The Bible can't logically explain dinosaurs

[Slayrix]

In the Bible on day six ALL living things are created. But how can that be if the fall hasn't happened yet? When it says ALL living animals that means carnivores too, but if it's before the fall then death cannot occur, even to animals. So how could things such as carnivores, things like T-Rexes live for thousands, maybe millions of years while Adam and Eve were in the garden, without a single bit of food? That would have to mean in the beginning carnivores didn't exist and instead EVOLVED after the fall, but then that doesn't work either because evolution completely rips apart a bunch of religious ideas. We know dinosaurs exist, we know T-Rexes exist, yet the Bible cannot possibly explain it logically how they came to exist.

Also according to the Bible's logic since carnivores couldn't have possibly lived before the fall, that means the only way T-Rexes could have ever come to be is if humans co-existed with dinosaurs. But we have not been able to find any evidence that humans live even close to the time period of dinosaurs, so how does that work?

Things just don't add up here.

[BooHoo]

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Pirate☠️Pocah:

I never read the Quran, so I can't say about that, but the bible was written by men, not God, so how can you expect it to cover things that man didn't know about?

Yes, even when assuming those books somehow reflect God's will, they were passed-on and written-down by humans, which are terrible at keeping even their own history together.
Islam even acknowledges this as tahrif - though of course only for the other Abrahamic religions.
Time takes its toll… or should I say tariff…

Qur'an is Book of Miracles...The numericals facts Confirms it's authenticity.

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (♥♥♥♥♥) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

[SirKnechtalot]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ⁧⁧mav                  :

bible is not part of Quran, Quran is the word of God revealed to the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him through the angel Gabriel, Claiming it is "copy and pasted" from the bible is nonsense, considering at the time of the prophet there were no bible translations in arabic, and linguistic experts at the time agreed there was no other works like it, and found it impossible to replicate. It is a guidance for all of man kind, directly revealed to our beloved Prophet (pbuh) and memorized word by word, letter by letter, for over 1400 years.

Geezuz´s a prophet and his teachings´re integrated into muslim faith. And of course various other religions were integrated into islam. The moon was allways part of fertility gods rites and that´s why it´s part of the muslim calendar.
The first muslims were mu`tazilla who built the bait al hikma the bygone golden age of islam. The backwards killed them all and nowadays main line islam´s just a nutjob parody. In catholicism at least the jesuits survived.

[AdahnGorion]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Darkie:

Most of those came true, ages ago

None of that came true.

Again as I said. It is true where I live. There is free healthcare and free education.
It is just that many other places don´t have this, like in the land of the status quo

Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af kilésengati:

Yes, even when assuming those books somehow reflect God's will, they were passed-on and written-down by humans, which are terrible at keeping even their own history together.
Islam even acknowledges this as tahrif - though of course only for the other Abrahamic religions.
Time takes its toll… or should I say tariff…

Qur'an is Book of Miracles...The numericals facts Confirms it's authenticity.

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (♥♥♥♥♥) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

subhanallah verily the miracles of Allah SWT are visible to those who are observant

[BooHoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Darkie:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Snow ☯:

None of that came true.

Again as I said. It is true where I live. There is free healthcare and free education.
It is just that many other places don´t have this, like in the land of the status quo

Why don't you reveal your Localion so we can verify your claims ?

[AdahnGorion]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Darkie:

Again as I said. It is true where I live. There is free healthcare and free education.
It is just that many other places don´t have this, like in the land of the status quo

Why don't you reveal your Localion so we can verify your claims ?

Most people know I am scandinavian, so its not that hard to deduct.

[BooHoo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ⁧⁧mav                  :

Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Qur'an is Book of Miracles...The numericals facts Confirms it's authenticity.

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (♥♥♥♥♥) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

subhanallah verily the miracles of Allah SWT are visible to those who are observant

No human can Write a Coherent Book which has such deep layers of meaningful Numerical sequences which only to be discovered by Modern computer.

That's why Allah Challenged all Humans to write 3 verse like Qur'an and no one could do it. Not even the worst haters.

[SirKnechtalot]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Reported for islamphobia

Go on and censor what doesn´t fit in your worldview just like your merica culture warriors do.
The backward loons of the US Taliban love to censor just as the backward muslims.

The mu´tazilla were the real muslims. Nowaday schools´re the most twisted teachings of this faith- deal with it. Just as merica and it´s nutjob christians´re just the most backward parodies.

[SirKnechtalot]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ⁧⁧mav                  :

Mu’tazilah were hadith deniers, reject some core doctrines of Islam such that God is all knowing, or of the Quran being uncreated and co-eternal with God,..

In essence they claimed humans cannot ever understand "god" just like jesuits and others. Of course the "take holy books literal" nutjobs deny this and that´s why they´re just a comical parody as taking ancient books literal is just crazy.
The mu`tazilla aren´t completely lost though and in memory of the bait al hikma Masdar´s being built right now. Of course the crackpots don´t like that either.

You know: it is quite comical to claim an allknowing timeless being needs you to perform x,y,z often involving murdering other people or calling for genocidal wars to secure holy sites like Yerushalem.

As long as religious people aren´t dangerous lunatics i don´t have a problem with them but as soon as they try to tell me what to do i become extremely hostile. If they choose to die in droves because of their illiterate gibberish oppinions i don´t care. If the nutjobs however become a threat like those antivaccine nutjobs or those holywar loons i advocate removing them from public spaces.

[Xero_Daxter]

Oprindeligt skrevet af SirKnechtalot:

Oprindeligt skrevet af ⁧⁧mav                  :

Mu’tazilah were hadith deniers, reject some core doctrines of Islam such that God is all knowing, or of the Quran being uncreated and co-eternal with God,..

In essence they claimed humans cannot ever understand "god" just like jesuits and others. Of course the "take holy books literal" nutjobs deny this and that´s why they´re just a comical parody as taking ancient books literal is just crazy.
The mu`tazilla aren´t completely lost though and in memory of the bait al hikma Masdar´s being built right now. Of course the crackpots don´t like that either.

You know: it is quite comical to claim an allknowing timeless being needs you to perform x,y,z often involving murdering other people or calling for genocidal wars to secure holy sites like Yerushalem.

As long as religious people aren´t dangerous lunatics i don´t have a problem with them but as soon as they try to tell me what to do i become extremely hostile. If they choose to die in droves because of their illiterate gibberish oppinions i don´t care. If the nutjobs however become a threat like those antivaccine nutjobs or those holywar loons i advocate removing them from public spaces.

You make a very compelling argument.

[kilésengati]

Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af kilésengati:

Yes, even when assuming those books somehow reflect God's will, they were passed-on and written-down by humans, which are terrible at keeping even their own history together.
Islam even acknowledges this as tahrif - though of course only for the other Abrahamic religions.
Time takes its toll… or should I say tariff…

Qur'an is Book of Miracles...The numericals facts Confirms it's authenticity.

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (♥♥♥♥♥) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

The Numerical Miracles might be checksums, they might be good writing that got preserved simply for its good writing, they might be cultural references, they might be proof for the Quran's validity. Who knows? Only a true prophet could, and the Quran was canonised only until after Mohammed's death - and that not even by an independent authority, but by a relative. There are at least two, but probably more, intermediaries between God and the Quran as we know it today: Mohammed, the prophet, of who in Islam we assume he spoke the truth, and Osman, who used his powers he gained ten years after Mohammeds death to order to compile the Quran. That's at least ten years of the scriptures existing without someone assuming authority over them. And it would take another ten years since his rise to power to complete the compilation. A lot can happen to data in twenty years, even in our age, where the Internet supposedly never forgets.

I respect what you believe in, but humans are pretty good at recognising and interpreting patterns.
I'm pretty sure we can also confirm Half-Life 3 with just about any writing, if we just pinch around the numbers enough.

I'm not saying that your believes are wrong or the Quran is - I don't know, and I don't claim to -, I'm just saying that it is arrogant to believe, despite evidence of man's poor ability at keeping records, holy scriptures - no matter from which religion - passed-on by man for tens if not hundreds or thousands of generations are somehow immune to human corruption.
If that were the case, Islam - as all great religions do not know such unity - would not know any sects and wouldn't have the necessity for religious scholars to study and seek the truth in the scriptures divine to the religion.

To prevent such human shortcomings, a religion would need either a God speaking directly and equally to every man, or every generation would need a pure, uncorrupted prophet as the voice of God.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Qur'an is Book of Miracles...The numericals facts Confirms it's authenticity.

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (♥♥♥♥♥) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

The Numerical Miracles might be checksums, they might be good writing that got preserved simply for its good writing, they might be cultural references, they might be proof for the Quran's validity. Who knows? Only a true prophet could, and the Quran was canonised only until after Mohammed's death - and that not even by an independent authority, but by a relative. There are at least two, but probably more, intermediaries between God and the Quran as we know it today: Mohammed, the prophet, of who in Islam we assume he spoke the truth, and Osman, who used his powers he gained ten years after Mohammeds death to order to compile the Quran. That's at least ten years of the scriptures existing without someone assuming authority over them. And it would take another ten years since his rise to power to complete the compilation. A lot can happen to data in twenty years, even in our age, where the Internet supposedly never forgets.

I respect what you believe in, but humans are pretty good at recognising and interpreting patterns.
I'm pretty sure we can also confirm Half-Life 3 with just about any writing, if we just pinch around the numbers enough.

I'm not saying that your believes are wrong or the Quran is - I don't know, and I don't claim to -, I'm just saying that it is arrogant to believe, despite evidence of man's poor ability at keeping records, holy scriptures - no matter from which religion - passed-on by man for tens if not hundreds or thousands of generations are somehow immune to human corruption.
If that were the case, Islam - as all great religions do not know such unity - would not know any sects and wouldn't have the necessity for religious scholars to study and seek the truth in the scriptures divine to the religion.

To prevent such human shortcomings, a religion would need either a God speaking directly and equally to every man, or every generation would need a pure, uncorrupted prophet as the voice of God.

why would how it is compiled matter if in the end we know it was preserved? don't you think the people who memorized the entire Quran during the time of the prophet (pbuh) would have corrected anything that was not how it was revealed?

Oprindeligt skrevet af kilésengati:

Oprindeligt skrevet af LOVEJoy:

Qur'an is Book of Miracles...The numericals facts Confirms it's authenticity.

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (♥♥♥♥♥) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

To prevent such human shortcomings, a religion would need either a God speaking directly and equally to every man, or every generation would need a pure, uncorrupted prophet as the voice of God.

also it is pretty arrogant for you to claim you know best over God who is all knowing, all wise. everything happens for a reason and God knows best.

[TwisterCat]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Plaid:

how would you know god knows all when you don't know all?
How on earth would you begin to wrap your head around everything?

Would a being able to create an entire universe not understand it?

[Plaid]

Oprindeligt skrevet af TwisterCat:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Plaid:

how would you know god knows all when you don't know all?
How on earth would you begin to wrap your head around everything?

Would a being able to create an entire universe not understand it?

See there's the rub. You claim to understand something you don't understand.