I dont understand religious people

[Murassa [TR]]

So you are telling me there is people who believe the existance of a so called "God" despite the fact there is no evidence (and never was) of said "God" existing... Not even most of these people know if said "God" exists lmao, which makes their logic very flawed

So whats the point of believing god?
Why are you doing it?
What do you get out of this?

Is there am I missing here? I seriously struggle to understand such thing here...

[Zilkenian Davenport]

Technically speaking, I'm religious, and I've grown in a religious family. I think something or someone of far greater presence than us is out there, but I have no idea what it is.

Now, do I believe everyone should share my beliefs? No. Each person is free to believe what they think is better for them.

I'm not going to force anyone to share my beliefs, I'm in no need for validation, I just chill with what I believe.

[☎need4naiim☎]

mai72님이 먼저 게시:

If you are a Christian, you don't believe in all of those other gods and religions. The same goes for Muslims who don't believe in YOUR god, and all those other religions. The same goes for Jews, Hindus, etc.

i have written umpteenth time in these forums that the God of Muslims, Christians and Jews is same Phenomenon, same creator, same God. Chistians mostly call it as God. Muslims mostly call it as Allah, Rahman, Rab. Jews call it Jehovah. Read below an earlier post of mine:

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

Birds님이 먼저 게시:

They're completely different entities, and Allah is the only acceptable way to write the word in English.

It is NOT recommended to talk about Islam before reading Qur'an, the Holy Book that was revelated upon The Prophet Muhammed. The God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam is the same power, same GOD. This is not my opinion, this is solely emphasized in Qur'anic verses many times 1400+ years ago. Want proofs here? Here some of those verses, translated from Arabic originals:

29:46 Do not argue with the People of the Book (People who believe in Abrahamic Religions) unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”

5:44 Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers.

3:84 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord—we make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”


In Arabic, this deity is called as Allah, most of the time. Allah (The God) has several names. Not just one.

[mai72]

NAMEB4NNED님이 먼저 게시:

mai72님이 먼저 게시:

1. For the MILLIONTH time atheism is NOT A FAITH. Its a response to a claim. The response is I reject your claim(s) about said god or gods because there just isn't enough evidence. The old saying is YOU are also an atheist. If you are a Christian, you don't believe in all of those other gods and religions. The same goes for Muslims who don't believe in YOUR god, and all those other religions. The same goes for Jews, Hindus, etc.

2. We have found the building blocks of life that have been discovered on meteorites. And the Urey miller experiment in the early 1960's has shown how life can develop when the environment on earth is correct. And so, science has shown how life can form from meteorites that have crashed on earth. If we assign what we know numerical from 1-10, we have the answers to 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10. We only need the answers to 4 and 6 to answer how life formed on this planet. What theist like yourself do is you inject god, which is a fallacy from ignorance. But, like how we thought thunderstorms and lightening were from a god, we will be able to point to how life and the universe formed. We are on the right path.

3. Only theist and creationist say SOMETHING FROM NOTHING. Cosmologist who study the universe for a living and who know waaaay more about the universe than you or I don't use that type of language. Many now believe that there was always something. Dark matter for example. Now, they are in-disagreement over how it came to be, or how it got there. But, that is the beauty of science. More research will be needed. What you don't get to do is state IT WAS GOD because that is special pleading, and the fallacy from ignorance. The honest answer is I DON'T KNOW. We don't know until more research is done on how the universe came into existence.

4. Kent Hovind has been debunked many times. Kent isn't even a biologist, and is a CON person. Evolution is a FACT. Its the cornerstone of Biology. Forrest Valkai who is a REAL Biologist who has multiple degrees in the field of Biology takes down many creationist on his channel. Forrest easily dismantles Matthew Powell who is young earth creationist. Also, I will add that macro evolution is real. We have the transitional fossils to prove this. Forrest was going to debate Catholic apologist Matt Walsh on evolution, but Matt declined because he wanted full access to the debate tapes. What he was going to do was edit the debate with little clips, take stuff out because it made him look like a fool, because he was debating an ACTUAL biologist. Forrest said no you can't keep the film for yourself and Matt declined the debate. AKA. Matt would had gotten owned. And finally, Paulogia does an excellent job debunking Kent on his channel. There are many videos on Paul's channel about Kent's claims and they are all easily debunked.

5. We don't have gills because there is a thing called evolutionary pressure. Whales for example have hidden limbs. We have a tail because our ancestors were chimps. We once swung from tree to tree. When we evolved to exist in our environment we lost those appendages that didn't serve us anymore. Its why we don't have gills or a tail. They stopped being useful and so they disappeared. We also share 98.8% of our DNA with chimps. You should go check out Forrest YT channel. Its quite informative. Also, science discoveries are theories because within science nothing ever stays the same. Its always changing which is a good thing. Religion OTOH is dogmatic. The practice is ignorance, and never changes course even in the face of scientific data that shows other wise. i'm speaking mostly to the Quran, Torah and the Bible.

6. Its seems like you are heavily indoctrinated. maybe you are or aren't. My girlfriend is Thai. She isn't worried about your Christian hell, but the Buddhist hell realms. Thailand is OVERWHELMINGLY Buddhist. And so, they believe in ghost, spirits, reincarnation, rebirth, karma, etc. Imagine that. I've had to convince her that those things aren't real, and you probably would say the same because you were born into another culture. This is why I'm an atheist. Where you are born and the family that you are born into has a direct impact on your beliefs. You'd be a Buddhist if you were born in Thailand today. Or an Aztec who believed in the sun gods, or a Muslim if you were born in Iran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BM4qj-mqm50

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ do expect people to actually read that lol

Yea, its a lot of words. Meh.

[mai72]

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

mai72님이 먼저 게시:

If you are a Christian, you don't believe in all of those other gods and religions. The same goes for Muslims who don't believe in YOUR god, and all those other religions. The same goes for Jews, Hindus, etc.

i have written umpteenth time in these forums that the God of Muslims, Christians and Jews is same Phenomenon, same creator, same God. Chistians mostly call it as God. Muslims mostly call it as Allah, Rahman, Rab. Jews call it Jehovah. Read below an earlier post of mine:

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

It is NOT recommended to talk about Islam before reading Qur'an, the Holy Book that was revelated upon The Prophet Muhammed. The God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam is the same power, same GOD. This is not my opinion, this is solely emphasized in Qur'anic verses many times 1400+ years ago. Want proofs here? Here some of those verses, translated from Arabic originals:

29:46 Do not argue with the People of the Book (People who believe in Abrahamic Religions) unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”

5:44 Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers.

3:84 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord—we make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”


In Arabic, this deity is called as Allah, most of the time. Allah (The God) has several names. Not just one. :transformicon:

But, its kinda not the same god because they all have specific beliefs that you must follow to be saved. For Christianity, its the belief that Jesus is the messiah and he died for your sins. Some Christian denominations are both faith and works based. Some strictly faith based. Muslims believe that you must believe in the prophet Muhammad as the final prophet to be saved. And follow the rules set in the holy Quran like pray 5X a day, etc.

If you were to ask most Christians about Allah they'd probably tell you that Muslims have been deceived and that he is the devil. Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet and that Christians are mistaken, and believe in 3 gods which would make them polytheist.

I do get what you're saying though.

[☎need4naiim☎]

mai72님이 먼저 게시:

But, its kinda not the same god because they all have specific beliefs that you must follow to be saved. For Christianity, its the belief that Jesus is the messiah and he died for your sins. Some Christian denominations are both faith and works based. Some strictly faith based. Muslims believe that you must believe in the prophet Muhammad as the final prophet to be saved. And follow the rules set in the holy Quran like pray 5X a day, etc.

If you were to ask most Christians about Allah they'd probably tell you that Muslims have been deceived and that he is the devil. Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet and that Christians are mistaken, and believe in 3 gods which would make them polytheist.

I do get what you're saying though.

NONE of the above was an opinion of mine. I only brought DIRECT VERSES from Qur'an. I write again:

29:46 Do not argue with the People of the Book (People who believe in Abrahamic Religions) unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”

5:44 Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers.

3:84 Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; and what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord—we make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”


I have plethora of Christian friends and a few Jewish ones, i talked them about this, all of them know that we are believing in same God.

It is only some Atheists that are extremely utterly stubborn to talk FOR us, as if they believe in our God and know more than us about Torah, Bible, Psalms, Qur'an.

[apathy]

repaeR님이 먼저 게시:

I think that in bible, there is story about one guy named Job. He basically got everything he desired because he's faithful to God, so the Devil argued with God that Job was only faithful because God gave him things that he desired, if his life turns badly then he would hate God then. Devil wants to be proven right, so God let him, but He told the Devil that you could do the "test", but whatever you do, you don't take his life. So, Job's life did turn upside down, he lost everything except his life, but he still never hated God, even there are people asking him why he still didn't hate God when He didn't hear his cry, he still believes that God loves him no matter what. The Devil failed to turn Job against God, because Job never lost faith.

That's probably one of the worse stories from the religious texts. God and Satan are chilling out in Heaven and both decide to be absolute di©ks to this one guy until he loses everything. When his mind breaks, God tells him off, give him new children (the original stay dead because he's a troll), and God gets his stupid meaningless victory in a childish game.

I would rather never exist, than find out both b@stards are real and I'm forced to be an NPC in their machinations and schemes.

AdahnGorion님이 먼저 게시:

Allah means God, it is the same god for all the Abrahamic religions.

The Jews believe in Yahweh. Not Allah. Islam came some 600 years after Judaism.

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

It is only some Atheists that are extremely utterly stubborn to talk FOR us, as if they believe in our God and know more than us about Torah, Bible, Psalms, Qur'an.

I'm not surprised you're getting that treatment when you're preaching.

[MancSoulja]

apathy님이 먼저 게시:

The Jews believe in Yahweh. Not Allah. Islam came some 600 years after Judaism.

Science came 13.7 Billion years before Judaism.

[apathy]

MancSoulja님이 먼저 게시:

apathy님이 먼저 게시:

The Jews believe in Yahweh. Not Allah. Islam came some 600 years after Judaism.

Science came 13.7 Billion years before Judaism.

You are confusing the map for the location. The scientific method is a tool, a process, we humans created. Its not the universe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

[☎need4naiim☎]

apathy님이 먼저 게시:

AdahnGorion님이 먼저 게시:

Allah means God, it is the same god for all the Abrahamic religions.

The Jews believe in Yahweh. Not Allah. Islam came some 600 years after Judaism.

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

It is only some Atheists that are extremely utterly stubborn to talk FOR us, as if they believe in our God and know more than us about Torah, Bible, Psalms, Qur'an.

I'm not surprised you're getting that treatment when you're preaching.

and now, you are not preaching?

That's why religious threads get crowded by Materialists over time.

[apathy]

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

apathy님이 먼저 게시:

The Jews believe in Yahweh. Not Allah. Islam came some 600 years after Judaism.


I'm not surprised you're getting that treatment when you're preaching.

and now, you are not preaching?

That's why religious threads get crowded by Materialists over time.

The IQs are dropping sharply tonight.

Responding to your post, and correcting your error, isn't preaching.

You owned up 2-3 pages ago to preaching by copy-pasting verses from the Quran and stated they weren't your own original thoughts or opinions.

Why are you arguing with yourself?

[☎need4naiim☎]

apathy님이 먼저 게시:

☎need4naiim☎님이 먼저 게시:

and now, you are not preaching?

That's why religious threads get crowded by Materialists over time.

The IQs are dropping sharply tonight.

Responding to your post, and correcting your error, isn't preaching.

You owned up 2-3 pages ago to preaching by copy-pasting verses from the Quran and stated they weren't your own original thoughts or opinions.

Why are you arguing with yourself?

if someone talks FALSE INFO about Holy Books' INGREDIENTS without bringing up direct verses here, then it is an onus for me to bring up direct data from the Holy Books that billions trust.

Don't rattle when i bring direct verses, instead of a random opinion.

Will you believe in what i write? Of course not.

That's not the point.

[Bomb Shot]

I think religious and atheist should not force their beliefs to each other.

BIP. Believe in peace.

[repaeR]

Not Big Surprise님이 먼저 게시:

repaeR님이 먼저 게시:

I don't know, but to me, if you got no pulse for a quite long period of time, you don't just get revived then said that it was nothing. Mind you that having pulse is different from no breathing. Kinda why whenever you come across a "dead body", you do check pulse first before anything else.

see here's the thing
the heart pumps blood through your system, and that blood carries oxygen through it
it takes a while between the moment the heart stops and the point sufficient brain cells die to effectively kill the person
the lack of oxygen does, however, cause visions

okay, so what is it that you are trying to say? So what does it mean if a person is in a fatal car accident, and he/she has no pulse? What's about case like that? It's more than just "lack of oxygen".

[repaeR]

apathy님이 먼저 게시:

repaeR님이 먼저 게시:

I think that in bible, there is story about one guy named Job. He basically got everything he desired because he's faithful to God, so the Devil argued with God that Job was only faithful because God gave him things that he desired, if his life turns badly then he would hate God then. Devil wants to be proven right, so God let him, but He told the Devil that you could do the "test", but whatever you do, you don't take his life. So, Job's life did turn upside down, he lost everything except his life, but he still never hated God, even there are people asking him why he still didn't hate God when He didn't hear his cry, he still believes that God loves him no matter what. The Devil failed to turn Job against God, because Job never lost faith.

That's probably one of the worse stories from the religious texts. God and Satan are chilling out in Heaven and both decide to be absolute di©ks to this one guy until he loses everything. When his mind breaks, God tells him off, give him new children (the original stay dead because he's a troll), and God gets his stupid meaningless victory in a childish game.

I would rather never exist, than find out both b@stards are real and I'm forced to be an NPC in their machinations and schemes.

Hey if that's what you feel that way, then that's what the Devil always ultimately wanted: to make you to hate God, he doesn't care if you hate him or not, or worship him, or you don't take side, or whatever, he doesn't care any of that, you do whatever you want. As long as you don't worship Jesus, as long as you don't listen to God, you are in a good place for the Devil. Funny how that works eh!?

God and Satan aren't "chilling out" in Heaven, don't know where you got that from, and you shouldn't take things like that. Satan always submit to Jesus, he was created as an angel like many others, he was cast out of heaven because of his pride, he still retained his beauty and stuff, but he is always powerless before Jesus.

Everyone got a plan, maybe you should think that Job's story was a good example of what true faith is, not thinking the other way. Job surely got a choice to hate God because he surely can think that he was just a pawn for God, he could think for himself, but he chose not to.

[Tsubame ⭐]

I believe in the Roman Jupiter god and his harem.

Please disprove their existence.

We can see even see them in the sky.