Roko's Basilisk

[Ash]

Anyone familiar with Roko's Basilisk? Thoughts on it?

[Morphic]

Publicado originalmente por davidb11:

We are aware people have died from Roko's Basilisk, right?
Which makes it actually a real hazard.

If no one's died from it, at the very least, they've become suicidal.
I suggest everyone here do significant research on Roko's Basilisk[..]

Yeah it's horrible people took their own lives because of a mere idea or concept.

However, for someone to have such anxiety/panic attacks and spiral into depression or even suicide begs the question of their mental health and state of mind upon learning the Roko's Basilisk.

Was it really the thought itself that caused them to spiral downward? Or was it simply the "last straw" that broke their mental back? From what I understand, the people that actually took their lives or needed therapy for sudden onset depression were already struggling or had previous medical/mental problems.

Of course it didn't help that Moderators immediately deleted and banned the person who first posted the Thought Experiment on Less Wrong. IMO, this only encouraged people to "freak out" since, when asked, the Moderator said that it was "dangerous" and the deletion was to "protect people".

[Masque]

I'm more afraid of Goku's Basilisk.

Especially after it spends five episodes powering up for Spirit Bomb.

[Magma Dragoon]

Maximally enlightened 200 quintillion IQ pop science forum fedora tippers invented a quantum (so you know it's legit) multiverse religion but then some guy said "what if it's a simulation?" so they excommunicated him and then killed themselves.

I think intellectuals should periodically spend some time doing forced labor to keep them from thinking so much.

[Grendalcat]

Publicado originalmente por ashe:

Anyone familiar with Roko's Basilisk? Thoughts on it?

Epic level silliness.

[ileryon]

Pretty dumb, yet thought inducing.

[ileryon]

Good for ya

[SMIFFY]

And yet you're the one getting hysterical over this.

[ileryon]

Publicado originalmente por SMIFFY:

And yet you're the one getting hysterical over this.

Are you saying your stereotype of autism applies to him?

[SMIFFY]

If the shoe fits...

[ileryon]

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[RRW359]

Publicado originalmente por SMIFFY:

And yet you're the one getting hysterical over this.

Even if he was acting unreasonable, why are you assuming everybody with Asburgers or other forms of Autism would freak out about this? Or if someone did, the only explaination is that they have Autism. I'd like to hear what you think Autism is and why you think it's so bad you should use it as an insult.

[Roxor]

Knows about the thought of it but i pretty much didn't care since this is like some religion works

-"The only way you can be saved from eternal damnation is through accepting our belief."
-"What if i didn't know about that will i go to hell and be punished?"
-"No, God did not punish somebody to those who never heard of his teaching"
-"So then why did you tell me?"

Also probably the only problem with this thing is i prefer Pasta or cute animals like Cats and Dogs more than basilisk hundreds to thousands times.

[Puggly the Grey]

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

Isn't that just an AI version of Pascal's Wager?

Yes, which makes it even less threatening.

Pascal’s Wager is designed to discredit all those religions that claim to be the one true faith, but at least their beliefs are based around the presumption of something already existing that might punish you.

Roko’s Bubblefish is based on the idea of something that might exist in the far future, and which might torture a virtual imitation of you, which is just pointless, and dumb.
The first issue here is that this...concept, I don’t want to even give it the dignity of calling it a “thought experiment”, presumes that humanity will actually survive long enough to reach this proposed level of technological advancement.

We won’t.

But even if we somehow did, the other misstep this concept makes is that it assumes that we humans living today would actually give a ♥♥♥♥ about a virtual imitation of ourselves being tortured.
It’s like when Oneyplays tried to argue that a clone of Hitler with Hitler’s memories would be the real Hitler.
That’s not how clones work, it might think it’s Hitler, but it will always be but a false duplicate, never the real one.

[Ash]

Publicado originalmente por Puggly the Grey:

Publicado originalmente por RRW359:

Isn't that just an AI version of Pascal's Wager?

Yes, which makes it even less threatening.

Pascal’s Wager is designed to discredit all those religions that claim to be the one true faith, but at least their beliefs are based around the presumption of something already existing that might punish you.

Roko’s Bubblefish is based on the idea of something that might exist in the far future, and which might torture a virtual imitation of you, which is just pointless, and dumb.
The first issue here is that this...concept, I don’t want to even give it the dignity of calling it a “thought experiment”, presumes that humanity will actually survive long enough to reach this proposed level of technological advancement.

We won’t.

But even if we somehow did, the other misstep this concept makes is that it assumes that we humans living today would actually give a ♥♥♥♥ about a virtual imitation of ourselves being tortured.
It’s like when Oneyplays tried to argue that a clone of Hitler with Hitler’s memories would be the real Hitler.
That’s not how clones work, it might think it’s Hitler, but it will always be but a false duplicate, never the real one.

I disagree with your premise that an identical copy is not the same as the original. If there are no fundamental differences between one or the other, then they are the same. And before you say "well what if there are two of you, which is the real one?", I suggest you look up the no cloning theorem.

[Dexious Emera]

Looked it up


Stupid concept