Has someone who eats meat the right to lecture other people about animal-welfare related stuff

[Angry Gandalf]

,without being a hypocrite?
And I'm not talking about the folks who tend to hunt their own food and eat it, which I respect.
I'm rather talking about the average Joe in the Western World who insist on eating meat because of the sake of it. You know the type. "I MAN CAUSE I EAT MEAT". *grunt* *grunt*
Or the "I love cats and dogs type, but I also love to shove down 100 pounds of meat a week down my gullet"-type

So do "these" people have the right to lecture other people about animal cruelty, animal-welfare or anything similar?

[Under there]

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yes.
just because you don't eat hamburgers does not mean its fair to keep a pet husky in your 400sqft 7th floor apartment.

Whataboutism at it's finest. That husky-dude would be as much as a hypocrite as your average eat-meating dork.

yeah i love animals so i don't eat hotdogs
*eats an entire jungle worth of bananas to meet his daily protein requirement. the increasingly weak shrieks of starving monkeys can be heard in the background*

[Slim]

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Oppose to the vegans who pride themselves on being the saviours of the animal kingdom while pushing for the extinction of said animals?

Are you talking about the extinction of the average burger-animal?
I got news for you buddy, the cheeseburger-tree is a hoax.

Cows extinct. Chickens extinct. Turkeys, sheep and several species of goats, seafood and pigs extinct.

Don't recall the herds of dairy cows roaming the forests and chickens flocks across the plains.

[Angry Gandalf]

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Perhaps go out into the wild and yell at the animals to stop attacking and eating each other... good luck!

Animal Welfare != Animal Rights

Animal welfare is a fact-driven approach to our relationship with animals and preventing the suffering of them. A person who eats eggs, might not agree with caged eggs and select free ranged eggs. They might support the rights for a cow to be outside eating grass, but still eat a burger. Care for pets, yet eat venison (deer) meat.

Animal rights is an ethical emotional driven view which cannot be evaluated in the scientific sense. You want to prevent something which happens naturally in nature and can not be stopped anyways.

You're right, pardon me.
A lion eating a gazelle like you eating a burger at McDonalds.
I got it.

[Azza ☠]

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Perhaps go out into the wild and yell at the animals to stop attacking and eating each other... good luck!

Animal Welfare != Animal Rights

Animal welfare is a fact-driven approach to our relationship with animals and preventing the suffering of them. I person who eats eggs, might not agree with caged eggs and select free ranged eggs. They might support the rights for a cow to be outside eating grass, but still eat a burger. Care for pets, yet eat venison (deer) meat.

Animal rights is an ethical emotional driven view which cannot be evaluated in the scientific sense. You want to prevent something which happens naturally in nature and can not be stopped anyways.

Yes, sometimes we forget about the needs of the human animal.

Yes, humans are animals too.

I personally believe in the Devolution theory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L99UMoLvkrI

[Angry Gandalf]

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Are you talking about the extinction of the average burger-animal?
I got news for you buddy, the cheeseburger-tree is a hoax.

Cows extinct. Chickens extinct. Turkeys, sheep and several species of goats, seafood and pigs extinct.

Don't recall the herds of dairy cows roaming the forests and chickens flocks across the plains.

Wow....What a vivid imagination :D

[Slim]

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Whataboutism at it's finest. That husky-dude would be as much as a hypocrite as your average eat-meating dork.

yeah i love animals so i don't eat hotdogs
*eats an entire jungle worth of bananas to meet his daily protein requirement. the increasingly weak shrieks of starving monkeys can be heard in the background*

Don't forget the poisoned rivers from pesticides that killed off all the bees to keep the avocado toast going.

[MinionJoe]

Damn. And now I'm hungry. I'm going to go kill and eat a gazelle now. BRB.

[Angry Gandalf]

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Damn. And now I'm hungry. I'm going to go kill and eat a gazelle now. BRB.

Don't flatter yourself, this isn't "The Hunt", big man. Someone like you would rather catch a disease than something else.

[Your_White_Knight]

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Has someone who eats meat the right to lecture other people about animal-welfare related stuff

,without being a hypocrite?
And I'm not talking about the folks who tend to hunt their own food and eat it, which I respect.
I'm rather talking about the average Joe in the Western World who insist on eating meat because of the sake of it. You know the type. "I MAN CAUSE I EAT MEAT". *grunt* *grunt*
Or the "I love cats and dogs type, but I also love to shove down 100 pounds of meat a week down my gullet"-type

So do "these" people have the right to lecture other people about animal cruelty, animal-welfare or anything similar?

Yes.

Glad to help you OP.

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,without being a hypocrite?
And I'm not talking about the folks who tend to hunt their own food and eat it, which I respect.
I'm rather talking about the average Joe in the Western World who insist on eating meat because of the sake of it. You know the type. "I MAN CAUSE I EAT MEAT". *grunt* *grunt*
Or the "I love cats and dogs type, but I also love to shove down 100 pounds of meat a week down my gullet"-type

So do "these" people have the right to lecture other people about animal cruelty, animal-welfare or anything similar?

Sure, everyone has the right to be a hypocrite and if they are a hypocrite depends on what they lecture about. I guess its technically better for animals if more people spread awareness, even if some of those who does it are hypocrites.

Not saying being a hypocrite is a good thing, of course, just that its not a crime.

[Angry Gandalf]

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Glad to help you OP.

You didn't.
But it's okay, if that let's you sleep at night.
Have a good one.

[Your_White_Knight]

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Azza ☠ původně napsal:

Perhaps go out into the wild and yell at the animals to stop attacking and eating each other... good luck!

Animal Welfare != Animal Rights

Animal welfare is a fact-driven approach to our relationship with animals and preventing the suffering of them. A person who eats eggs, might not agree with caged eggs and select free ranged eggs. They might support the rights for a cow to be outside eating grass, but still eat a burger. Care for pets, yet eat venison (deer) meat.

Animal rights is an ethical emotional driven view which cannot be evaluated in the scientific sense. You want to prevent something which happens naturally in nature and can not be stopped anyways.

You're right, pardon me.
A lion eating a gazelle like you eating a burger at McDonalds.
I got it.

YES...

Glad to help you again OP.

[Your_White_Knight]

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Glad to help you OP.

You didn't.
But it's okay, if that let's you sleep at night.
Have a good one.

I do.

Have a good one yourself OP.

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Cows extinct. Chickens extinct. Turkeys, sheep and several species of goats, seafood and pigs extinct.

Don't recall the herds of dairy cows roaming the forests and chickens flocks across the plains.

Wow....What a vivid imagination :D

I mean it doesn't take a fantasy to see that farm animals aren't wild nor would flooding eco systems, with said animals, would be beneficial to those places or the wild life already established.

If they were no longer used and needed what would you do with them? Can't reclaim the pastures as they'll be needed to fill the 100x space required to grow crops in their stead. All while ruining environments around the world as many of the locations people live in currently cannot sustain the growth of the diverse agriculture needed to replace protein.

Hence the cause of factory farms and this argument screams that you have absolutely no consideration for the poorer families that simply can't afford avocado toast for every meal.

[Angry Gandalf]

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Wow....What a vivid imagination :D

I mean it doesn't take a fantasy to see that farm animals aren't wild nor would flooding eco systems, with said animals, would be beneficial to those places or the wild life already established.

If they were no longer used and needed what would you do with them? Can't reclaim the pastures as they'll be needed to fill the 100x space required to grow crops in their stead. All while ruining environments around the world as many of the locations people live in currently cannot sustain the growth of the diverse agriculture needed to replace protein.

Hence the cause of factory farms and this argument screams that you have absolutely no consideration for the poorer families that simply can't afford avocado toast for every meal.

Look, we are not talking about people whose life depens on meat. It's still the Western world, remember the starting post?
Protein can be obtained trough all sorts of legumes. In all fairness, living without meat would be much cheaper where I live. And they call it the US of A. If it's possible around these parts, where people inhale their meat, than it's also possible on the other side of the pond.