Nietzsche

[Bad Aim]

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence..." - Nietzsche

This line was written by Nietzsche in the context that you are at the lowest point in your life, feeling alone, as lonely as any human can experience in their lifetime, when a demon comes to you and says that to you.

Nietzsche's question to the reader is simple. Would you fall deeper into depression, maybe even not wanting to continue or would you find joy and happiness in this?

In gaming terms, a coin is flipped. On one side of the coin the world is saved but your character has to kill himself. On the other side of the coin, you do not sacrifice yourself but the world is left decimated. (Legacy of Kain series)

Most people would reject the binary nature of the very question. So does one of the main characters, asking "What if there is a third option? What if you flip the coin and the coin lands on it's side?"

But that idea seems like a cop-out of Nietzsche's original premise. He is asking a fairly straight forward question. If humans are bound to a cycle of life (much like the Wheel of Fate in the Kain games), do you embrace your fate or curse your existence?

Personally, I would do the latter. If we are bound to a fate and have no true choice, then I do not see a point to life. I sure as hell don't want to live it again and again.

But what about you? What are your thoughts on this?

BTW: The quote is from Nietzsche's book "The Gay Science" paragraph 341

http://sshieh.web.wesleyan.edu/wescourses/etexts/232/Nietzsche%20The%20Gay%20Science%20section%20341.pdf

[Candyy]

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

Messaggio originale di Candyy ♡:

What are you understanding? Like what?

Understand what? These ppl are useless, philosophy is useless, there is a reason why nobody praises them anymore unlike 2 centuries ago

They only ask questions but they do not answer them and think themselves important for just thinking ,they are even worse than literature, history and politics itself combined

Ppl should focus more on science knowledge not these ughh ppl that do nothing... -.-

This just shows how bored were ppl in the 19th century...

Thank you for proving my point

You still have not proved the importance of this guy here

[Bad Aim]

Messaggio originale di Candyy ♡:

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

Thank you for proving my point

You still have not proved the importance of this guy here

You came into a thread I created, knowing that it had to do with philosophy and more specifically, a philosopher.

I don't have to prove dog crap to you. My job is not to educate the uneducated and/or the willfully ignorant.

If you (and other people) don't agree with a topic, then move on! I never asked anyone if they read or otherwise liked philosophy.

Your whole purpose of coming into this thread seems to be to try to stir crap up. Keep it up and I will report you for attempting to derail a thread.

[Grendalcat]

So does the person who will have to relive their life over and over, remember that they are reliving life over and over? Knowing it would seem incredibly boring to me. Not knowing would seem to make no difference, certainly would not make me depressed.

[Dracoco OwO]

Nietzsche is wrong because i don't believe you'd relieve anything once you are dead.

[Bad Aim]

Messaggio originale di Grendalcat:

So does the person who will have to relive their life over and over, remember that they are reliving life over and over? Knowing it would seem incredibly boring to me. Not knowing would seem to make no difference, certainly would not make me depressed.

Good question and good point. I am unable to answer your question. I will say that I personally believe that you will not remember that you are reliving your life, over and over again. But, if your life consisted of suffering and pain, why would you want to relive that, even if you don't remember that time is a circle?

[Bad Aim]

Messaggio originale di Dracoco OwO:

Nietzsche is wrong because i don't believe you'd relieve anything once you are dead.

You say he is wrong, and you have every right to think that. But your belief that he is wrong is based on your belief that you don't relive everything again and again. You are attempting to disprove a belief with a belief.

But, in the context of the situation Nietzsche gives, it is a demon that has come to you. It is a deliberate choice of Nietzsche to put a creature that embodies evil and lies. But demons also know that while lies can be useful, the truth is almost always going to be more painful.

Nietzsche leaves it up to the reader to decide what reaction you are going to give. He even questions you on it.

[Grendalcat]

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

Messaggio originale di Grendalcat:

So does the person who will have to relive their life over and over, remember that they are reliving life over and over? Knowing it would seem incredibly boring to me. Not knowing would seem to make no difference, certainly would not make me depressed.

Good question and good point. I am unable to answer your question. I will say that I personally believe that you will not remember that you are reliving your life, over and over again. But, if your life consisted of suffering and pain, why would you want to relive that, even if you don't remember that time is a circle?

But what if your life consisted of more positive than negative experiences? Or your total amount of "positive time" exceeded your "negative time"? One personal complication of this question for me, is that the lowest point in my life was decades ago. If in the future I arrive at even a lower point, my answer would possibly differ, than if my lowest point has already happened.

[Dracoco OwO]

Messaggio originale di Grendalcat:

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

Good question and good point. I am unable to answer your question. I will say that I personally believe that you will not remember that you are reliving your life, over and over again. But, if your life consisted of suffering and pain, why would you want to relive that, even if you don't remember that time is a circle?

But what if your life consisted of more positive than negative experiences? Or your total amount of "positive time" exceeded your "negative time"? One personal complication of this question for me, is that the lowest point in my life was decades ago. If in the future I arrive at even a lower point, my answer would possibly differ, than if my lowest point has already happened.

If so well off peoples would be predestined to have happy lives and miserable peoples, miserable lives, that really doesn't sound like Nietzsche even thought about an hopefull outcome due to these parameters at all.

But maybe i'm missing context i just really don't vibe with this depressing ♥♥♥♥.

[Chaussettes]

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

Messaggio originale di Chaussettes:

virgin crybaby doomer pseudophilosopher WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH LIFE IS TOO HARD WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH I HAVE TO GET UP AND DO THINGS WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

< gigachad life enjoyer pondering about the wonders of mankind and the infinite happiness of the human existence

Reported

if it wasnt completely obvious I was referring to nietzsche and not you, thanks for the community warning anyway brother, real good look

[Triple G]

Hmm. Philosophy behind it. Answers, as my questions about if remain unanswered.

Conclusion is to live Your life, like You would like to live it again and again (just in case) - which automatically makes You a happier person with less worries about what You could have done differently. (Or to say it differently: No regrets. Man up. or: follow Your heart.) At least that´s my interpretation of it.

And if it´s about some "lowest point", it´s not so much about philosophy, but about psychology i guess. And again: how to define that "lowest point?" It´s relative, and You can´t know for sure if You´re still alive.

[Ruckman_Void]

Nihilism should free you from trying to find or create a meaning to life. Or at least it should free you from meaning that is dictated by someone or something else.

I don't accept the existence of fate - INSERT KYLE REECE QUOTE HERE

Fate suggests a predetermination - whom or what predetermines?

I lean towards creating meaning, as opposed to following some script or the complete absence of meaning.

[L1qu1dator]

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence..." - Nietzsche
(...)

No greater hell than that.

[Bad Aim]

Messaggio originale di Chaussettes:

Messaggio originale di Cernunnos:

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if it wasnt completely obvious I was referring to nietzsche and not you, thanks for the community warning anyway brother, real good look

Maybe next time you'll find a better way to critique a quote so as to not confuse the OP.

If you were looking for an apology from me you might have received one had you not posted a second time with a bad attitude. Good luck to you "brother".

[Bad Aim]

Messaggio originale di Ruckman_Void:

Nihilism should free you from trying to find or create a meaning to life. Or at least it should free you from meaning that is dictated by someone or something else.

I don't accept the existence of fate - INSERT KYLE REECE QUOTE HERE

Fate suggests a predetermination - whom or what predetermines?

I lean towards creating meaning, as opposed to following some script or the complete absence of meaning.

Yet people all over the world believe in fate. Look at Revelations. According to the christian bible, our lives are already predetermined. True choice is an illusion. It's all part of god's "grand plan".

I am not christian nor do I follow any of the Abrahamic religions. As such, I do believe in free will. Because the alternative is that I can go home right now and sit on my couch. Because whatever is going to happen to me will happen.

Thank you for your thoughts and insights. I am grateful.

[AdahnGorion]

I exist, that is all, and I find it nauseating.