Muta goes full-2A (SomeOrdinaryGamers)

[kilésengati]

Muta discusses assaults on IRL streamers and means of self-defence.

https://youtu.be/2EX65JFMLKY

"I've always been a big advocate of self-defence."
"Generally, if a country allows you to conceal-carry a gun, you should absolutely carry one with you."
"You know what also doesn't take 'no' for an answer? 9x19 mm."
"If you can legally protect yourself through concealed firearms, you probably should."
"You should find any [legal] way to defend yourself."

Hear, hear.

Many tech/current web affairs channels I watch have similar opinions on liberty-related topics, but out of all of them, I didn't expected Muta to advocate for 2A so openly. The mainstream sponsors don't really like it.

What do you think about this?

Please keep it civil. :)

[.EteRnal.]

Mutahar lives in Canada, I highly doubt his statement was related to the second amendment. There are other countries in the world that allow you to conceal-carry firearms. He also discussed less-lethal options in the video.

[kilésengati]

Originally posted by "MD":

"Discussing them to make them better"

Yet another cause behind much of the chaos and division around us today. Too many people bringing up too much crap they feel needs to be discussed and resolved, when clearly a majority rule has already been established on it. Everyone now has a soapbox. So many we can't function as a society because there are soapboxes everywhere piling up around us.

Just my opinion.

Interesting opinion you discuss. ;P
But I think people taking things out of context ruin everything for everyone.

[Vince ✟]

Originally posted by kilésengati:

Interesting opinion you discuss. ;P
But I think people taking things out of context ruin everything for everyone.

Apologies. I know he is a big streamer with plenty of fans. As I get older I realize it isn't really for me anyway as it is the youth who are creating their own future environment. I'll be long gone. For me, being less irritable about it all, less sarcastic and grumpy, and more considerate should be my goal. Cheers.

[Mr_Blank]

Considering he’s Canadian (and speaking as a Canadian myself) I understand this point of view. It is a very long and hard process to legally own a handgun for self defense in Canada, ESPECIALLY in the more populated areas of our country, so the ideaology of getting a gun for self defense as soon as possible makes sense based on where we live: it’s uncommon to own one in Canada, but it is incredibly common to own one in America. So I get what he’s saying: it’s a more common occurrence for people to own guns in America then in other places in the world (such as Canada) so owning one in America for self defense is a good move, since they are so commonly bought and used.

[kilésengati]

Originally posted by Mr_Blank:

Considering he’s Canadian (and speaking as a Canadian myself) I understand this point of view. It is a very long and hard process to legally own a handgun for self defense in Canada, ESPECIALLY in the more populated areas of our country, so the ideaology of getting a gun for self defense as soon as possible makes sense based on where we live: it’s uncommon to own one in Canada, but it is incredibly common to own one in America. So I get what he’s saying: it’s a more common occurrence for people to own guns in America then in other places in the world (such as Canada) so owning one in America for self defense is a good move, since they are so commonly bought and used.

The issue with that approach is that the scumbags Muta talks about don't care about the law and have their ways of obtaining illegal weapons. Now I think the bloke in the case example was highly opportunistic, didn't planned the thing (thoroughly) and didn't even had a weapon but his muscles, however a woman in this situation at least would have a chance if she had a weapon to defend herself.
Again, she's very luck it "only" was a kiss.

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

I am not entirely sure about Finnish gun laws but I am pretty sure it is extremely difficult to get a firearm and a permit to use one. Service in the Finnish Defense Forces (Suomen Puolustusvoimat) plays a crucial role in acquiring a firearm.

Guess what? I am screwed. All I can do is either buy pepper spray or throw some hands.
Then again I don't venture outdoors often so I am pretty much safe.
Finland is a safe country, however I am cautious at all times.
And no, I don't have paranoia! You are the one being paranoid!

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Originally posted by Q-T_3.14.exe:

And no, I don't have paranoia! You are the one being paranoid!

I do not have a pair of noids. I only have one of them.
:)

[Goose]

i think the average gun owner is an absolute untrained idiot who isn't going to properly defend themselves or anyone else.

no, you do not have the same training as an ex-mil or off-duty police officer.
good guy with a gun does not work.

though in personal self-defense situations? sure, M A Y B E.

[Psycho]

Originally posted by kilésengati:

Originally posted by Psycho:

I mean I just watched the video of the girl he's talking about in the video getting assaulted... and pepper spray would've been more useful than a gun to her in that position

The girl pulling a gun during that would've ended badly, it seems like the guy would just take it from her. He was already so close to her

But pepper spray she could have definitely used without having to worry about getting into any legal trouble like with a gun

So I think you should always carry some kind of defense on you. But sometimes less lethal is better than lethal. So if you do carry a gun, you should carry pepper spray too

The chance of pepperspray backfiring is way higher than that of a firearm and doesn't always deter the attacker. Obviously, you can't mindlessly use a firearm either. Since it was such a close encounter, I think it would've ended in a struggle, like that incident with that female off-duty police officer. But it would have with peperspray or other less-lethal arms as well. The best protection she had was the publicity from the stream, I guess, but that's something average people don't have and shouldn't strive for as a society.
And it's always a good idea to have legal insurance.

Nah I believe having pepper spray would have protected her more than her stream did. I mean her stream didn't stop the assault, pepper spray would've had a very strong chance to. And if no one was around he could have continued the assault as long as he wanted to, while the stream could do nothing to stop it

The streaming community can handle the aftermath of the assault, and get the guy caught... but pepper spray can stop the assault while it's taking place

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Psycho:

Originally posted by kilésengati:

The chance of pepperspray backfiring is way higher than that of a firearm and doesn't always deter the attacker. Obviously, you can't mindlessly use a firearm either. Since it was such a close encounter, I think it would've ended in a struggle, like that incident with that female off-duty police officer. But it would have with peperspray or other less-lethal arms as well. The best protection she had was the publicity from the stream, I guess, but that's something average people don't have and shouldn't strive for as a society.
And it's always a good idea to have legal insurance.

Nah I believe having pepper spray would have protected her more than her stream did. I mean her stream didn't stop the assault, pepper spray would've had a very strong chance to. And if no one was around he could have continued the assault as long as he wanted to, while the stream could do nothing to stop it

The streaming community can handle the aftermath of the assault, and get the guy caught... but pepper spray can stop the assault while it's taking place

Pepper spray has blowback.

[Goose]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by Psycho:

Nah I believe having pepper spray would have protected her more than her stream did. I mean her stream didn't stop the assault, pepper spray would've had a very strong chance to. And if no one was around he could have continued the assault as long as he wanted to, while the stream could do nothing to stop it

The streaming community can handle the aftermath of the assault, and get the guy caught... but pepper spray can stop the assault while it's taking place

Pepper spray has blowback.

"the germans unleashing their spicy air when suddenly the wind changes:"

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Molon labe.

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by Out Of Bubblegum:

The 2A has always been a scam. It was a way for the rich people of the time to avoid taxes. They would not have to pay for a standing army. They could get the peasants to be an army when needed using weapons they bought themselves. While the rich people get the benefits.

Sometimes I wonder whether OT is more out of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minds than /pol/.

[Goose]

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

Originally posted by Out Of Bubblegum:

The 2A has always been a scam. It was a way for the rich people of the time to avoid taxes. They would not have to pay for a standing army. They could get the peasants to be an army when needed using weapons they bought themselves. While the rich people get the benefits.

Sometimes I wonder whether OT is more out of their ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ minds than /pol/.

at least the people on OT are capable of earning enough money to buy steam games.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Originally posted by Goose:

i think the average gun owner is an absolute untrained idiot who isn't going to properly defend themselves or anyone else.

no, you do not have the same training as an ex-mil or off-duty police officer.
good guy with a gun does not work.

Just say you hate guns and gun owners. It's easier.