Jesus was socialist

[s w e k]

Quoted from Matthew 19:21-24:

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Capitalism encourages infinite consumption and encourages people and organizations to pursue wealth and indulgence. It also encourages consumerism as companies' main goal is profit. When Jesus says "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor," and "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God" this is adamantly opposed to the ideals of capitalists and, in fact, more closely aligns to the pillars of socialism

How do those that support capitalism and believe in Christianity reconcile this contradiction? Especially when Jesus was clearly a socialist

[Rio]

I thought juno and zeus were the same guy. Like zeus = jupiter.

[I throw ball at you]

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I thought juno and zeus were the same guy. Like zeus = jupiter.

Romans copied Greece Mythology and made their own version, though they share the same name

[[H.E.] ✟ GrandEmperorVandheer ✟]

That's actually a good verse by the way. I'm glad there are some Steam Users who is currently reading, studying, and sharing the Bible to members of the Steam Community.

Very nice!

[Alliesaurus]

Mighty swek made a topic?! Now this is a rare occurrence!

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I thought juno and zeus were the same guy. Like zeus = jupiter.

Romans copied Greece Mythology and made their own version, though they share the same name

Over time it turned into the religious equivalent of the MCU too

[tmwfte]

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I thought juno and zeus were the same guy. Like zeus = jupiter.

No. Juno is cognate with Hera. You're probably thinking of Jove as the other Jupiter/Zeus name.

[Sidakte]

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I thought juno and zeus were the same guy. Like zeus = jupiter.

Juno was the Roman equivalent of our Hera. Zeus became Jupiter/Jove in Rome.

[Incarnate]

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I'm pretty sure that Jesus Christ of Nazareth was against the state. I'm also pretty sure that means he would not have been a socialist, given that socialism can only exist alongside the state. The same with communism.

Yeah, Marxists are all about the state and specifically against religion. Anyone remember the "opiate of the masses" spiel?

If Jesus was to return today he would hate modern-day China and Venezuela. Not that he would like the Vatican either.

Hating materialism and greed does not equal communism.

[Adversary]

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Yes but that is why much of his libertarian rhetoric is in the Apocrypha, as Constantine did not think that said ideals would assist in his agenda. The Bible is essentially a bibliographical mixtape commissioned by a concussed schizophrenic cuckold who wanted to use the teachings of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as a weapon of war and subjugation. A cudgel meant to aid in conquest and thus help establish the Holy Roman Empire.

Course, you've also got to think in the parlance of the period in which it was written when interpreting it. Lot of people don't get that Christ wasn't about submission, he was about fighting smartly. That's what turning the other cheek was about - defying those who would seek to subjugate and silence you.

Because back then if you weren't a Roman and you talked ♥♥♥♥, you'd get hit. So when someone deems it fit to silence your dissent, present the other cheek. I know it's a tangent but really, a lot of good values to live by in my honest opinion.

Especially when you consider that Buddha said a lot of the same stuff.

yes the Council of Nicea. where the Nicene Creed took effect.
both of Testaments were heavily chopped in that Council, specially the New one.
the way i perceive him if he ever existed of course he was against all authority, against violence and pretty much wanted to make people to get that they could live peacefully freely and evolve together but not as a hive mind either.

there is also the take that he actually went on a journey to the East for some years, i think between 18 and 30, and by that time he had already come in contact with Buddhist philosophy and many claim that Christianity is directly influenced from Buddhism. which i don't find irrational, there are plenty common grounds on both religions (ofc from the pov of an atheist and that could lead to some bias ofc).

It's quite possible that the inspirations for Jesus Christ of Nazareth and the Buddha met at one point and compared notes. Course, some people cite Apollonius of Tyana as a real-life inspiration for the former. It's possible that perhaps they met with the equivalent for the Buddha.

Plus there were some records in I think India or thereabout. A ledger which claims that Christ stayed at an inn in that region around that period of time. Unsure if whether or not they are legitimate, but that's more food for thought I guess. That and the monument in Japan which claims to be his grave, but it also claims that he had a twin brother who was also Japanese for some reason.

Knowing what I know about the Catholic Church and the crimes against humanity that their missionaries brought to that part of the world, which in turn is in part why it is a JRPG trope for God to be the final boss, I doubt the legitimacy of that monument. Plus the whole trope of depicting him as multiracial - in the sense that white people portray Christ as white, black people portray him as black, Latinos portray him as Latino, et cetera - is just a quirk of human psychology and cultural anthropology overlapping.

In part how proselytes pitched him, and in part how the people interpreted said preaching. Plus he was from the Levant region so naturally he would have been Mediterranean and thus Southern European.

[Electric Cupcake]

Jesus and Buddha are BFFs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpZciI9-9i0

[Sidakte]

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It's quite possible that the inspirations for Jesus Christ of Nazareth and the Buddha met at one point and compared notes. Course, some people cite Apollonius of Tyana as a real-life inspiration for the former. It's possible that perhaps they met with the equivalent for the Buddha.

Plus there were some records in I think India or thereabout. A ledger which claims that Christ stayed at an inn in that region around that period of time. Unsure if whether or not they are legitimate, but that's more food for thought I guess. That and the monument in Japan which claims to be his grave, but it also claims that he had a twin brother who was also Japanese for some reason.

Knowing what I know about the Catholic Church and the crimes against humanity that their missionaries brought to that part of the world, which in turn is in part why it is a JRPG trope for God to be the final boss, I doubt the legitimacy of that monument. Plus the whole trope of depicting him as multiracial - in the sense that white people portray Christ as white, black people portray him as black, Latinos portray him as Latino, et cetera - is just a quirk of human psychology and cultural anthropology overlapping.

In part how proselytes pitched him, and in part how the people interpreted said preaching. Plus he was from the Levant region so naturally he would have been Mediterranean and thus Southern European.

with Buddha in the sense of Siddhartha Gautama himself as Buddha means "the awakened" probably never met.
Christ died around ~30 - 33 AD, around 30 to 38 years old at the time according to Christian tradition.
Siddhartha died 483 BCE or 400 BCE (aged 80 at the time) according to Buddhist tradition respectively.

himself as Jesus though probably did came in contact with the abundant philosophy in his journey, which is also hypothetical because from the age of 18 to 30 there aren't much data to be found for that specific era. but judging from the sole fact that both religions have some common grounds, one could assume that this is probable Buddhist influence that could even reach the current Buddha at the time. i do not find a certain flaw in that theory personally.

what happened in that time no one can tell for sure at this point yet. historical evidence are required. it is 12 whole years that there are no data for his life. anything could occur.

[craigsters]

https://youtu.be/6FigprdcBGA?si=yzATibtqlHxBv7nF

[Raelic]

I think the main distinction being lost here is that socialism requires government to take and give. I don't think Jesus would have been into that. It was more of a willingly providing for others thing IMO.

[Professor]

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Yeah, Marxists are all about the state and specifically against religion.

Maybe I am being naive as I understand Marxism to be primarily a philosophy of economic & political doctrine. It is mainly an ideology based on PRODUCTION & SOCIETY as it seems to reference governments as a societal tool to make those changes.

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If Jesus was to return today he would hate modern-day China and Venezuela. Not that he would like the Vatican either.

That is only because we may be failing to see it through their eyes. Yes it looks bad but perhaps we dont properly understand the situation they are in. Just like greed creates the desire to steal, where as starvation creates the need to steal.

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Hating materialism and greed does not equal communism.

With this I totally agree.

[nohuman]

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While I preached those things, I don't subscribe to any political ideology. Just, like, don't be greedy, bro. Pass me some a dat, you feel me?

Aren't you dead?