Did international airport security change since the 90s?

[Heatblizzard]

For those in other countries has your airport security changed that much if so how bad from your experiences and what you've noticed? Is it out of control like 'shooting a fly with a machine gun' or pretty much sensible for the most part?

[Fajita Jim]

It is different. They really keep the concourse sterile now (meaning everyone gets searched before they can enter) and there are more guns present. The shoe thing, too.

[kbiz]

It's changed, but I haven't been massively inconvenienced by it. They usually have sufficient lanes open.

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

It is different. They really keep the concourse sterile now (meaning everyone gets searched before they can enter) and there are more guns present. The shoe thing, too.

I can understand everyone being searched more thoroughly but it makes absolutely ZERO sense to have ticked passengers only beyond the checkpoints as that won't stop a terrorist. In fact the checkpoints used to be right at the gates which wouldn't matter in terms of a security where it is as long as there is one that works.

Hint: Terrorist buy tickets too and some of the ones on 9/11 even were flagged by CAPPS for a secondary screening and had their checked luggage withheld and prohibited from going with them.
Not sure why though since what they were carrying weren't illegal 'other then the mace they sprayed' and didn't ever need to be illegal except the mace for obvious reasons.

[Fajita Jim]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

checkpoints used to be right at the gates

I've been flying on the regular since the 80's and I have NEVER seen a checkpoint right at the gate.

[kbiz]

There are plenty of international airports with an additional checkpoint at the gate - especially if you are returning to America.

The security at the airports ain't that bad. I'm not worried.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

♥♥♥♥ flying. I aint letting a dude with a room temperature IQ making triple figures grope my crotch.

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

checkpoints used to be right at the gates

I've been flying on the regular since the 80's and I have NEVER seen a checkpoint right at the gate.

In the US it used to be that way pre 9/11 where each airline had a contract with a private company: IE: Delta would have their own security and America Airlines use their own contracts which allowed competition so they were forced to treat you with more respect if you weren't being a moron:

and for the record contrary to popular belief they actually did NOTHING wrong that day and 3 of the terrorists were actually manually screened due to CAPPS sending an alert when they attempted to board on 9/11. Their luggage was also held and NOT allowed on United Flight 175.

Airport security definitely existed but was invisible unless you were a bad guy. They had something called 'common sense' if you weren't a bad guy. Again they already had existing systems they just weren't enforcing it enough because of being afraid of being a 'racist' if they spoke up.


So yeah our existing system actually did work it just didn't work well enough so we pretty much spend billions of dollars to swat some flies away when all we neeed to do was strengthen the existing cockpit doors and have more intelligence between airport and the FBI which would've solved more problems then the TSA and cost way less keeping airport security still invisible.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

It is different. They really keep the concourse sterile now (meaning everyone gets searched before they can enter) and there are more guns present. The shoe thing, too.

When the security asks you to take your pants off and bend over.

[Fajita Jim]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

In the US it used to be that way pre 9/11

Never seen it. And I've flown out of many US airports pre-911.

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

In the US it used to be that way pre 9/11

Never seen it. And I've flown out of many US airports pre-911.

There was an article where a man with a gun attempted to get onto an airplane sometime in the late 90s and did only to find he couldn't go anywhere as the plane was parked with it's wheels being blocked off.
The investigation at the time was if the gate was too close to the boarding door allowing the suspect the ability to get onto the aircraft since he brandished the weapon at the security checkpoint close to the flight. The security guards (whom were unarmed) backed off wisely.

Actually it was the year 2000:
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/nyregion/gunman-frees-hostage-pilots-after-escape-of-passengers.html
Here is a little blurb which should've been at the top of the article: The gunman apparently made his way onto the plane, at Gate 33 of Terminal 4W, simply by running past security workers, Mr. Trevor of the Port Authority said.

Passengers said they had to pass through only one metal detector before boarding the plane, and it was located RIGHT BEFORE THE JETWAY. .

Witnesses said the suspect pulled his gun out right before the metal detector, told four elderly people to get out of his way and boarded the plane."

I'm sure the same scenario today the same results would've still happened for two reasons: 1 the aeroplane is parked so the officials know the suspect isn't going nowhere and will eventually either surrender or shoot himself at a worst case scenario. 2: The cockpit doors are NOT locked when on the ground as it requires electricity to keep them locked so they know the suspect can't do any harm except maybe damage the throttle levers if he stands on them.

A women was left on an airplane just a year or so ago overnight and found out when waking up to a dark cabin and went into the cockpit with no power. She somehow managed to open the main door which I am not sure how and her feet were seen dangling by a worker.

[Fajita Jim]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

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I know before 9-11 there were different entrances for staff and such with no security checks. I have also seen concourse doors open onto the tarmac pre-911 with no one guarding them. But I've never been to an airport where you didn't have to pass through security to get onto the concourse, even pre-911.

I've been to Kennedy International, unless this was right at the first gate I can't visualize it.

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

snip

I know before 9-11 there were different entrances for staff and such with no security checks. I have also seen concourse doors open onto the tarmac pre-911 with no one guarding them. But I've never been to an airport where you didn't have to pass through security to get onto the concourse, even pre-911.

I've been to Kennedy International, unless this was right at the first gate I can't visualize it.

So you've been to the same JFK airport in the article? Was it pre or post 9/11?

I also didn't say there was no security: I said it was private security where it was the responsibility of the airline to do it and sometimes the checkpoint was closer to the gate as in the article here I described or was this airport being illegal even back then? https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/nyregion/gunman-frees-hostage-pilots-after-escape-of-passengers.html

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

checkpoints used to be right at the gates

I've been flying on the regular since the 80's and I have NEVER seen a checkpoint right at the gate.

This article seems to think otherwise back in 2000. https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/nyregion/gunman-frees-hostage-pilots-after-escape-of-passengers.html

"Passengers said they had to pass through only one metal detector before boarding the plane, and it was located right before the jetway. ."

I feel regardless whether or not the security should've been privatized it's dumb to have it so close to the boarding gate/jetway. It's quite literally a no brainer.

[Fajita Jim]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

I know before 9-11 there were different entrances for staff and such with no security checks. I have also seen concourse doors open onto the tarmac pre-911 with no one guarding them. But I've never been to an airport where you didn't have to pass through security to get onto the concourse, even pre-911.

I've been to Kennedy International, unless this was right at the first gate I can't visualize it.

So you've been to the same JFK airport in the article? Was it pre or post 9/11?

I also didn't say there was no security: I said it was private security where it was the responsibility of the airline to do it and sometimes the checkpoint was closer to the gate as in the article here I described or was this airport being illegal even back then? https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/nyregion/gunman-frees-hostage-pilots-after-escape-of-passengers.html

I flew out of JFK a lot in the 90's. Never got onto the concourse without going through security, first. There were metal detectors as you passed into the aerobridge but no one was there waving a wand around like at the first checkpoint to enter the concourse.

[Heatblizzard]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Fajita Jim:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Heatblizzard:

So you've been to the same JFK airport in the article? Was it pre or post 9/11?

I also didn't say there was no security: I said it was private security where it was the responsibility of the airline to do it and sometimes the checkpoint was closer to the gate as in the article here I described or was this airport being illegal even back then? https://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/nyregion/gunman-frees-hostage-pilots-after-escape-of-passengers.html

I flew out of JFK a lot in the 90's. Never got onto the concourse without going through security, first. There were metal detectors as you passed into the aerobridge but no one was there waving a wand around like at the first checkpoint to enter the concourse.

So what was that article about then the gunman forcing his way past security and onto the nearby plane?