Would the 'Legend of Zelda' series have had a lot more respect prior to 'BOTW' if it had kept to it's pre WW style of always having better graphics/gameplay?

[Heatblizzard]

While WW was good in a lot of subtle ways (such as eye movement/water animation,etc) the gameplay was too simplified and mostly too short since a lot of dungeons were cut instead they have the 'Triforce Hunt' to artificially lengthen the game. Imagine if Misko's EX Treasure Hunt was a core part of the game NEEDED to beat Calamity Ganon instead of just a fun quirky EX Treasure Hunt when your bored and can quit that quest at any time with or without actually acquiring the said armor pieces.

Now prior to WW all the way back to the original LOZ minus Link's Awakening that 2D Side Scrolling one (which did have good features of it's own and introduced a certain ego to Link) nobody really liked the games including the GBC ones all progressed in both graphics and actual gameplay rather then forced gimmicks.

Each game was very different then the other yet still you knew it was a 'Legend of Zelda' and something about it was going to be great and you didn't have to worry about much if any drawbacks to the game minus Link's short sword swipes in ALLTP which made me gave up halfway thru. :(

Sadly this is not so for WW and SS which if they didn't have the official Zelda name attached and you went to play it 'blind' you'd likely wonder if it was part of the main franchise and what the hell you just played!

Especially Skyward Sword (SS) without it having a name and all you see is a vomit mix of cell shaded and realism that doesn't blend in quite well except when your on the surface and mostly for 'distant' shots. If SS was released on STEAM and had NOTHING to do with Zelda but everything else remained the same minus any Zelda related names or characters I bet it would've been a constant Steam Sale game having 'Flash' sales all the freaking time and a lot of 'mixed' reviews type game. You know THOSE games.

[W1nDsOR]

Wind Waker was an amazing game, as was Twilight Princess, OoT, MM and handheld games like Minish Cap and Oracle of Ages. I’d argue BoTW / ToTK are less engaging and enjoyable than those classic games.

[Birds]

oot was dated when it came out, as were 1 and 2.

[Heatblizzard]

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Wind Waker was an amazing game, as was Twilight Princess, OoT, MM and handheld games like Minish Cap and Oracle of Ages. I’d argue BoTW / ToTK are less engaging and enjoyable than those classic games.

There are still VERY pretty moments in BOTW. I use it as therapy to ride my horse as it helps me settle down. My Mom watches me too and we both like it a lot. Did you know you can make the monsters go on top of your ice? This also counts for other critters too. Send an ice thing under the butt of a bird.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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oot was dated when it came out, as were 1 and 2.

OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

[Heatblizzard]

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oot was dated when it came out, as were 1 and 2.

OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

Note I'm doing this on my computer which is why I'm able to give a lot of detail to your question as I don't have nor own a stupid phone.

Other games were doing 3D by then. CRYO Interactive was doing them. I think they merged with DreamCatcher games. One such game was New Adventures Of The Time Machine and another The Natuilous where your trapped in a futuristic submarine where at first it thinks your the owner but something goes wrong and it locks down when it figures out your not and you have to solve puzzles and escape deadly situations.


New Adventures Of The Time Machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvsWEnmJcWE&list=PL6iNuXuk2gdiys4BVa6AMYR1a7tDVGyc8&index=1Playthrough: "The New Adventures of the Time Machine" Part 1/8

Never played the latter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPJv-baMqqY Playthrough: "The Secret of the Nautilus / Mystery of the Nautilus" Part 1/3

https://www.youtube.com/@Twilight_Adventures/playlists

All the early 3D games he played are on there. It really was a magical era while everyone was oohing and awing on the Sixty For slowing getting brain cancer being too close to the TV as they (we) will get mid age and problems suddenly crop up out of the blue.

At least these games required thinking skills rather then rely on button memorization skills which is about as fun as a Vegas slot machine at least you have a (small) chance at actually winning something even if it is a free extra night to entice you to play some more.

[Heatblizzard]

Here's an example of a more 'serious' 3D game where it's more about history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PoSlh9jF6E&list=PL6iNuXuk2gdi-j0muhf0r3fjaXM2Br8eg&index=1

All this while Link keeps on fighting the same stupid Ganon and misses out on these amazing adventures.

[gugnihr]

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oot was dated when it came out, as were 1 and 2.

OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MY0ihuJZc

Daggerfall was available two years before Ocarina of time and Ocarina of time is just an action / adventure game with an overworld so basic and ugly that even in the remake it looks terribly poor and in comparison older Zelda games were better in that regard (not that I particularly like the older Zelda games anyway but they were a lot better).
Not to mention that on the Sega Mega Drive there was Landstalker which is infinitely better than any 2D Zelda game.
But anyway those are action / adventure games not rpgs and the overworld of OOT is so basic and disappointing that "open world" does not mean much in that case.

[Heatblizzard]

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OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MY0ihuJZc

Daggerfall was available two years before Ocarina of time and Ocarina of time is just an action / adventure game with an overworld so basic and ugly that even in the remake it looks terribly poor and in comparison older Zelda games were better in that regard (not that I particularly like the older Zelda games anyway but they were a lot better).
Not to mention that on the Sega Mega Drive there was Landstalker which is infinitely better than any 2D Zelda game.
But anyway those are action / adventure games not rpgs and the overworld of OOT is so basic and disappointing that "open world" does not mean much in that case.

To be fair there is Epona's Quest (I am not sure what it's actually called) where you race Ingo and do some stupid crap to get Epona though your rewarded with an awesome cut scene of escaping the ranch since Ingo locks you in once you win your horse. "Here's your horse like I've said but your NOT leaving this ranch!" (locks gates) and you show him a thing or two.

You can also beat the game entirely WITHOUT ever seeing Epona let alone the ranch unless you want that empty bottle from the mini game about chickens.

[Devsman]

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OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

Other games were doing 3D by then.

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OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

Daggerfall was available two years before Ocarina of time

Why do dumdums on the Internet think they can just ignore qualifying phrases like "one of"?

I guess this is why so many posts on the Internet are given twice: once telling you what it's saying, and once telling you what it's NOT saying. This should really be common sense stuff.

Now I'm NOT saying that there are no posts on the Internet that don't do this, or that everyone HAS common sense.

[Heatblizzard]

Why is the twilight realm in TP so darn bright? I don't know how Midna can stand living there with it being so blinding a lot of the time unless her stupid looking hat protects her somehow from it?

[Boblin the Goblin]

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OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MY0ihuJZc

Daggerfall was available two years before Ocarina of time and Ocarina of time is just an action / adventure game with an overworld so basic and ugly that even in the remake it looks terribly poor and in comparison older Zelda games were better in that regard (not that I particularly like the older Zelda games anyway but they were a lot better).
Not to mention that on the Sega Mega Drive there was Landstalker which is infinitely better than any 2D Zelda game.
But anyway those are action / adventure games not rpgs and the overworld of OOT is so basic and disappointing that "open world" does not mean much in that case.

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OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

It was an RPG as well.

[Heatblizzard]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_MY0ihuJZc

Daggerfall was available two years before Ocarina of time and Ocarina of time is just an action / adventure game with an overworld so basic and ugly that even in the remake it looks terribly poor and in comparison older Zelda games were better in that regard (not that I particularly like the older Zelda games anyway but they were a lot better).
Not to mention that on the Sega Mega Drive there was Landstalker which is infinitely better than any 2D Zelda game.
But anyway those are action / adventure games not rpgs and the overworld of OOT is so basic and disappointing that "open world" does not mean much in that case.

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OoT was one of the first 3D open world RPGs. How were the first two 'outdated' on release?

It was an RPG as well.

Actually an action/adventure which when you play the actual game (including any hacks or the PC version) it's very clear there is nothing RPG about it. RPG has certain elements to it that are not EVEN remotely in the game by a long shot.

[Arnie Rimsy BSc.SSc.]

Minish Cap and Links Awakening were mint... yet I never bothered to finish them. Zelda just doesn't catch me enough.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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It was an RPG as well.

Actually an action/adventure which when you play the actual game (including any hacks or the PC version) it's very clear there is nothing RPG about it. RPG has certain elements to it that are not EVEN remotely in the game by a long shot.

ROG doesn't have to have stats and a character sheet to be an RPG.

[Dracoco OwO]

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Twillight Princess is absolutely goated i don't see why peoples have issues with it.

You mean bloated. It tried too much to be something it was not.

I replayed it recently i still don't see the problem aside the pacing and the fact i probably played it too much. I don't like the open world because it's nonexistant Wind Waker is winning on that front but this alone really. These games are far too easy is what is a complaint i'd personally have.