Why do people think banning guns will do anything?

[Slayrix]

Like seriously, what will banning guns really do to solve mass shootings? We already have a test group of people who are not legally allowed to own guns, those people being felons. Yet you see felons all over the place armed, if we make it illegal for all people to have guns the people who still want guns will just do what the felons did to get a gun illegally. It's called the black market and it's why despite drugs being illegal, people are still using them. So what will banning guns really do other than take away guns from the honest people who will only acquire a gun legally?

Edit: People don't get the fact that America has had guns since its literal birth, our founders said, "Yeah, everyone can legally have a cannon if they want." Yeah, countries that never had guns in their veins will find it quite easy to outlaw all of them, they were never there to begin with. Our founders encouraged our people to go out there and get a gun. Guns are every where in America and it's been like that forever. Not every country is like that and that is why banning them worked so easily. It's just not that easy for America to do at this point, try and take a gun away from a man who doesn't want to give away his gun, see how that goes, you better go in armed yourself, but you won't be, because you are actively trying to outlaw them...

[funewchie]

引用自 Vakers：

引用自 Xero_Daxter：

People who are opposed to guns… let’s say you live in the middle of nowhere and multiple bad guys busted in your house (with guns) and the nearest police station is 20 miles away?

Even if you did have a gun, do you really think it's a good idea to try to win a shootout with multiple people?

So what do you propose?

Lay down and die?
Throw them your wife and daughters, in hopes they'll leave you alive?
Drop to your knees and pray for divine intervention?

(So help me, if someone suggests "talk it out with the intruders", block them. That level of stupidity should be a felony)

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Also, I hate to bring it up, but Japan has one of the strictest gun controls laws around.
...Didn't exactly help their prime minister, did it?

Same with Germany.
Strict gun control laws.
Didn't stop that psycho a week or so ago, who charged into a church and shot and killed several people including an expecting mother's baby.

I'm the German and Japanese people can sleep super-safe after that, knowing that it is inconceivable that anyone can endanger them with a gun in their country, because the law prevents it.[/sarcasm]

But sure, repeat the rhetoric , and mock the 'Muricans.
Just remember, like the saying goes: "When you point the finger at someone, there's three fingers pointing back at you."

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Dracoco OwO：

引用自 hypercybermegatron：

Finally, someone with a brain. A breath of fresh air around this joint!

None of the banning all guns and disposing of them is impossible on itself, what's actually preventing it from happenning are the peoples themselves. Peoples also saying it's a logistical nightmare yet Australia ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ did it anyways.

There are a few facts that you are forgetting. No, Australia didn't "do it." Few guns were actually turned in, the majority remained in public hands, and statistics today show there are MORE gun in Australia right now than there were before they signed that legislation. It was 2.1 guns per owner in '97, it's 3.9 guns per owner today. 3.2 million of them prior to the bill, they only confiscated around 600,000, and research from the Australia Institute says there are 3.6 million gun in Australia today. That's 400,000 higher than in 1996.

It's dishonest, at best, to point to legislation after Port Arthur and claim any kind of success when there wasn't anything like that prior, which means there's ZERO data to suggest there would have been more after. That is called specious reasoning. And since it is so rare in Australia today that you tout it as some kind of success, that should go with the knowledge that Australians are better armed now than they were before.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

引用自 Goose：

it worked for australia, they had ONE mass shooting, and took away the guns.
and wouldn't you know, it worked.

and the argument of "what about black market guns?" doesn't hold up, because black market firearms are about as expensive as a new car.

If they only had one, then how do you know it worked?

Because their hope for Austraillia is a lie.

If we google mass shootings and look at anything after 1996 we can come up with various mass shooting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-63952882

Here's an article about 6 dead in mass shootings last year.

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Ulfrinn：

If they only had one, then how do you know it worked?

Because their hope for Austraillia is a lie.

If we google mass shootings and look at anything after 1996 we can come up with various mass shooting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-63952882

Here's an article about 6 dead in mass shootings last year.

Aah, so Australia had one just a few months ago?... But hey, "only in America" right?

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

引用自 Snow ☯：

Because their hope for Austraillia is a lie.

If we google mass shootings and look at anything after 1996 we can come up with various mass shooting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-63952882

Here's an article about 6 dead in mass shootings last year.

Aah, so Australia had one just a few months ago?... But hey, "only in America" right?

Well at least their government hasn't turned tyrannical or anything. Like imagine if there was a highly survivable virus and they told people that if you go outside you'll be arrested and thrown into a special camp. ....boy if that had that happen to them after they banned guns they'd sure have egg on their face.

[Xero_Daxter]

引用自 Vakers：

引用自 Xero_Daxter：

People who are opposed to guns… let’s say you live in the middle of nowhere and multiple bad guys busted in your house (with guns) and the nearest police station is 20 miles away?

Even if you did have a gun, do you really think it's a good idea to try to win a shootout with multiple people?

It gives you a fighting chance. The odds are more in your favor if you teach your family how to use them as well.

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Ulfrinn：

Aah, so Australia had one just a few months ago?... But hey, "only in America" right?

Well at least their government hasn't turned tyrannical or anything. Like imagine if there was a highly survivable virus and they told people that if you go outside you'll be arrested and thrown into a special camp. ....boy if that had that happen to them after they banned guns they'd sure have egg on their face.

At this point, it's not even worth trying to debate with people once they bring up Australia or claim it's a US thing, because at that point you know they're just parroting the common disinformation that makes it's rounds on television, and is easily debunked with a search that takes about 10 seconds, and if they're unwilling to put in those 10 seconds in order to have the correct information before getting involved, then there's nothing to gain trying to talk to them.

[Xero_Daxter]

Also police have no duty to protect you. They do what is best for themselves. If you’re held hostage and used as a human shield you’re basically expendable if he decides to shoot at the police.

[Darth Triggerus ☯]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

引用自 Snow ☯：

Well at least their government hasn't turned tyrannical or anything. Like imagine if there was a highly survivable virus and they told people that if you go outside you'll be arrested and thrown into a special camp. ....boy if that had that happen to them after they banned guns they'd sure have egg on their face.

At this point, it's not even worth trying to debate with people once they bring up Australia or claim it's a US thing, because at that point you know they're just parroting the common disinformation that makes it's rounds on television, and is easily debunked with a search that takes about 10 seconds, and if they're unwilling to put in those 10 seconds in order to have the correct information before getting involved, then there's nothing to gain trying to talk to them.

The folks in America bringing up gun control arent' honest with their debate.

Here's a question to the anti-gunners out there. Suicide is included in the American stat and used as a reason of why we should ban guns. Trans-folk have an attempted suicide rating of 45%, does this mean trans-folk shouldn't be able to purchase guns?

[chocolate donut]

Classic OT, somehow bringing trans suicide statistics into a gun debate.

[funewchie]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

引用自 Snow ☯：

Because their hope for Austraillia is a lie.

If we google mass shootings and look at anything after 1996 we can come up with various mass shooting.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-63952882

Here's an article about 6 dead in mass shootings last year.

Aah, so Australia had one just a few months ago?... But hey, "only in America" right?

And Germany a week or so ago.
Wonderful world we live in, huh?

[Pocahawtness]

引用自 Slayrix：

Like seriously, what will banning guns really do to solve mass shootings? We already have a test group of people who are not legally allowed to own guns, those people being felons. Yet you see felons all over the place armed, if we make it illegal for all people to have guns the people who still want guns will just do what the felons did to get a gun illegally. It's called the black market and it's why despite drugs being illegal, people are still using them. So what will banning guns really do other than take away guns from the honest people who will only acquire a gun legally?

Edit: People don't get the fact that America has had guns since its literal birth, our founders said, "Yeah, everyone can legally have a cannon if they want." Yeah, countries that never had guns in their veins will find it quite easy to outlaw all of them, they were never there to begin with. Our founders encouraged our people to go out there and get a gun. Guns are every where in America and it's been like that forever. Not every country is like that and that is why banning them worked so easily. It's just not that easy for America to do at this point, try and take a gun away from a man who doesn't want to give away his gun, see how that goes, you better go in armed yourself, but you won't be, because you are actively trying to outlaw them...

That's not true. There are other countries that have allowed guns and subsequently banned them successfully. Thing is, though, it takes a very long time for a ban to take effect. Especially in America, where you guys seem to be obsessed with guns, it would take a very long time for guns to disappear from society - so they are less available (especially to criminals). Your best bet would be to progressively ban more and more types over the coming decades. Slowly, so people can still get guns for self defence, but they can't say buy assault rifles. But, no, there is no solution that will suddenly work "tomorrow".

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Ulfrinn：

At this point, it's not even worth trying to debate with people once they bring up Australia or claim it's a US thing, because at that point you know they're just parroting the common disinformation that makes it's rounds on television, and is easily debunked with a search that takes about 10 seconds, and if they're unwilling to put in those 10 seconds in order to have the correct information before getting involved, then there's nothing to gain trying to talk to them.

The folks in America bringing up gun control arent' honest with their debate.

Here's a question to the anti-gunners out there. Suicide is included in the American stat and used as a reason of why we should ban guns. Trans-folk have an attempted suicide rating of 45%, does this mean trans-folk shouldn't be able to purchase guns?

I doubt most of the people who bring it up are even American. Or else they'd know all of that. Since they don't all they can do is parrot what they hear on TV.

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 funewchie：

引用自 Ulfrinn：

Aah, so Australia had one just a few months ago?... But hey, "only in America" right?

And Germany a week or so ago.
Wonderful world we live in, huh?

The weird part is the people who try so hard to convince us they care about the US, just want to stick their fingers in their ears and scream whenever you mention Europe. Meaning they're willing to ignore the problems there as it gets worse just so they can continue to pretend the policies they supported actually work. It seems like the worse thing they could ever imagine having to do, is admit they were wrong. It's become so tribal.

[Dracoco OwO]

引用自 Snow ☯：

引用自 Ulfrinn：

At this point, it's not even worth trying to debate with people once they bring up Australia or claim it's a US thing, because at that point you know they're just parroting the common disinformation that makes it's rounds on television, and is easily debunked with a search that takes about 10 seconds, and if they're unwilling to put in those 10 seconds in order to have the correct information before getting involved, then there's nothing to gain trying to talk to them.

The folks in America bringing up gun control arent' honest with their debate.

Here's a question to the anti-gunners out there. Suicide is included in the American stat and used as a reason of why we should ban guns. Trans-folk have an attempted suicide rating of 45%, does this mean trans-folk shouldn't be able to purchase guns?

Honestly i'm gonna say yes, because clearly they aren't all well in their heads most of the time to the point they will be harmfull to themselves and others pretty often.