Nintendo is suing the Zelda Leaker via Discord

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Nintendo is suing a leaker via Discord because he just posted pictures of the Artbook (not the Game) of the new upcoming Zelda Game. Notendo all over again.
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Someone using the name JustJulienOffic posted the leaked images on Reddit and then again on Discord as Julien#2743, which suggests that their real name probably is Julien and that they didn’t expect to be pursued by Nintendo.

To that end Nintendo has filed a DMCA subpoena that would force Discord to reveal who ‘Julien’ is, including their address, telephone number and email. So much for internet anonymity.

I hate Nintendo with a passion and so they do you

[Boblin the Goblin]

Bird a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

Which is still not the same as "If you don't aggressively defend it, you lose it."

Considering as well that the article you posted even talks about the copyright not being used for an extended period as grounds for abandonment.

Semantics. We're done here.

It isn't semantics. It's how the law works.

There's a reason it's worded the way it is.

[Brian9824]

Bird a écrit :

Sorry, your still wrong, multiple articles trumps your 1 random lawyer, as does actual US copyright which is set for a fixed time. You don't need to USE a copyright to keep it.

Unfortunately some unscrupulous lawyers try to take advantage of ignorant people and spread false messages like that. They usually end up getting disbarred though and new ones pop up.

Copyrights have a fixed duration, hence why they don't expire, unlike trademarks which can last indefinitely as long as they are used and enforced. Its why Winnie The Pooh and Steamboat mickey

You found the equivalent of an ambulance chaser lawyer for copyrights

Again, yet more sites confirming it
https://copyright.byu.edu/copyright-myths
https://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

There are quite a few cases, such as when Otis who lost its TRADEMARK case in the 1950's over the trademark Escalator

Or Thermos LLC who lost their trademark of Thermos in the 1960's

Or Chapstick, Aspirin, Yo-yo, etc. Fun fact all of them involved trademarks, their copyrights remain uneffected. So while someone can make their own brand of a thermos, they can't copy existing Thermo's as they are still trademarked.

So your still wrong

[Brian9824]

SlowMango a écrit :

Even in the article you cited, it literally states may show intent to abandon. As in, that is an argument someone can use to say it has been abandoned.

It does not mean it is abandoned. The copyright holder still holds the ownership until it is decided by a court.

It's the copyright equivalent of an ambulance chaser, basically that type of lawyer will try to defend people who are getting sued, and they often lose badly in court.

[B]

Lol. Nintendo hate hard on is still going strong. I'm still going to enjoy their games and systems. Have fun hating ya haters

[Birds]

SlowMango a écrit :

Bird a écrit :

Semantics. We're done here.

It isn't semantics. It's how the law works.

There's a reason it's worded the way it is.

Refusing to read the evidence presented, as in the case of my quote, and instead focusing on an unrelated clause in submitted documents, is grounds for contempt of court and the cessation of your case.

The semantics is arguing the point of my initial claim, which in practice is true even if it isn't a direct legal reality, is a semantical argument and of dubious merit in the face of the extreme weakness of the rest of your case.

brian9824 a écrit :

Bird a écrit :

Sorry, your still wrong, multiple articles trumps your 1 random lawyer, as does actual US copyright which is set for a fixed time. You don't need to USE a copyright to keep it.

Unfortunately some unscrupulous lawyers try to take advantage of ignorant people and spread false messages like that. They usually end up getting disbarred though and new ones pop up.

Copyrights have a fixed duration, hence why they don't expire, unlike trademarks which can last indefinitely as long as they are used and enforced. Its why Winnie The Pooh and Steamboat mickey

You found the equivalent of an ambulance chaser lawyer for copyrights

Switching defendant and proponent, misuse of chain of evidence, favoring the opinion of the news over that of the law.

Just terrible.

Again, yet more sites confirming it
https://copyright.byu.edu/copyright-myths
https://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

There are quite a few cases, such as when Otis who lost its TRADEMARK case in the 1950's over the trademark Escalator

Or Thermos LLC who lost their trademark of Thermos in the 1960's

Or Chapstick, Aspirin, Yo-yo, etc. Fun fact all of them involved trademarks, their copyrights remain uneffected. So while someone can make their own brand of a thermos, they can't copy existing Thermo's as they are still trademarked.

So your still wrong

Unrelated, bunch of crap about trademarks. The subject is copyrights.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Bird a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

It isn't semantics. It's how the law works.

There's a reason it's worded the way it is.

Refusing to read the evidence presented, as in the case of my quote, and instead focusing on an unrelated clause in submitted documents, is grounds for contempt of court and the cessation of your case.

The semantics is arguing the point of my initial claim, which in practice is true even if it isn't a direct legal reality, is a semantical argument and of dubious merit in the face of the extreme weakness of the rest of your case.

brian9824 a écrit :

Sorry, your still wrong, multiple articles trumps your 1 random lawyer, as does actual US copyright which is set for a fixed time. You don't need to USE a copyright to keep it.

Unfortunately some unscrupulous lawyers try to take advantage of ignorant people and spread false messages like that. They usually end up getting disbarred though and new ones pop up.

Copyrights have a fixed duration, hence why they don't expire, unlike trademarks which can last indefinitely as long as they are used and enforced. Its why Winnie The Pooh and Steamboat mickey

You found the equivalent of an ambulance chaser lawyer for copyrights

Switching defendant and proponent, misuse of chain of evidence, favoring the opinion of the news over that of the law.

Just terrible.

Again, yet more sites confirming it
https://copyright.byu.edu/copyright-myths
https://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

There are quite a few cases, such as when Otis who lost its TRADEMARK case in the 1950's over the trademark Escalator

Or Thermos LLC who lost their trademark of Thermos in the 1960's

Or Chapstick, Aspirin, Yo-yo, etc. Fun fact all of them involved trademarks, their copyrights remain uneffected. So while someone can make their own brand of a thermos, they can't copy existing Thermo's as they are still trademarked.

So your still wrong

Unrelated, bunch of crap about trademarks. The subject is copyrights.

He's pointing out that people have lost trademarks not defending them in court, not copyright.

Oh, and I did read your evidence. Which is contradicted by multiple other sources.

This just like the claim that there were only 300k Wiis produced yearly or that Sony paid scalpers to scalp the PS4.

[Devsman]

RotFox a écrit :

Lol. Nintendo hate hard on is still going strong. I'm still going to enjoy their games and systems. Have fun hating ya haters

They've always made great games. They just have major sandpaper pants.

[B]

Devsman's Comet a écrit :

RotFox a écrit :

Lol. Nintendo hate hard on is still going strong. I'm still going to enjoy their games and systems. Have fun hating ya haters

They've always made great games. They just have major sandpaper pants.

Meh, the gamer community have been giant babies ever since nintendo didn't give the free money to people who play smash brothers. We just don't talk about that hate origin because of the smash bro competitive scene sexual controversies.

[Brian9824]

Devsman's Comet a écrit :

RotFox a écrit :

Lol. Nintendo hate hard on is still going strong. I'm still going to enjoy their games and systems. Have fun hating ya haters

They've always made great games. They just have major sandpaper pants.

Yeah its funny watching people try to make Nintendo be the bad guy for wanting to stop their employee's from leaking and spoiling their games....

[Boblin the Goblin]

RotFox a écrit :

Devsman's Comet a écrit :

They've always made great games. They just have major sandpaper pants.

Meh, the gamer community have been giant babies ever since nintendo didn't give the free money to people who play smash brothers. We just don't talk about that hate origin because of the smash bro competitive scene sexual controversies.

That wasn't the issue with Nintendo and Smash Bros.

It was the fact that Nintendo would do almost everything they could to stop Smash Bros from being played competitively and refused to contribute to the eSports scene while other companies would encourage and foster it.

Then, when there was almost an 'official' tournament, Nintendo threw a baby fit because the software needing to be used meant it was emulated even though they stop making the game over 10 years ago.

This along with them generally treating their fans like dirt either through lackluster releases, lackluster online, or general indifference.

[Dracoco OwO]

brian9824 a écrit :

Devsman's Comet a écrit :

They've always made great games. They just have major sandpaper pants.

Yeah its funny watching people try to make Nintendo be the bad guy for wanting to stop their employee's from leaking and spoiling their games....

Honestly i'm not really defending the guy especially if he works at Nintendo because coming from a guy like this, that's extra bad, what i'm concerned about is how they even found him in the first place kind of and i get that if Nintendo is forced to sue because they can actually lose ♥♥♥♥ so i'd rather blame the law that make them act like this. Ofc Nintendo did worse move this one is acceptable but also concerning on Discord's level.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Dracoco OwO a écrit :

brian9824 a écrit :

Yeah its funny watching people try to make Nintendo be the bad guy for wanting to stop their employee's from leaking and spoiling their games....

Honestly i'm not really defending the guy especially if he works at Nintendo because coming from a guy like this, that's extra bad, what i'm concerned about is how they even found him in the first place kind of and i get that if Nintendo is forced to sue because they can actually lose ♥♥♥♥ so i'd rather blame the law that make them act like this. Ofc Nintendo did worse move this one is acceptable but also concerning on Discord's level.

Discord is legally required to hand over the information regarding the leak.

If they don't, Discord becomes liable as well.

[Brian9824]

Dracoco OwO a écrit :

brian9824 a écrit :

Yeah its funny watching people try to make Nintendo be the bad guy for wanting to stop their employee's from leaking and spoiling their games....

Honestly i'm not really defending the guy especially if he works at Nintendo because coming from a guy like this, that's extra bad, what i'm concerned about is how they even found him in the first place kind of and i get that if Nintendo is forced to sue because they can actually lose ♥♥♥♥ so i'd rather blame the law that make them act like this. Ofc Nintendo did worse move this one is acceptable but also concerning on Discord's level.

They haven't found him yet, but its straight forward. They know who on discord leaked it, so they then get the info from him which will include the IP he accessed discord from and then can contact his ISP to get his info. it's the same process the RIAA and others use for pirating movies.

Nintendo isn't suing because they can lose something, that is misinformation being spread around. They are suing to find his identity as it requires a court order for the ISP to release that info to them.

[Dracoco OwO]

brian9824 a écrit :

Dracoco OwO a écrit :

Honestly i'm not really defending the guy especially if he works at Nintendo because coming from a guy like this, that's extra bad, what i'm concerned about is how they even found him in the first place kind of and i get that if Nintendo is forced to sue because they can actually lose ♥♥♥♥ so i'd rather blame the law that make them act like this. Ofc Nintendo did worse move this one is acceptable but also concerning on Discord's level.

They haven't found him yet, but its straight forward. They know who on discord leaked it, so they then get the info from him which will include the IP he accessed discord from and then can contact his ISP to get his info. it's the same process the RIAA and others use for pirating movies.

Nintendo isn't suing because they can lose something, that is misinformation being spread around. They are suing to find his identity as it requires a court order for the ISP to release that info to them.

Ok make more sense that way i thought they already had all the info at hand somehow and found him already. Not just the IP adress.

[sleeps]

even all of this, you guys can use discord whatever you want. it's not my thing. but i personally recommend do not enter public server.