an hunting rifle. If it was then this law would literally outlaw hunting in all 50 states and that sure as hell would never happen in the US, you can take guns away but good luck to taking them all away, it will be the Waco Siege all over again at that point.

I could use any firearm for hunting. As it is, a company uses AR (Armalite Rifles, not assault rifle) style rifles to hunt feral pigs that tear up farm land.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 WhiteKnight77：

引用自 Shizune：

I question where such low IQ people are because I'm speak of the actual former ban on actual former assault weapons, I don't know about you but if they were banning all guns, the world "assault" would not be used in it, and unlike actual law terms of "assault" the term for an assault gun is vastly different.

An assault shotgun is not the same of an hunting shotgun, an assault rifle is not the same as an hunting rifle. If it was then this law would literally outlaw hunting in all 50 states and that sure as hell would never happen in the US, you can take guns away but good luck to taking them all away, it will be the Waco Siege all over again at that point.

I could use any firearm for hunting. As it is, a company uses AR (Armalite Rifles, not assault rifle) style rifles to hunt feral pigs that tear up farm land.

You could, but what the US Firearms department deems as a hunting weapon and what is not is all that flies and they do indeed have a list of what is deemed as an assualt weapon and what makes a weapon nonassault, which largely revolves around the concept if the weapon is automatic or not.

[LeviathanWon]

Wildlife defence requires semi automatic.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 LeviathanWon：

Wildlife defence requires semi automatic.

Tell it to the federal trade division of firearms, I didnt write it, they did xD I cant change it and honestly wont bother trying to, those guys honestly dont budge as is anyways

[Acetyl]

These threads are all the same. If you realize you're just looping, you can start to delve below the more superficial layers of the discussion. The signal to noise of the adversarial system is absolutely terrible. All of this time and energy could be pooled together and better used on something else. Or the same thing, in a better way. Break the script. Stop the ritual. Start thinking how to do something new.

[Kamiyama]

引用自 Acetyl：

These threads are all the same. If you realize you're just looping, you can start to delve below the more superficial layers of the discussion. The signal to noise of the adversarial system is absolutely terrible. All of this time and energy could be pooled together and better used on something else. Or the same thing, in a better way. Break the script. Stop the ritual. Start thinking how to do something new.

It's impossible to move forward until the people who are wrong admit they are wrong and apologize for being wrong.

The people who are right are waiting.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

引用自 Shizune：

引用自 WhiteKnight77：

I could use any firearm for hunting. As it is, a company uses AR (Armalite Rifles, not assault rifle) style rifles to hunt feral pigs that tear up farm land.

You could, but what the US Firearms department deems as a hunting weapon and what is not is all that flies and they do indeed have a list of what is deemed as an assualt weapon and what makes a weapon nonassault, which largely revolves around the concept if the weapon is automatic or not.

Okay...it largely revolves around what's automatic...do you understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic? And do you understand that no mass shooting in the last few years have used fully automatic weapons?

[Kamiyama]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Shizune：

You could, but what the US Firearms department deems as a hunting weapon and what is not is all that flies and they do indeed have a list of what is deemed as an assualt weapon and what makes a weapon nonassault, which largely revolves around the concept if the weapon is automatic or not.

Okay...it largely revolves around what's automatic...do you understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic? And do you understand that no mass shooting in the last few years have used fully automatic weapons?

^ This is a great point and an excellent case for making automatic weapons legal.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Shizune：

You could, but what the US Firearms department deems as a hunting weapon and what is not is all that flies and they do indeed have a list of what is deemed as an assualt weapon and what makes a weapon nonassault, which largely revolves around the concept if the weapon is automatic or not.

Okay...it largely revolves around what's automatic...do you understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic? And do you understand that no mass shooting in the last few years have used fully automatic weapons?

There was literally a shooting in Nashvill 2 days ago that was done with AR-15's, what are you talking about?

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

引用自 Kamiyama：

Well just look at Mexico. Guns are banned in Mexico and Mexico only has 1 legal firearms store in the entire country.

This means Mexico is leftist utopia and there is absolutely no gun crime there.

And there's massive crime. Lots of mass shootings. People can't defend themselves and much of the law enforcement is corrupt. Slavery is a real threat/issue...sorry no thank you.

[Kamiyama]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Kamiyama：

Well just look at Mexico. Guns are banned in Mexico and Mexico only has 1 legal firearms store in the entire country.

This means Mexico is leftist utopia and there is absolutely no gun crime there.

And there's massive crime. Lots of mass shootings. People can't defend themselves and much of the law enforcement is corrupt. Slavery is a real threat/issue...sorry no thank you.

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