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Roko's Basilisk
Anyone familiar with Roko's Basilisk? Thoughts on it?
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Dexious Emera 31 AGO 2020 a las 6:59 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Publicado originalmente por Dexious Emera:
Looked it up


Stupid concept

Explain how it is a stupid concept.
Seriously, do people not grasp how this even works?

ah yes a robot in the future is going to care about what people in the past did and go out of its way to do some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥


this is literally the same bullcrap as gods in religion

Última edición por Dexious Emera; 31 AGO 2020 a las 7:02 a. m.
ileryon 31 AGO 2020 a las 7:00 a. m. 
If my understanding of this topic is rigid enough to not fall under its own weight, I'm certain this Bassilisk thing is as dumb as it comes.

There's no way to prove it right nor wrong, therefore it must be right? It's an objective truth based on posits and unproven theories.
Magma Dragoon 31 AGO 2020 a las 7:42 a. m. 
It's absurd. Even if it were true it is irrelevant because I have no way to support or oppose the construction of any supercomputers. It's even more absurd if the simulation started in the stone age.

Only people with big brains (mostly hot air) can believe convoluted absurdity, "stupid" people can't grasp the complex rationale and just see the absurdity.
Puggly the Grey 31 AGO 2020 a las 7:43 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

It's literally impossible to claim Roko's Basilisk has anything to do with Pascal's wager.

Do people just not understand how Roko's Basilisk even works?

Also, the technology level it proposes is only a good 60 years into the future at a minimum, the idea that Humanity will vanish before that happens is laughable.
Humanity will colonize Mars, and the atmosphere of Venus before we get wiped out of existence.

Insulting Roko's Basilisk also insults everyone who died or went mad after learning about it.
You can't go and disrespect people who literally died because of this.
No one's died by Pascal's Wager!

ALso, the idea that only mentally broken people, for lack of a better term were the only ones affected by Roko's Basilisk is blatantly insulting and rude, and has zero evidence to prove it.

No, Roko's Bubblefish is functionally identical to Pascal's Wager, if you can't see how the structure in the logic for both is exactly the same, then that's on you. But to try and clarify just a bit, when people say that RB and PW are the same thing, that's typically with the inherent inclusion of the Many Basilisks addendum.

As for the technology it proposes, it requires such vast levels of resources and energy, that it would in actuality take us 5 centuries at least to get to that level of energy output, especially with all these Oil and Coal barons constantly fighting to prevent technological progress.

Also, I don't think you understand what it would actually mean to "colonize" Mars. We're not going to terra-form it, we lack both the technology and the abundance of resources needed to do this. The current plan for expansion onto Mars, is to build sealed settlements that can recycle air and water. Everything else that the people on Mars would need, however; be it medicine, clothing, food, bandages, and so on, would only be available via supply drops from Earth. If anything happened to wipe out human life on Earth, the humans on Mars might be able to keep going for another 30-50 years, depending on how many supplies they had left before whatever event took Earth humans down, but after that a slow death by starvation is all that awaits them.

Furthermore, the concept of humanity dying out as soon as within the next 30 years is entirely plausible. Between the Yellowstone super Volcano; which is expected to erupt again sometime in the next 15-25 years, the next magnetic solar pulse; which is expected to hit the Earth in the next 20-30 years, and the effects of man-made pollution, we'll be lucky if any remnant of our species is still alive by 2070, let alone any later than that.

Anyone who killed themselves because of a ♥♥♥♥ post on Reddit deserves to be insulted and disrespected. They already made absolute fools of themselves and lost all dignity by being so easily broken. Quite frankly, I can go and disrespect whomever I please, and you have no authority to say otherwise.

Finally, I didn't say that only mentally ill people would believe this, you seem to have inferred that yourself for some reason. If I claimed that, for instance, you only believe it because you're Autistic, that wouldn't even make sense, for I am myself Autistic. I also have SPD, OCPD, and GAD, each a distinct and aggravating neurological disorder in their own right, and even I don't believe this hogwash.

In other words, you don't believe in Roko's Burgerdish because you're mentally ill, you believe in it because you're a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot.
Puggly the Grey 31 AGO 2020 a las 8:26 a. m. 
Three super-eruptions at Yellowstone appear to have occurred on a 600,000-700,000 year cycle starting 2.1 million years ago. The most recent took place 640,000 years ago – suggesting Yellowstone is overdue for an eruption. Now granted, this doesn't guarantee that another super eruption will happen soon, and I couldn't find the 15 years estimate, so I'm not sure where I got that from, sorry if I spread any misinformation there.

As for Mars, yes, it would require us to focus all of our resources on it, but only a tiny handful of people are willing to do that, so that's not going anywhere.

I wasn't referring to climate change when I said man-made pollution, but you can add that as-well, which just makes it worse. Ice melting is the least of our problems, see Australia being STILL on fire, California being on fire once again, the Arctic circle being STILL on fire, the ecological collapse of ecosystems all around the globe, the poisoning of the oceans and destruction of coral reefs, this ♥♥♥♥ doesn't happen in a vacuum, and it is absolutely going to kill us all, but that has nothing to do with Roko's Bucketlist.

Furthermore, misspelling it is indeed childish and stupid, which is why it is perfectly fitting in this case, because this so-called "thought experiment" is itself stupid and childish. And I don't give a damn about my credibility in this conversation, because anyone who tries to un-ironically argue for RB has already forfeited all credibility they previously had.

Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, it's not Roko's Barberfist that makes me mad, it's the morons who vehemently insist that it's true, and who subsequently get angry and make a YouTube rant video about it whenever someone explains how stupid their world view is.
Morphic 31 AGO 2020 a las 8:35 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Seriously, why are people so angry over it?

I don't really think people are getting angry over it. What you are seeing is probably due to reactions to your comments. IMO, you are coming off as defending it as if you were invested. I mean a comment like this:

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Explain how it is a stupid concept.
Seriously, do people not grasp how this even works?

is rather antagonistic or defensive merely because someone thought it was a stupid concept.

So that's why you're getting blowback IMO.

Also is there proof people died from this? I decided to dig a bit deeper than I originally did... and started finding a lot of the "Deaths" are basically from the words of reddit users. Which I'm not entirely convinced are true. Like I said, doesn't help the Moderator freaked out and deleted everything to "protect the lives of our users" on LessWrong.
Última edición por Morphic; 31 AGO 2020 a las 8:37 a. m.
Starbug 31 AGO 2020 a las 8:50 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Also, the Arctic Circle cannot be on fire, that's not how physics work at all. THere's nothing to burn there at all. Period. There is literally nothing that can burn there. It's literally ice.

The Arctic circle isn't all ice. It's just a geographic area. Temperatures higher than 30c are regularly recorded there.
Puggly the Grey 31 AGO 2020 a las 8:58 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Starbug:
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Also, the Arctic Circle cannot be on fire, that's not how physics work at all. THere's nothing to burn there at all. Period. There is literally nothing that can burn there. It's literally ice.

The Arctic circle isn't all ice. It's just a geographic area. Temperatures higher than 30c are regularly recorded there.
^This, I almost couldn’t believe that david here didn’t know what the Arctic Circle is.

But yeah, it encompasses all the land around the Arctic, not just the Arctic itself.
This includes Tundras, mountain ranges and so on, and their have been uncharacteristic fires raging across these biomes for a while now.

Also, here’s an educational thingy that talks about that magnetic pulse...er...thing.

https://youtu.be/oHHSSJDJ4oo
Última edición por Puggly the Grey; 31 AGO 2020 a las 8:59 a. m.
ileryon 31 AGO 2020 a las 9:13 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
IT's not so much it's true, as some people would err on the side of caution and think it is.

That being said, it's far more complicated than some people make it out to be.
This being the whole "quantum mechanics" aspect of it?
Masque 31 AGO 2020 a las 9:17 a. m. 
It would also be prudent to note that Australia isn't burning because of Global Warming or Climate Change. Australia is burning because certain people we are not allowed to notice are doing what they promised and planned to do, and committing arson for their mad god.
Amygdala 31 AGO 2020 a las 9:50 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por N-95 Masque of Clavicus Vile:
It would also be prudent to note that Australia isn't burning because of Global Warming or Climate Change. Australia is burning because certain people we are not allowed to notice are doing what they promised and planned to do, and committing arson for their mad god.
Realm of the Mad God is real?
Puggly the Grey 31 AGO 2020 a las 10:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por davidb11:
Look, I made a mistake regarding the Arctic Circle, okay?
Can we not beat me up on that.
I goofed.
https://youtu.be/GJDNkVDGM_s
Puggly the Grey 31 AGO 2020 a las 10:26 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por N-95 Masque of Clavicus Vile:
It would also be prudent to note that Australia isn't burning because of Global Warming or Climate Change. Australia is burning because certain people we are not allowed to notice are doing what they promised and planned to do, and committing arson for their mad god.
https://youtu.be/YsoC3K96BKA
BigBallinChester 31 AGO 2020 a las 1:09 p. m. 
You do not have to worry too much about Roko's Basilisk. There are two versions of it. One version is if you hear about it and you try to stop it, it will replicate you to torture you. The other one is if you hear it and do nothing(like not telling others) it will replicate you and torture you.

It's eseentially a chain letter of theories which is why it's usually laughed at but if you still feel uneasy about I might have a small solution for you. We do not know what exactly can even help The AI to be built and we do not have the technology for such a thing right now. Telling other people will not help increase the speed in which it will be developed because technology doesn't just pop out of thin air. So there is nothing you can do if you want to help and if that isn't enough for you, simply not getting in the way of someone who is developing the AI is good enough.
Amygdala 31 AGO 2020 a las 1:22 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Cracius:
You do not have to worry too much about Roko's Basilisk. There are two versions of it. One version is if you hear about it and you try to stop it, it will replicate you to torture you. The other one is if you hear it and do nothing(like not telling others) it will replicate you and torture you.

It's eseentially a chain letter of theories which is why it's usually laughed at but if you still feel uneasy about I might have a small solution for you. We do not know what exactly can even help The AI to be built and we do not have the technology for such a thing right now. Telling other people will not help increase the speed in which it will be developed because technology doesn't just pop out of thin air. So there is nothing you can do if you want to help and if that isn't enough for you, simply not getting in the way of someone who is developing the AI is good enough.
Paying taxes, working a job for a business that pays taxes, buying anything ever which the business uses to pay taxes, which would go into university grants/research building the Basilisk, just by being alive you help build the Basilisk, ez pz
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