Would the 'Legend of Zelda' series have had a lot more respect prior to 'BOTW' if it had kept to it's pre WW style of always having better graphics/gameplay?

[Heatblizzard]

While WW was good in a lot of subtle ways (such as eye movement/water animation,etc) the gameplay was too simplified and mostly too short since a lot of dungeons were cut instead they have the 'Triforce Hunt' to artificially lengthen the game. Imagine if Misko's EX Treasure Hunt was a core part of the game NEEDED to beat Calamity Ganon instead of just a fun quirky EX Treasure Hunt when your bored and can quit that quest at any time with or without actually acquiring the said armor pieces.

Now prior to WW all the way back to the original LOZ minus Link's Awakening that 2D Side Scrolling one (which did have good features of it's own and introduced a certain ego to Link) nobody really liked the games including the GBC ones all progressed in both graphics and actual gameplay rather then forced gimmicks.

Each game was very different then the other yet still you knew it was a 'Legend of Zelda' and something about it was going to be great and you didn't have to worry about much if any drawbacks to the game minus Link's short sword swipes in ALLTP which made me gave up halfway thru. :(

Sadly this is not so for WW and SS which if they didn't have the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Zelda name attached and you went to play it 'blind' you'd likely wonder if it was part of the main franchise and what the hell you just played!

Especially Skyward Sword (SS) without it having a name and all you see is a vomit mix of cell shaded and realism that doesn't blend in quite well except when your on the surface and mostly for 'distant' shots. If SS was released on STEAM and had NOTHING to do with Zelda but everything else remained the same minus any Zelda related names or characters I bet it would've been a constant Steam Sale game having 'Flash' sales all the freaking time and a lot of 'mixed' reviews type game. You know THOSE games.

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh 󠀡󠀡Eréndira:

I liked Wind Waker.

Skyward Sword was an abomination.

Imagine if the WW ONLY had the Triforce Quest. That's Skyward Sword one giant Triforce Hunt with boss fights thrown in randomly and you fight Ganon several times to 'prove' your strength but never quite defeat him to drag the game out.

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Good Night Owl:

Prior to Wind Waker, I only ever played Link To The Past. I felt that Wind Waker definitely captured what a Zelda game is in 3D. It's biggest criticism was that it was cartoony, and even that ended up getting adored.

Breath of The Wild on the other hand... Feels like it's from an entirely different series to me, but most would probably disagree with me.

Remember Satori Iwata died halfway thru BOTW so a lot of stuff went unfinished I think a lot of the ideas were his as he had a major hand in shaping the game. There's an area dedicated to him to honor and whenever I go there I fully respect it. The first time I didn't realize it's significance and blew it all up so I feel bad about my stupid self. One of the NPC's is based off of him goofy glasses included.

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Game franchises get respect?

The era between ALTP and MM was very much respected by people who played/knew about it. There were websites/forums all dedicated unlike the few places now that got taken over by stupid people posting crap often nothing to do with the series

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dracoco OwO:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zefar:

https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Zelda_games

Twilight Princess sold nearly twice as much as Wind Waker did.
Your idea of what people want is not what the people actually want.


Personally Twilight Princess is the best Zelda game I've played so far. Have not played the last two.

Twillight Princess is absolutely goated i don't see why peoples have issues with it.

Because it tried too hard to be something it wasn't though to be fair I blame the hardware as the GC was limited in it's 3D abilities. Remember the games were all around 1.5GB!!!!! The E3 Trailer for TP is nothing like the final product!

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh LQIM:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Heatblizzard:

Wind Waker. Despite the cell shading there is a lot of details with in it such as when Link comes out of the water he is dripping wet for a while before drying off and his head slowly lowers into the water as he loses stamina while swimming. BTW Link's voice is actually a women which is why he 'screams like a girl' when being catapulted.

Oh I completely forgot about that game

WWHD is essentially WW fixed to the best of their abilities and the only reason the Pee U was 'saved'.

[Ulfrinn]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Heatblizzard:

Diposting pertama kali oleh LQIM:

Oh I completely forgot about that game

WWHD is essentially WW fixed to the best of their abilities and the only reason the Pee U was 'saved'.

I wouldn't call it "fixed." They added a LOT of bloom which does not work, and changed up color pallets in a way that doesn't fit the original aesthetic. They tried going for a more realistic look than the game needed, and it didn't work out well. You can mod the game to remove the bloom, restore the original color pallet and it looks and plays better than the original though. Likewise, you can mod the original to look and play better too, with HD texture packs that even adjust the HUD for 16:9 widescreen.

[Devsman]

No

It would have had exactly the same amount of respect if every game after OOT was a literal turd in a box.

[Lemale]

Man they don’t let you Name Link. That’s a deal breaker. He is a link to the Player

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ulfrinn:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Heatblizzard:

WWHD is essentially WW fixed to the best of their abilities and the only reason the Pee U was 'saved'.

I wouldn't call it "fixed." They added a LOT of bloom which does not work, and changed up color pallets in a way that doesn't fit the original aesthetic. They tried going for a more realistic look than the game needed, and it didn't work out well. You can mod the game to remove the bloom, restore the original color pallet and it looks and plays better than the original though. Likewise, you can mod the original to look and play better too, with HD texture packs that even adjust the HUD for 16:9 widescreen.

They should've just waited for the Switch to release it and use a modified older Unreal Engine at least the attempt would've been a lot more honest and shows they actually tried.

[Ulfrinn]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Heatblizzard:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ulfrinn:

I wouldn't call it "fixed." They added a LOT of bloom which does not work, and changed up color pallets in a way that doesn't fit the original aesthetic. They tried going for a more realistic look than the game needed, and it didn't work out well. You can mod the game to remove the bloom, restore the original color pallet and it looks and plays better than the original though. Likewise, you can mod the original to look and play better too, with HD texture packs that even adjust the HUD for 16:9 widescreen.

They should've just waited for the Switch to release it and use a modified older Unreal Engine at least the attempt would've been a lot more honest and shows they actually tried.

They didn't even need to go as far as they did. They didn't need to change the visuals and lighting. They could have just made it higher resolution, widescreen, change the UI to compensate for the widescreen, and modernize camera movement.

[Grim Reaper]

Majora's Mask is dark while Twilight Princess is emo

[gugnihr]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Grim Reaper:

Majora's Mask is dark while Twilight Princess is emo

Twilight Princess is just great art for the most part, with just a few flaws (it just becomes a bit too edgy, pointlessly, a few times... and all the "old west movies" influence should have been removed too but this is also something that becomes apparent only a few times... at least 90% of the game is just great art)

If you talk about emo Kingdom Hearts is emo (and despite that KH2 manages to be absolutely great visual art too anyway), not Twilight Princess. Twilight Princess just gets a bit too edgy a few times.

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh gugnihr:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Grim Reaper:

Majora's Mask is dark while Twilight Princess is emo

Twilight Princess is just great art for the most part, with just a few flaws (it just becomes a bit too edgy, pointlessly, a few times... and all the "old west movies" influence should have been removed too but this is also something that becomes apparent only a few times... at least 90% of the game is just great art)

If you talk about emo Kingdom Hearts is emo (and despite that KH2 manages to be absolutely great visual art too anyway), not Twilight Princess. Twilight Princess just gets a bit too edgy a few times.

The original E3 of TP was a lot different and more akin to a mini Breath of the Wild where you could go to distant mountains and actually go there. The Lost Woods would've been very dark where you would need the actual torch a whole lot more then you did. Yes you could've actually gotten lost and been in some serious @#@@!

The Twilight Realm was going to resemble an old fashion horror film where it was a lot spookier,etc. I was very disappointed it was all removed.

They were also going to have a full on magic meter which some of the screenshots show.

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ulfrinn:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Heatblizzard:

They should've just waited for the Switch to release it and use a modified older Unreal Engine at least the attempt would've been a lot more honest and shows they actually tried.

They didn't even need to go as far as they did. They didn't need to change the visuals and lighting. They could have just made it higher resolution, widescreen, change the UI to compensate for the widescreen, and modernize camera movement.

And added the missing dungeons! 😲🙃

[Heatblizzard]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dracoco OwO:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Zefar:

https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Zelda_games

Twilight Princess sold nearly twice as much as Wind Waker did.
Your idea of what people want is not what the people actually want.


Personally Twilight Princess is the best Zelda game I've played so far. Have not played the last two.

Twillight Princess is absolutely goated i don't see why peoples have issues with it.

You mean bloated. It tried too much to be something it was not.