If drafted, would you go to war?

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If drafted, would you go to war?

[SvarogX]

Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

Escrito originalmente por starbuck:

ofc u do. Its ur life, ur body, ur choice if u want to die based on a bunch of lies invading another country who didnt want to go along with the new regime.
You always have a choice and hopefully do the right thing and refuse.

Is jail/execution the right choice when the former means either higher taxes or less social programs due to having to feed and house you, which either means people become destitute due to higher expences or join up themselves for extra money?

You don't seem to know the terms " draft dodging " ?

If I had the choice between trying to evade a draft and getting drafted and wasted within days or weeks, then I rather choose option 1 and evade the draft, which MANY men have done before me successfully.

[RRW359]

Escrito originalmente por Thalatos:

Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

Is jail/execution the right choice when the former means either higher taxes or less social programs due to having to feed and house you, which either means people become destitute due to higher expences or join up themselves for extra money?

You don't seem to know the terms " draft dodging " ?

If I had the choice between trying to evade a draft and getting drafted and wasted within days or weeks, then I rather choose option 1 and evade the draft, which MANY men have done before me successfully.

And many haven't done it successfully, often it depends on your economic status as to if you can successfully dodge it. Again forcing some low-income person to get drafted instead of you.

[SvarogX]

Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

Escrito originalmente por Thalatos:

You don't seem to know the terms " draft dodging " ?

If I had the choice between trying to evade a draft and getting drafted and wasted within days or weeks, then I rather choose option 1 and evade the draft, which MANY men have done before me successfully.

And many haven't done it successfully, often it depends on your economic status as to if you can successfully dodge it. Again forcing some low-income person to get drafted instead of you.

The amount of draftees who lose their life on the battlefield far outweighs the amount of non-draftees who succesfully dodged the draft OR were just locked up. In this case, outweighing it is not a good thing mate.

Also, what you are explaining is actually not as easy and not as common as you think. Especially not at a later stage during war.

I am well informed about current wars such as Ukraine due to having family there as well as past wars since my family fought in WW2. Either way, DODGING the draft is ALWAYS the better option, always has been and always will.

But hey, the military needs sheep who follow commands and get wasted. Feel free to follow the draft or volunteer, no one stops you.

[RRW359]

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Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

And many haven't done it successfully, often it depends on your economic status as to if you can successfully dodge it. Again forcing some low-income person to get drafted instead of you.

The amount of draftees who lose their life on the battlefield far outweighs the amount of non-draftees who succesfully dodged the draft OR were just locked up. In this case, outweighing it is not a good thing mate.

Also, what you are explaining is actually not as easy and not as common as you think. Especially not at a later stage during war.

I am well informed about current wars such as Ukraine due to having family there as well as past wars since my family fought in WW2. Either way, DODGING the draft is ALWAYS the better option, always has been and always will.

But hey, the military needs sheep who follow commands and get wasted. Feel free to follow the draft or volunteer, no one stops you.

The number of deaths would be the same regardless of how many people were locked up due to dodging. Especially if you want a jury trial and everyone has the same idea as you about not being willing to do things against their will; I'm not saying people are wrong for trying to get out of mandatory things but saying that everyone has a choice in the matter just blames people who were forced due to not having the resources to get out of the draft.

[SvarogX]

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Escrito originalmente por Thalatos:

The amount of draftees who lose their life on the battlefield far outweighs the amount of non-draftees who succesfully dodged the draft OR were just locked up. In this case, outweighing it is not a good thing mate.

Also, what you are explaining is actually not as easy and not as common as you think. Especially not at a later stage during war.

I am well informed about current wars such as Ukraine due to having family there as well as past wars since my family fought in WW2. Either way, DODGING the draft is ALWAYS the better option, always has been and always will.

But hey, the military needs sheep who follow commands and get wasted. Feel free to follow the draft or volunteer, no one stops you.

The number of deaths would be the same regardless of how many people were locked up due to dodging. Especially if you want a jury trial and everyone has the same idea as you about not being willing to do things against their will; I'm not saying people are wrong for trying to get out of mandatory things but saying that everyone has a choice in the matter just blames people who were forced due to not having the resources to get out of the draft.

You fail to understand my point.

What I am saying is, is that the chance of you dying in war is much much higher than you getting killed due to dodging the draft.

In Ukraine no one has been executed for dodging the draft so far. The ones caught were locked up unil they " volunteered " to fight OR hit with heavy sanctions.

I don't see why you keep talking about people who have no ressources to get ouf of a draft, you don't seem to comprehend what this topic is all about.

You always have a choice, your ressources just might give you an edge or they do not.

[RRW359]

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Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

The number of deaths would be the same regardless of how many people were locked up due to dodging. Especially if you want a jury trial and everyone has the same idea as you about not being willing to do things against their will; I'm not saying people are wrong for trying to get out of mandatory things but saying that everyone has a choice in the matter just blames people who were forced due to not having the resources to get out of the draft.

You fail to understand my point.

What I am saying is, is that the chance of you dying in war is much much higher than you getting killed due to dodging the draft.

In Ukraine no one has been executed for dodging the draft so far. The ones caught were locked up unil they " volunteered " to fight OR hit with heavy sanctions.

I don't see why you keep talking about people who have no ressources to get ouf of a draft, you don't seem to comprehend what this topic is all about.

You always have a choice, your ressources just might give you an edge or they do not.

What about killed due to not being able to afford anything because all of your money is being spent keeping people who dodged the draft incarcerated? And what are the statistics in past wars of how many people ended up unhoused after their stay in prison and dying from that?

[SvarogX]

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Escrito originalmente por Thalatos:

You fail to understand my point.

What I am saying is, is that the chance of you dying in war is much much higher than you getting killed due to dodging the draft.

In Ukraine no one has been executed for dodging the draft so far. The ones caught were locked up unil they " volunteered " to fight OR hit with heavy sanctions.

I don't see why you keep talking about people who have no ressources to get ouf of a draft, you don't seem to comprehend what this topic is all about.

You always have a choice, your ressources just might give you an edge or they do not.

What about killed due to not being able to afford anything because all of your money is being spent keeping people who dodged the draft incarcerated? And what are the statistics in past wars of how many people ended up unhoused after their stay in prison and dying from that?

They are not gonna kill the ones in prison as this would caue a major uproar in society and eliminates labor force.

In past war they did execute deserters, but not people who refused the draft, they were just forces, unless they did not manage to catch them.

At this point I don't even see the point you are trying to make. What exactly are you trying to tell us here ?

I am saying, dodging the draft is a better option than complying with getting drafted into a war and you are saying ? What exactly ?

[RRW359]

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Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

What about killed due to not being able to afford anything because all of your money is being spent keeping people who dodged the draft incarcerated? And what are the statistics in past wars of how many people ended up unhoused after their stay in prison and dying from that?

They are not gonna kill the ones in prison as this would caue a major uproar in society and eliminates labor force.

In past war they did execute deserters, but not people who refused the draft, they were just forces, unless they did not manage to catch them.

At this point I don't even see the point you are trying to make. What exactly are you trying to tell us here ?

I am saying, dodging the draft is a better option than complying with getting drafted into a war and you are saying ? What exactly ?

Of course they won't kill you. You'll end up in prison, be unhoused after the war due to your felony record making you unable to find employment, and die of exposure/starvation just like what happens to a lot of unhoused people. And if you have a family they will lose all that too because you can't help provide for them.

[SvarogX]

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Escrito originalmente por Thalatos:

They are not gonna kill the ones in prison as this would caue a major uproar in society and eliminates labor force.

In past war they did execute deserters, but not people who refused the draft, they were just forces, unless they did not manage to catch them.

At this point I don't even see the point you are trying to make. What exactly are you trying to tell us here ?

I am saying, dodging the draft is a better option than complying with getting drafted into a war and you are saying ? What exactly ?

Of course they won't kill you. You'll end up in prison, be unhoused after the war due to your felony record making you unable to find employment, and die of exposure/starvation just like what happens to a lot of unhoused people. And if you have a family they will lose all that too because you can't help provide for them.

No, after the war I would just leave the country and move to a free non-dictatorship that allows me to live like a human OR I would straight away leave the country if possible.

Draft dodging is an art man. I know many people in Ukraine that are doing it right now and it works perfectly well, their family is not suffering at all and supporting them in fact, I also know some people who dodged and deserted during WW2 and they also got away with it.

Again, what is your point ? We all know that there is a risk to dodging the draft, why are you explaining this ? No one here has said that its safe and easy.

But its still a significantly better option that following the draft and getting killed in a trench after a few days or a week or serving there for months and not even receiving salary and then getting out of it with PTSD, crippled or also killed.

During war like in Ukraine, its almost guaranteed that you get wasted or heavily damaged one way or another, its a death sentence. This is why people dodge the draft, hide in their country house, in some uncles basement and what not.

[BlueJC]

No. Maybe in 2009, love the country. Today I’ve been annoyed with the country enough to not care to fight for it at all, Good job everyone.

[SvarogX]

Escrito originalmente por BlueJC:

No. Maybe in 2009, love the country. Today I’ve been annoyed with the country enough to not care to fight for it at all, Good job everyone.

Imagine thinking you have a choice.

You either dodge it or get drafted. Americans don't know anything about the draft as their last one was during Vietnam.

[ZZZZZ]

Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

Escrito originalmente por Thalatos:

You don't seem to know the terms " draft dodging " ?

If I had the choice between trying to evade a draft and getting drafted and wasted within days or weeks, then I rather choose option 1 and evade the draft, which MANY men have done before me successfully.

And many haven't done it successfully, often it depends on your economic status as to if you can successfully dodge it. Again forcing some low-income person to get drafted instead of you.

the people who fail to dodge simply didnt properly try to dodge it.. u literally can just do basic stuff like walking in naked and they send u home

[SvarogX]

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Escrito originalmente por RRW359:

And many haven't done it successfully, often it depends on your economic status as to if you can successfully dodge it. Again forcing some low-income person to get drafted instead of you.

the people who fail to dodge simply didnt properly try to dodge it.. u literally can just do basic stuff like walking in naked and they send u home

Not that easy, but you can certainly behave instable. Worst case you just start crying like a child the whole time, they won't give you a gun in this state and even IF they put you in the military, you are gonna have some idiot proof position.

[G 80]

Absolutely not, war is a scam. And a VERY dangerous scam. Like you're either gonna die or get maimed, this is one you really shouldn't fall for.

[Hobbit XIII]

Escrito originalmente por Butch:

At this point I would not fight for America. I'd also be actively sabotaging my co-soldiers by doing things like putting chewing gum in their gun barrel and taking the shock plate out of their bulletproof vest.

However if Trump was arrested for his terrorist attack I'd have a completely different opinion.

why not go medic or health professional for rehab for soldiers injured?