Do you think the concept of reincarnation is evil?

[Starfarer]

I mean the idea that you forget and lose all your loved ones and that your soul is forced against your will to go back into a physical body in an imperfect universe sounds pretty malevolent, no matter how much you argue about how it is meant to teach you lessons. Also, I’m referring to the classic concept of reincarnation, not the New Age concept of it where you have a choice in the matter.

This is just a thought and not intended to be a slant toward any religion.

[Devsman]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%209%3A27-28&version=NLT

And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, so also Christ was offered once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him.

[Starfarer]

Devsman původně napsal:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%209%3A27-28&version=NLT

And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, so also Christ was offered once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him.

Based

[Starfarer]

Specter původně napsal:

Nature isn't evil. Hearing people with a near-death experience talking how blissful death is, it's a good enough evidence to me because death is part of nature too. So if nature can be that gentle to people who die of natural death, I don't believe that reincarnation is necessarily painful. Maybe your spirit takes a rest before entering a new body, and your new body doesn't remember your previous life.

Good point as I have heard those stories too. But hypothetically speaking, could the spirits that lead them to those decisions be false prophets that are actually jailers and intend to keep their souls trapped in an imperfect world just because the world is their creation? What if the spirits deny the souls of their true home?

[Starfarer]

Specter původně napsal:

Scurrybt původně napsal:

Good point as I have heard those stories too. But hypothetically speaking, could the spirits that lead them to those decisions be false prophets that are actually jailers and intend to keep their souls trapped in an imperfect world just because the world is their creation? What if the spirits deny the souls of their true home?

I'm a bit skeptical when reading and hearing about things that aren't proven to exist, much less false prophets. I'm agnostic but this topic enters an area I'm not interested to discuss. If there is such thing as spirits and reincarnation, I believe it may be because there's a good reason for it. If we are being trapped on this world, maybe we need to learn something which we haven't. I see everything as part of nature and its laws, and nature rarely makes mistakes. Especially not of such a great scale.

Good point, but one thing I will give Abrahamic religions credit for is that they covered this idea by saying there is a god of this world that is a great deceiver that works in physical and spiritual realms. It would make sense it wouldn’t want any souls to escape and return to their origin and true god, and employ demons disguised as spirits to lie about lessons needing to be learned.

[isomorphic_projection]

More time for vengeance.

[craigsters]

I like the ideal of returning as a seagull and stealing everyone's french Fries or became a household cat and tormenting my owner

[Vendicator Senpai]

Depends on whether or not if truck kun is evil or neutral

[Starfarer]

isomorphic_projection původně napsal:

More time for vengeance.

Lol. However, you really wouldn’t remember who you would want revenge against so…

[Sidakte]

Scurrybt původně napsal:

I mean the idea that you forget and lose all your loved ones and that your soul is forced against your will to go back into a physical body in an imperfect universe sounds pretty malevolent, no matter how much you argue about how it is meant to teach you lessons. Also, I’m referring to the classic concept of reincarnation, not the New Age concept of it where you have a choice in the matter.

This is just a thought and not intended to be a slant toward any religion.

interesting thought.
well the way i see it, i don't really see it as evil per se, but the process is called Samsara (the cyclicity of life and experience) for this reason.
that reincarnation means that the person must return to this world because they have unfinished business, wouldn't say about lesson teaching.

i've also heard that people who won't have kids are the ones that break the cycle and escape Samsara, always according to this specific tradition. that if kids are to be had, that this enforces the reincarnation. but i wouldn't say that is evil per se.

[Starfarer]

𝙎𝙞𝙙𝙖𝙠𝙩𝙚 původně napsal:

Scurrybt původně napsal:

I mean the idea that you forget and lose all your loved ones and that your soul is forced against your will to go back into a physical body in an imperfect universe sounds pretty malevolent, no matter how much you argue about how it is meant to teach you lessons. Also, I’m referring to the classic concept of reincarnation, not the New Age concept of it where you have a choice in the matter.

This is just a thought and not intended to be a slant toward any religion.

interesting thought.
well the way i see it, i don't really see it as evil per se, but the process is called Samsara (the cyclicity of life and experience) for this reason.
that reincarnation means that the person must return to this world because they have unfinished business, wouldn't say about lesson teaching.

i've also heard that people who won't have kids are the ones that break the cycle and escape Samsara, always according to this specific tradition. that if kids are to be had, that this enforces the reincarnation. but i wouldn't say that is evil per se.

Interesting point about not having children! You should look into the ancient Christian religion Catharism. It’s extinct due to greed-enforced genocide by the church, but they have similar viewpoints when it comes to children and reincarnation.

[Sidakte]

Scurrybt původně napsal:

Interesting point about not having children! You should look into the ancient Christian religion Catharism. It’s extinct due to greed-enforced genocide by the church, but they have similar viewpoints when it comes to children and reincarnation.

i've only seen this specific one mentioned couple times in articles and two books so far but i've never delved into it. i will thanks for this.
this kinda adds to the theory that early Christianity definitely had Buddhist influence. thank you for this mate.

[Starfarer]

𝙎𝙞𝙙𝙖𝙠𝙩𝙚 původně napsal:

Scurrybt původně napsal:

Interesting point about not having children! You should look into the ancient Christian religion Catharism. It’s extinct due to greed-enforced genocide by the church, but they have similar viewpoints when it comes to children and reincarnation.

i've only seen this specific one mentioned couple times in articles and two books so far but i've never delved into it. i will thanks for this.
this kinda adds to the theory that early Christianity definitely had Buddhist influence. thank you for this mate.

No problem!

[Chalupacabaras]

Specter původně napsal:

Nature isn't evil. Hearing people with a near-death experience talk how blissful death is, it's a good enough evidence to me because death is part of nature too. So if nature can be that gentle to people who die of natural death, I don't believe that reincarnation is necessarily painful. Maybe your spirit takes a rest before entering a new body, and your new body doesn't remember your previous life.

Having had an NDE, I'm in no hurry for a second date with Grimmy but I ain't gonna say no when the time finally comes for the "happily ever after".

[nohuman]

but but...what about all those people that have memories from past lives?? I wonder if aliens probed any of them in multiple iterations of their lives? Now that would be getting a little weird already....

[Rio]

Reincarnation is suffering.