Nietzsche

[Bad Aim]

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence..." - Nietzsche

This line was written by Nietzsche in the context that you are at the lowest point in your life, feeling alone, as lonely as any human can experience in their lifetime, when a demon comes to you and says that to you.

Nietzsche's question to the reader is simple. Would you fall deeper into depression, maybe even not wanting to continue or would you find joy and happiness in this?

In gaming terms, a coin is flipped. On one side of the coin the world is saved but your character has to kill himself. On the other side of the coin, you do not sacrifice yourself but the world is left decimated. (Legacy of Kain series)

Most people would reject the binary nature of the very question. So does one of the main characters, asking "What if there is a third option? What if you flip the coin and the coin lands on it's side?"

But that idea seems like a cop-out of Nietzsche's original premise. He is asking a fairly straight forward question. If humans are bound to a cycle of life (much like the Wheel of Fate in the Kain games), do you embrace your fate or curse your existence?

Personally, I would do the latter. If we are bound to a fate and have no true choice, then I do not see a point to life. I sure as hell don't want to live it again and again.

But what about you? What are your thoughts on this?

BTW: The quote is from Nietzsche's book "The Gay Science" paragraph 341

http://sshieh.web.wesleyan.edu/wescourses/etexts/232/Nietzsche%20The%20Gay%20Science%20section%20341.pdf

[kbiz]

I think the important thing is Nietzsche stared into the abyss. I can name a number of things in the abyss.

[sleeps]

what i like about the book title is that in context it's about joy but the translation make it seems like it's about ♥♥♥♥

[Professor]

Originally posted by Volfogg:

Now... If people could stop overthinking everything for at least 5 minutes and focus on more important activities, that would be nice. You know... getting job and doing it, paying bills and filling fridge, that kind of stuff.

What you describe as "important activities" is only a matter of personal perspective. Perhaps it is only relative in accordance of where we are in life. Such as age, as for the young it may be a goal they aspire to reach, but for the older it may be something that they have already comfortably achieved.

Once the levels of importance change the point of view changes with it. Eventhough I know you are saying to spend less time thinking & more time doing, it is still a sense of priorities that become mundane.

Some reach a point that they are happy with everything they have achieved others work on it for ever with no end in sight.

[Bad Aim]

Originally posted by Neurotic Panda:

Originally posted by Cernunnos:

What are your thoughts on this?

1. sounds like a lot of bored what-if gibberish to me.. omg let me sound smart and just ask mundane questions.. no thx.

2. not interested in made - up demons or afraid of them

3. never click on weird links folks, especially HTTP links. is this 2002?

4. bored, moving on. :GHSleep:

Wow. I normally have you on ignore and based just on this mess of misinformation and total ignorance, i can clearly see why...

1) You think you are somehow above the concept of philosophy? By statement number one you have just laid out to the readers just how willfully ignorant you are.

2) The demon was used as an allegory for an entity of evil. Nietzsche could have used the concept of a child molester or a serial killer. But he did not wish to leave any room for doubt that the person telling you this great cosmic secret was evil.

3) An .edu is a weird site? Okay, are you against education? All sites use HTTP. The main difference is most web browsers auto-fill it in for you.
https://www.google.com/
is the same as
www.google.com/

4) Personally, I am glad you are bored and moving on. It is my greatest hope that you do not come into this room again and "bless us" with your presence again.

Put me on ignore. Don't come into rooms I create, and leave me the hell alone.

[76561198356019466]

Man he was a good football player!

Green Bay Packers; one of the best ever!

[Volfogg]

If people want honest, blunt opinion, there is honest, blunt opinion.
If people can't handle honest, blunt opinion, what the hell of opinion do they want?

[Bad Aim]

Originally posted by Professor:

Originally posted by Cernunnos:

The situation that Nietzsche puts us in seems designed to set us up to give up on life. But, I think he is hoping that the reader will see past the pain to the joy life can also bring. The entire senerio seems to be set in terms of extremes. Extreme loneliness, extreme evil. Why?

I think he wants the reader to think in extremes.

The negative aspects he describes could be because he recognised that it is both a combination of good or evil, dark or light, higher or lower & could not separate the two. Perhaps he was not happy that we are the sum of all sides.

I tend to agree with what Your_White_Knight said in post #5. "He stared too long into the abyss until the abyss stared into him" & maybe he was happy about his own understanding of good but struggled to comprehend why the bad even has to exist.

I have that person on my ignore list, so unless someone replies to a post and I read that reply, then I will most likely not see it.

I will sometimes click on some blocked users just to see what they are saying.

I know that I am not well liked in the OT community. I know that I rub a lot of people the wrong way. But I have never been rude to someone until they are rude to me first. I give what I receive.

I can't remember what the above person said to make me put him on ignore, but it takes more than one insult thrown my way to get put on my ignore list.

I see no evidence that the above person actually knows anything about Nietzsche other than a tag line that you can get when you Google the guys name.

But, who am I to criticize? I came across Nietzsche based solely on the Legacy of Kain games. Maybe that person was a fan of the movie Criminal Law from 1988 and was introduced to Nietzsche based on that movie.

[Psychlapse]

Originally posted by Volfogg:

If people want honest, blunt opinion, there is honest, blunt opinion.
If people can't handle honest, blunt opinion, what the hell of opinion do they want?

The one they agree with, silly.

[Psychlapse]

"Man with hole in pocket, feel cocky all day."
Confucious

[Candyy]

Originally posted by Cernunnos:

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence..." - Nietzsche

This line was written by Nietzsche in the context that you are at the lowest point in your life, feeling alone, as lonely as any human can experience in their lifetime, when a demon comes to you and says that to you.

Nietzsche's question to the reader is simple. Would you fall deeper into depression, maybe even not wanting to continue or would you find joy and happiness in this?

In gaming terms, a coin is flipped. On one side of the coin the world is saved but your character has to kill himself. On the other side of the coin, you do not sacrifice yourself but the world is left decimated. (Legacy of Kain series)

Most people would reject the binary nature of the very question. So does one of the main characters, asking "What if there is a third option? What if you flip the coin and the coin lands on it's side?"

But that idea seems like a cop-out of Nietzsche's original premise. He is asking a fairly straight forward question. If humans are bound to a cycle of life (much like the Wheel of Fate in the Kain games), do you embrace your fate or curse your existence?

Personally, I would do the latter. If we are bound to a fate and have no true choice, then I do not see a point to life. I sure as hell don't want to live it again and again.

But what about you? What are your thoughts on this?

BTW: The quote is from Nietzsche's book "The Gay Science" paragraph 341

http://sshieh.web.wesleyan.edu/wescourses/etexts/232/Nietzsche%20The%20Gay%20Science%20section%20341.pdf

Ughh another of those boring thinkers trying to act deep and cool that ppl call philosophers

[Under there]

Originally posted by Chaussettes:

virgin crybaby doomer pseudophilosopher WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH LIFE IS TOO HARD WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH I HAVE TO GET UP AND DO THINGS WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

< gigachad life enjoyer pondering about the wonders of mankind and the infinite happiness of the human existence

[Bad Aim]

Originally posted by Candyy ♡:

Originally posted by Cernunnos:

"This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence..." - Nietzsche

This line was written by Nietzsche in the context that you are at the lowest point in your life, feeling alone, as lonely as any human can experience in their lifetime, when a demon comes to you and says that to you.

Nietzsche's question to the reader is simple. Would you fall deeper into depression, maybe even not wanting to continue or would you find joy and happiness in this?

In gaming terms, a coin is flipped. On one side of the coin the world is saved but your character has to kill himself. On the other side of the coin, you do not sacrifice yourself but the world is left decimated. (Legacy of Kain series)

Most people would reject the binary nature of the very question. So does one of the main characters, asking "What if there is a third option? What if you flip the coin and the coin lands on it's side?"

But that idea seems like a cop-out of Nietzsche's original premise. He is asking a fairly straight forward question. If humans are bound to a cycle of life (much like the Wheel of Fate in the Kain games), do you embrace your fate or curse your existence?

Personally, I would do the latter. If we are bound to a fate and have no true choice, then I do not see a point to life. I sure as hell don't want to live it again and again.

But what about you? What are your thoughts on this?

BTW: The quote is from Nietzsche's book "The Gay Science" paragraph 341

http://sshieh.web.wesleyan.edu/wescourses/etexts/232/Nietzsche%20The%20Gay%20Science%20section%20341.pdf

Ughh another of those boring thinkers trying to act deep and cool that ppl call philosophers

Another person who doesn't have a complete understanding of philosophers and philosophy. So sad.

[Candyy]

Originally posted by Cernunnos:

Originally posted by Candyy ♡:

Ughh another of those boring thinkers trying to act deep and cool that ppl call philosophers

Another person who doesn't have a complete understanding of philosophers and philosophy. So sad.

What are you understanding? Like what?

Understand what? These ppl are useless, philosophy is useless, there is a reason why nobody praises them anymore unlike 2 centuries ago

They only ask questions but they do not answer them and think themselves important for just thinking ,they are even worse than literature, history and politics itself combined

Ppl should focus more on science knowledge not these ughh ppl that do nothing... -.-

This just shows how bored were ppl in the 19th century...

[Kobs]

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"..... not really sure about that one, ask the guy in a wheel chair.

[Bad Aim]

Originally posted by Candyy ♡:

Originally posted by Cernunnos:

Another person who doesn't have a complete understanding of philosophers and philosophy. So sad.

What are you understanding? Like what?

Understand what? These ppl are useless, philosophy is useless, there is a reason why nobody praises them anymore unlike 2 centuries ago

They only ask questions but they do not answer them and think themselves important for just thinking ,they are even worse than literature, history and politics itself combined

Ppl should focus more on science knowledge not these ughh ppl that do nothing... -.-

This just shows how bored were ppl in the 19th century...

Thank you for proving my point