Modern games are really depressing.

[Mathius]

I can't help but wonder if we had to run the labyrinths 20x to get the item we needed to open the next cave in the original Legend of Zelda because the dungeon results were random if gaming would have taken off like it did. (this is obviously just one example)

RNG in gaming has gotten out of hand. Maybe it's just because I don't have an addictive personality, but I can't stand how acceptable it's been to add grinding, farming, and random loot to every game coming out.

Do the same cave over and over again, or the same mission over and over again, until you get the reward you really wanted.

I find myself playing the same games over and over again more out of comfort than any actual enjoyment.

I have also developed a level of anxiety about playing new games because I've been so disappointed. In fact, when I say "new game" I'm not even talking about recent games, I'm talking about games people have considered borderland classics like the Arkham games, or Witcher III.

I think the newest game I've played might be Outer Worlds, which was extremely average and felt like it had way less replayability than other games of its type.

I have probably 300 games in my Steam library I haven't even attempted to play.

I keep hearing people say, "Try Indy games" but this is starting to feel like a hipster thing, because I've literally never seen an Indy game that has the level of 3d environment that a Fallout, Skryim, Ark, etc. has.

The vast majority of indy games I've seen are the basic side scrollers I spent much of my childhood playing.

I also have a high degree of let down with sequels. The original game was a blast, but the new game changed features, ignored the lore, added the most "popular" features until it was like everything else.

I remembering thinking in the early 2000's that I liked God of War, and MGS3 and would gladly pay a slightly cheaper price point to play the same game just with new levels.

Then DLC's took off shortly after that and for a short minute this was exactly what they were. But there seems to be a point after about a year where developers just stop making new content for old games.

EDIT: Forgot to mention cosmetics and MTX. The number of people willing to pay extra money for a stupid skin that literally doesn't effect gameplay at all... and worse the ones that pay for an advantage because what they're buying helps them in game.

[Mathius]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crazy Tiger:

I play games back to the 80s as well. Still doesn't mean modern games are "depressing".

The view in general in the OP is what I call nostalgic.

You've literally provided zero argument to prove that modern gaming is getting better. You just say I have rose colored glasses on.

I'll be the first to admit I don't run out and buy all the new titles. To start with, marketing is a failure these days because advertising is toxic. Someone wrote an article comparing modern advertising to cancer and it was spot on.

The point is, these games are not only over-hyped, but these entitled "children" get mad if they don't hear anything about an upcoming title, like they're owed news. We didn't even know a game was coming out pre and early internet unless you were subscribed to a magazine or religiously checked a website.

How is anything supposed to live up to hype when everything is over-hyped? People on message boards all say they're going to be cautious and then a game is released and everyone buys it.

Take Starfield for example. There's a thread on the Fallout 4 board right now (they're both Bethesda games) where a number of people have come forth and said they got refunded because they don't like it. There's a ton of complaints about the politics and the lackluster gameplay on the Starfield forum. But the reviews are all high and the game has literally been out days.

Game devs have accustomed me to a specific type of game, where I have an open world to explore, and 250 hours is a starting point, but now they're not living up to their own standards and filling everything with filler crap.

[Mathius]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Aardvark:

As someone who plays multiplayer a lot, I find most multiplayer games frustrating and lacking fun due to most players being toxic and immature and having no level of respect at all.

I've been playing on line literally since before the internet was a thing and we had text based games called MUDS. I played Doom and Quake, and that's about the time I took a break when I started dating and doing other things.

Then I came back and tried to play either Warcraft II or III online, back before World of Warcraft existed and I recall getting destroyed in 29 seconds. For some reason, I'm remembering it was like a 12 year old kid, but my brain might have invented that because I can't think of any way I would know that. I just know, I decided right then and there, that I had a job, and I couldn't compete with these gamers that were playing all the time.

Fast foward to 2018 and a co-worker talked me into buying Ark to play online with her, and she talked me into joining an official server because "that's what she'd do." She ended up never playing the game with me at all, (in fact, we're not friends anymore) and I went on to get introduced to all the modern despicable behavior of online play.

I'm not even talking about the people who cheat, or DDOS, or violate the ToS. I'm talking about just things like inherent selfishness, backstabbing, and just generally being poor human beings. Most of them ACT like they're playing a single player game, or with a small group and go out of their way to screw over everyone else, or at the very least not care that they're cohabiting a game world with another real human being.

[Mathius]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Brutal Sensualist:

Devil May Cry 5
You might want to check out how hard and expensive is to actually do 3D environment like in these games you mentioned.

Ark was literally created using a tutorial game in the Unreal Dev kit. If you buy Ark and run the game it still says "shootergame.exe"

That's another thing. Why do we keep coddling these game devs? I'm not talking about the people complaining about "crunch." That's absolutely not acceptable.

I'm talking about the vast growing population of gamers that act like the devs are doing their best job and it's always the publisher or the company's fault.

Most of these guys come out of college under qualified because the college curriculums are generally behind the technology and these kids aren't good students and just google the answers.

It's literally a meme on the programming reddit's about people who are paid devs googling answers and code snippets.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από kilésengati:

The first Assassin's Creed was a groundbreaking titles, but the industry stopped innovating and virtually every open-world game copies its gameplay loop now.

MTX went a long way towards killing innovation. Why innovate when people will pay for anything?

[Crazy Tiger]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mathius:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crazy Tiger:

I play games back to the 80s as well. Still doesn't mean modern games are "depressing".

The view in general in the OP is what I call nostalgic.

You've literally provided zero argument to prove that modern gaming is getting better. You just say I have rose colored glasses on.

I'll be the first to admit I don't run out and buy all the new titles. To start with, marketing is a failure these days because advertising is toxic. Someone wrote an article comparing modern advertising to cancer and it was spot on.

The point is, these games are not only over-hyped, but these entitled "children" get mad if they don't hear anything about an upcoming title, like they're owed news. We didn't even know a game was coming out pre and early internet unless you were subscribed to a magazine or religiously checked a website.

How is anything supposed to live up to hype when everything is over-hyped? People on message boards all say they're going to be cautious and then a game is released and everyone buys it.

Take Starfield for example. There's a thread on the Fallout 4 board right now (they're both Bethesda games) where a number of people have come forth and said they got refunded because they don't like it. There's a ton of complaints about the politics and the lackluster gameplay on the Starfield forum. But the reviews are all high and the game has literally been out days.

Game devs have accustomed me to a specific type of game, where I have an open world to explore, and 250 hours is a starting point, but now they're not living up to their own standards and filling everything with filler crap.

I enjoy playing the games I played in the past, I enjoy games made nowadays. Gaming hasn't become "worse" or "better", it's still highly enjoyable as it always has been. I think I even enjoy gaming now more than I did when I was a teen in the 90s. I would have killed for a game like one of the Horizon games back in my teens, lol.

If people let hype get the better of themselves, that's on them. I never understood why people overhype themselves, though. But I've always been a patient gamer.
That said, I don't take "gamer complaints" like your example too serious. People complain about anything nowadays. Social media have spoiled people into thinking their every word is somehow important.

The industry has changed, yes. People getting older also change. And all that does mean for some people that these changes went into a different direction. Which is fine, btw. But it still doesn't mean that modern gaming as it is, is "depressing". There are so many great games coming out, I can't call that "depressing" in any way. And I certainly don't recognise the "adding grinding, farming and looting to every game". Though I don't mind looting, I love loot. Plenty of games I play (I play single player, mind) don't have that.

But you should play the games that you enjoy. And if you don't enjoy playing them, you might want to rethink things and try a different hobby occassionally. Cause it does sound a bit like your jaded/burned out on gaming.

[Mathius]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crazy Tiger:

I enjoy playing the games I played in the past, I enjoy games made nowadays. Gaming hasn't become "worse" or "better", it's still highly enjoyable as it always has been. I think I even enjoy gaming now more than I did when I was a teen in the 90s. I would have killed for a game like one of the Horizon games back in my teens, lol.

So you like modern games, so that means they're good, automatically?

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crazy Tiger:

Social media have spoiled people into thinking their every word is somehow important.

And yet, here you are saying modern games are good and the only reason you've given is you like them.