Should cheating be illegal?

[Grim Reaper]

In my opinion, yes.

Aside from the obvious betrayal of trust and initial ♥♥♥♥ feeling, it can be horrible for the victim's confidence, mental health, and can affect the way they view the opposite sex negatively. Cheating also tends to be a repeating behavior in those who practice it, rather than a one off occurrence, meaning being charged for it and having it on a cheater's criminal record would protect people from accidentally becoming the next victim.

[tmwfte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7sBcyx5v1c

[Not Big Surprise]

引用自 Q-T_3.14.exe：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

this doesn't solve anything

What would you suggest as a solution?
I got nothing honestly ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

well, there are multiple issues that can lead to cheating

ultimately it should be left to the partners to find what causes the issue and how to proceed looking forward, but help can be given and likely appreciated from friends or professionals

[Q-T_3.14.exe]

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

引用自 Q-T_3.14.exe：

What would you suggest as a solution?
I got nothing honestly ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

well, there are multiple issues that can lead to cheating

ultimately it should be left to the partners to find what causes the issue and how to proceed looking forward, but help can be given and likely appreciated from friends or professionals

Getting to the root of the problem and try to work from there?
Sounds obvious. :/

[DoomsDay]

it taste badly when there is someone else does the work to satisfy my own partner.

for me, when others have ex partner, all I have is a criminal record.

the question really boils down to one thing, what law can do to preserve freedom and peace between people, in the web of relations.

the answer is, law isnt there to help the uninformed.

dont be starting nothing, the uninformed can stay uninformed their whole life, the world out there is only as much painful.

[Chesmu]

I think marrying should be illegal. But we can start from there.

[RRW359]

引用自 Triple G：

引用自 RRW359：

If it involved exchanging money for a relationship that would be illegal, why is illegalizing lying to someone about something you formed a legal union with that specifically says you shouldn't lie about this kind of stuff more restrictive then that? Also you can have a slight deterrent without going into full-blown ironic punishment territory by having it effect them for their entire lives.

Okay.

Let´s look at it in practice.

There would be a law about it. Which would then mean, no open relationships allowed, because there´s a law against cheating. If that is not the case then the other thing would happen:

Partner 1: "Hey - erm: my partner cheated on me and i want justice."
Partner 2: "No - we agreed that it is okay."

How will You prove it?

It means no matter how You solve it - You either reduce freedom for the people, with restricting their relationships to a certain model without a societal need to do so, or You have it that way that You could never enforce that law - if partner 2 has at least 4 brain cells. And i never said that exchanging money should be involved in a relationship either - even if that usually happens in any relationship, even if it´s just the money for a coffee to get the initial talk starting...

Well here we need to define cheating but what about being in a secret relationship without the knowledge (even if the partner doesn't consent when told I wouldn't call it cheating) of someone you are in a legally-established relationship with. That makes polyamory/open relations fine if either person shows a record (text, email, recording, etc.) of the conversation. And if you think laws like that are too restrictive then you can't also say directly paying for a relationship should be illegal since it also restricts freedom (I think a lot more then cheating laws do).

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

引用自 RRW359：

That's the thing. People generally don't think people are wrong for using a lot of legal drugs unless it causes them to do something illegal, while you can do nothing illegal in a relationship and if you do something culturally frowned upon people outside of it will say you deserve MUCH worse then a small punishment like community service. If it's just something they are going to do and it can't be changed then they shouldn't be shamed for doing it; if it is something that they chose to do and makes their partners life worse then there needs to be a deterrant.

this doesn't solve anything

Neither does just saying it's wrong but not trying to think of a solution other then ostricism.

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 RRW359：

That's the thing. People generally don't think people are wrong for using a lot of legal drugs unless it causes them to do something illegal, while you can do nothing illegal in a relationship and if you do something culturally frowned upon people outside of it will say you deserve MUCH worse then a small punishment like community service. If it's just something they are going to do and it can't be changed then they shouldn't be shamed for doing it; if it is something that they chose to do and makes their partners life worse then there needs to be a deterrant.

You like the government being deeply involved in personal lives.

That's messed up.

Then get rid of laws about buying relationships if you think that's messed up. I think those laws are a lot less defensible then laws against cheating since literally everyone except maybe the cheater themselves thinks the latter is wrong when often both the buyer and seller in the former don't and often people not involved in the transaction don't care either.

[Not Big Surprise]

引用自 RRW359：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

this doesn't solve anything

Neither does just saying it's wrong but not trying to think of a solution other then ostricism.

here's your solution:

引用自 Q-T_3.14.exe：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

well, there are multiple issues that can lead to cheating

ultimately it should be left to the partners to find what causes the issue and how to proceed looking forward, but help can be given and likely appreciated from friends or professionals

Getting to the root of the problem and try to work from there?
Sounds obvious. :/

[Triple G]

引用自 RRW359：

Well here we need to define cheating but what about being in a secret relationship without the knowledge (even if the partner doesn't consent when told I wouldn't call it cheating) of someone you are in a legally-established relationship with. That makes polyamory/open relations fine if either person shows a record (text, email, recording, etc.) of the conversation. And if you think laws like that are too restrictive then you can't also say directly paying for a relationship should be illegal since it also restricts freedom (I think a lot more then cheating laws do).

Like said: You can already have something like it in a marriage contract.
But there it was about relationships in general.

And it´s also about social responsibility. So before there are laws about cheating in a relationship - there would need to be laws about cheating in politics, or when people have any official mandate. Then there would need to be laws about business - if it´s about generating money, or advertisements. Then there would need to be laws about lessons in school - or that parents don´t tell stories about Santa Claus, if he doesn´t exist and the parents are actually carrying the presents into the living room. All of that has much more effect on society and affects way more people. And when people are raised with lies - and are surrounded by them - it perhaps leads to more cheating, because it´s part of the tradition and societal norm.

Then one can talk about relationships, because a vast minority thinks there has to be a law about it, which can´t work in practice anyway. You need valid proof for it to work, or You need very restrictive laws. That´s why i am sure that such a law will never happen anyway - we´re just talking about what if - and certain arguments for or against it. So far i haven´t read anything convincing for it.

[RRW359]

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

引用自 RRW359：

Neither does just saying it's wrong but not trying to think of a solution other then ostricism.

here's your solution:

引用自 Q-T_3.14.exe：

Getting to the root of the problem and try to work from there?
Sounds obvious. :/

If you think it's the duty of peers to correct cultural taboos then what if someone does something against their culture that the outside world would call alright? If most of the world agrees something is wrong why not codify the consequences for it?

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 RRW359：

引用自 Not Big Surprise：

here's your solution:

If you think it's the duty of peers to correct cultural taboos then what if someone does something against their culture that the outside world would call alright? If most of the world agrees something is wrong why not codify the consequences for it?

Making a law against cheating(which you are for) is literally 'peers to correct cultural taboos'.

[RRW359]

引用自 Triple G：

引用自 RRW359：

Well here we need to define cheating but what about being in a secret relationship without the knowledge (even if the partner doesn't consent when told I wouldn't call it cheating) of someone you are in a legally-established relationship with. That makes polyamory/open relations fine if either person shows a record (text, email, recording, etc.) of the conversation. And if you think laws like that are too restrictive then you can't also say directly paying for a relationship should be illegal since it also restricts freedom (I think a lot more then cheating laws do).

Like said: You can already have something like it in a marriage contract.
But there it was about relationships in general.

And it´s also about social responsibility. So before there are laws about cheating in a relationship - there would need to be laws about cheating in politics, or when people have any official mandate. Then there would need to be laws about business - if it´s about generating money, or advertisements. Then there would need to be laws about lessons in school - or that parents don´t tell stories about Santa Claus, if he doesn´t exist and the parents are actually carrying the presents into the living room. All of that has much more effect on society and affects way more people. And when people are raised with lies - and are surrounded by them - it perhaps leads to more cheating, because it´s part of the tradition and societal norm.

Then one can talk about relationships, because a vast minority thinks there has to be a law about it, which can´t work in practice anyway. You need valid proof for it to work, or You need very restrictive laws. That´s why i am sure that such a law will never happen anyway - we´re just talking about what if - and certain arguments for or against it. So far i haven´t read anything convincing for it.

There is no punishment for cheating in marriage that doesn't apply to a normal relationship. The only difference is a greater possibility of divorce which can also be done for any or no reason. And there are ways to recognize relationships without going as far as marriage if there is documentation of it.

[RRW359]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 RRW359：

If you think it's the duty of peers to correct cultural taboos then what if someone does something against their culture that the outside world would call alright? If most of the world agrees something is wrong why not codify the consequences for it?

Making a law against cheating(which you are for) is literally 'peers to correct cultural taboos'.

Your circle of friends can give any punishment from not caring to complete ostricism, rather then having one that the law says. And again thinking something is wrong when it's legal can be a dangerous slope, just look at people who ostrisize LGBTQA individuals because they think that they are wrong even if they aren't breaking laws.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 RRW359：

引用自 SlowMango：

Making a law against cheating(which you are for) is literally 'peers to correct cultural taboos'.

Your circle of friends can give any punishment from not caring to complete ostricism, rather then having one that the law says. And again thinking something is wrong when it's legal can be a dangerous slope, just look at people who ostrisize LGBTQA individuals because they think that they are wrong even if they aren't breaking laws.

Legality isn't the same as morality.

[Triple G]

引用自 RRW359：

There is no punishment for cheating in marriage that doesn't apply to a normal relationship. The only difference is a greater possibility of divorce which can also be done for any or no reason. And there are ways to recognize relationships without going as far as marriage if there is documentation of it.

You can´t have a marriage contract in which it says some thing like: "If my partner ever cheats on me, i will not have to pay him anything and it´s a reason for immediate divorce."? That´s easily possible.

If not: You should make these marriage contract laws priorities instead of making laws for everyone in any relationship. And also: never marry without such a contract, because You don´t know what happens 20 years in future, no matter how You both feel at the time of the marriage.

[Lunar Fang]

Well there would be a lot of women in prison. I actually didn't know this, but I read an article that 2 out of 3 women who are nurses, cheat on their SO, and some of them while they're at work.

The more you know.