Why is japanese lolicon (pedophilia) and gore being tolerated on steam?

[TeslaGrill]

I mean just look at all this:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/758090/screenshots/?p=1&browsefilter=trendsixmonths

https://steamcommunity.com/app/831660/screenshots/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2165210/Nightmare/

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2824404210

https://store.steampowered.com/app/851890/GalGun_2/

[Vendicator Senpai]

Gonna be honest. I see the whole cunny debate the same as the whole dnd is the work of evil debate and the whole violent video game bad debate. People get mad over works of fiction because they're too scared that somehow it will badly influence people or something like that. Honestly after past instances of that same sort of debate every decade I am baffled to how it keeps on going.

[Your_White_Knight]

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Gonna be honest. I see the whole cunny debate the same as the whole dnd is the work of evil debate and the whole violent video game bad debate. People get mad over works of fiction because they're too scared that somehow it will badly influence people or something like that. Honestly after past instances of that same sort of debate every decade I am baffled to how it keeps on going.

I don't even think it's about "it will badly influence people" it's just finding a extreme in something they don't like to justify a blanket "it's all bad" because they don't like Japanese things...

Anyone can point out any country's fringe games on Steam... from "Adult content" to "Gore" that lots of other games on Steam that has been here as long or even longer then OP's "examples"

It's just that it's from Japan... and they think somehow it's a "GotYa" but it's only a small portion of a much larger genre... it's just something they can use to weaponize their bias.

[Dom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

Handley is considered the landmark case in the war against lolicon.
He went to prison. Yes, that literally means that it is I L L E G A L.
The loudest and clearest conclusion comes from the court(s).

Thankfully for him, he avoided the initial 15 years & $250,000 fine. Still, 6 months in prison + 3 years of supervised release and 5 years of probation. Far more than nothing. This cannot be blatantly ignored when discussing the overall legality.

I'd rather trust professional lawyer sites, real-life cases and sentences than random people on the internet saying that "it's alright, it's all legal because F I C T I O N A L"

Inb4 "how this case is fake and never happened" or something like that.
This is just one of many cases, by the way.

[【𝙎𝙥𝙚𝙠】🧉]

That's a pretty expensive "profile limited" game. Why the hell this is in steam but skullgirls must censor content and reviews?

[Vendicator Senpai]

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Gonna be honest. I see the whole cunny debate the same as the whole dnd is the work of evil debate and the whole violent video game bad debate. People get mad over works of fiction because they're too scared that somehow it will badly influence people or something like that. Honestly after past instances of that same sort of debate every decade I am baffled to how it keeps on going.

I don't even think it's about "it will badly influence people" it's just finding a extreme in something they don't like to justify a blanket "it's all bad" because they don't like Japanese things...

Anyone can point out any country's fringe games on Steam... from "Adult content" to "Gore" that lots of other games on Steam that has been here as long or even longer then OP's "examples"

It's just that it's from Japan... and they think somehow it's a "GotYa" but it's only a small portion of a much larger genre... it's just something they can use to weaponize their bias.

That too. Quite unfortunate people try to convince themselves that the whole Japanese media is just cunny eroge when it is much much more than that.

[Dom]

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I'd rather take lawyer sites more seriously than 4chan.

"Everything I don't like is 4chan"

Maybe stick to "I support current hot button political issue" instead of flapping your gums on matters you don't know anything about.

Ehh, it's not really a matter of liking or not liking. Because law is not cherrypicking based on your taste - you cannot choose which laws are followed and which are not.

I think there are enough real-life cases, sentences and lawyers pointing out the issues with the content in reflection to laws in place, to come to a conclusion.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

Handley is considered the landmark case in the war against lolicon.
He went to prison. Yes, that literally means that it is I L L E G A L.
The loudest and clearest conclusion comes from the court(s).

Thankfully for him, he avoided the initial 15 years & $250,000 fine. Still, 6 months in prison + 3 years of supervised release and 5 years of probation. Far more than nothing. This cannot be blatantly ignored when discussing the overall legality.

I'd rather trust professional lawyer sites, real-life cases and sentences than random people on the internet saying that "it's alright, it's all legal because F I C T I O N A L"

Inb4 "how this case is fake and never happened" or something like that.
This is just one of many cases, by the way.

Look I get being uneducated, illiterate, and so triggered by drawings that you have to twist facts to support some cringe agenda comes natural to you, but let me teach you a few things:

1 - First it is not illegal (I can write it in brail since you seem to be blind) the law directly states that it must be INDISTINGUISHABLE from a real child to be considered illegal, (fun fact anime is not realistic).

2 - The crux of the case WAS NOT about child porn but rather OBSCENITY (which are braindead vague laws that are unconstitutional itself) the reason handly chose to take a plea deal is because he can't possibly be given a fair trial due to the ridiculous bias against lolicon that would likely take place in the jury (which is ridiculous in the first place for a jury to be able to convict someone if they don't like the art due to obscenity laws). If this actually went to court with a non-biased jury it would win every time due to it falling under the first amendment.

3 - Based on the 2 facts above the best you could even hope to claim is that it is a GRAY AREA rather than illegal (and even that is pushing it due to federal agencies literally saying to not report it as even they realize it is a waste of time). Stop twisting facts because you don't understand what you are talking about.

4 - Don't speak on a subject you clearly know nothing about as all it does it show that not do you not know what you are talking about, but just ends up with you embarrassing yourself by showing you made no effort and only skimmed to find something for you to twist for your agenda. Then again you were literally straw-manning and arguing semantics earlier so I really expect nothing if I'm going to be honest.

[Your_White_Knight]

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That's a pretty expensive "profile limited" game. Why the hell this is in steam but skullgirls must censor content and reviews?

SkullGirls was sold to developers that wanted to only censor the game... that was their only and soul purpose, to buy the game and censor the things they didn't like about it...

Pretty much how 99% of "entertainment" from comic book companies, to movie companies, to t.v. companies and yes video companies are run now... people who want to censor and change couldn't do it from the outside after years... so they now work from the inside and change it from inside.

The "reviews" are getting censored because the fans... the real fans... of the game are protesting the changes and censorship... and Steam is siding with the censoring developers and trying to hide the negative reviews of "I don't want my game censored after the fact because of the new developers wanting to change things".

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I don't even think it's about "it will badly influence people" it's just finding a extreme in something they don't like to justify a blanket "it's all bad" because they don't like Japanese things...

Anyone can point out any country's fringe games on Steam... from "Adult content" to "Gore" that lots of other games on Steam that has been here as long or even longer then OP's "examples"

It's just that it's from Japan... and they think somehow it's a "GotYa" but it's only a small portion of a much larger genre... it's just something they can use to weaponize their bias.

That too. Quite unfortunate people try to convince themselves that the whole Japanese media is just cunny eroge when it is much much more than that.

Exactly... not to mention... they think somehow it's "a guy thing" when a vast ( and I mean more then 50% ) of the Manga / Anime that's created... is created by women writers and artists.

Also... 35% of males like anime compared to 27% of females, according to a US survey...

This thread is just "stop liking 99% what I don't like because of this small 1% of the genre"

[Dom]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Dom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

Handley is considered the landmark case in the war against lolicon.
He went to prison. Yes, that literally means that it is I L L E G A L.
The loudest and clearest conclusion comes from the court(s).

Thankfully for him, he avoided the initial 15 years & $250,000 fine. Still, 6 months in prison + 3 years of supervised release and 5 years of probation. Far more than nothing. This cannot be blatantly ignored when discussing the overall legality.

I'd rather trust professional lawyer sites, real-life cases and sentences than random people on the internet saying that "it's alright, it's all legal because F I C T I O N A L"

Inb4 "how this case is fake and never happened" or something like that.
This is just one of many cases, by the way.

Look I get being uneducated, illiterate, and so triggered by drawings that you have to twist facts to support some cringe agenda comes natural to you, but let me teach you a few things:

1 - First it is not illegal (I can write it in brail since you seem to be blind) the law directly states that it must be INDISTINGUISHABLE from a real child to be considered illegal, (fun fact anime is not realistic).

2 - The crux of the case WAS NOT about child porn but rather OBSCENITY (which are braindead vague laws that are unconstitutional itself) the reason handly chose to take a plea deal is because he can't possibly be given a fair trial due to the ridiculous bias against lolicon that would likely take place in the jury (which is ridiculous in the first place for a jury to be able to convict someone if they don't like the art due to obscenity laws). If this actually went to court with a non-biased jury it would win every time due to it falling under the first amendment.

3 - Based on the 2 facts above the best you could even hope to claim is that it is a GRAY AREA rather than illegal (and even that is pushing it due to federal agencies literally saying to not report it as even they realize it is a waste of time). Stop twisting facts because you don't understand what you are talking about.

4 - Don't speak on a subject you clearly know nothing about as all it does it show that not do you not know what you are talking about, but just ends up with you embarrassing yourself by showing you made no effort and only skimmed to find something for you to twist for your agenda. Then again you were literally straw-manning and arguing semantics earlier so I really expect nothing if I'm going to be honest.

I expect nothing more than an essay explanation that completely ignores the fact that someone went to prison for lolicon in the US. I'm sorry but that fact does not change no matter how much you try to cope. And of course you would say it's the bias of the jury and fault in the system - for actually reading, and interpreting the laws as they are written.

I don't think I'm "embarrassing" myself for showing real-life cases and sentences. If anything, I'm actually trying to add concrete value to the conversation.

As for the content, there's Miller test and few other tools that are actively used for analyzing the obscenity in media. Lolicon is a wide umbrella which partially includes material that is obscene. I'm not saying that all types of lolicon would fall under that, there's likely plenty that is legal - but this is merely pointing out that the "fictional characters" argument is actually invalid. Since people can and have been sentenced over fictional characters.

[𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez 𝔼ℂℂℍ𝕀 ℤ𝕆ℕ𝔼:

Look I get being uneducated, illiterate, and so triggered by drawings that you have to twist facts to support some cringe agenda comes natural to you, but let me teach you a few things:

1 - First it is not illegal (I can write it in brail since you seem to be blind) the law directly states that it must be INDISTINGUISHABLE from a real child to be considered illegal, (fun fact anime is not realistic).

2 - The crux of the case WAS NOT about child porn but rather OBSCENITY (which are braindead vague laws that are unconstitutional itself) the reason handly chose to take a plea deal is because he can't possibly be given a fair trial due to the ridiculous bias against lolicon that would likely take place in the jury (which is ridiculous in the first place for a jury to be able to convict someone if they don't like the art due to obscenity laws). If this actually went to court with a non-biased jury it would win every time due to it falling under the first amendment.

3 - Based on the 2 facts above the best you could even hope to claim is that it is a GRAY AREA rather than illegal (and even that is pushing it due to federal agencies literally saying to not report it as even they realize it is a waste of time). Stop twisting facts because you don't understand what you are talking about.

4 - Don't speak on a subject you clearly know nothing about as all it does it show that not do you not know what you are talking about, but just ends up with you embarrassing yourself by showing you made no effort and only skimmed to find something for you to twist for your agenda. Then again you were literally straw-manning and arguing semantics earlier so I really expect nothing if I'm going to be honest.

I expect nothing more than an essay explanation that completely ignores the fact that someone went to prison for lolicon in the US. I'm sorry but that fact does not change no matter how much you try to cope. And of course you would say it's the bias of the jury and fault in the system - for actually reading, and interpreting the laws as they are written.

I don't think I'm "embarrassing" myself for showing real-life cases and sentences. If anything, I'm actually trying to add concrete value to the conversation.

As for the content, there's Miller test and few other tools that are actively used for analyzing the obscenity in media. Lolicon is a wide umbrella which partially includes material that is obscene. I'm not saying that all types of lolicon would fall under that, there's likely plenty that is legal - but this is merely pointing out that the "fictional characters" argument is actually invalid. Since people can and have been sentenced over fictional characters.

I refuse to believe you are not trolling at this point, whenever I prove you wrong all you do is just say cope and then you strawman and it is unbelievably dumb. If you can't actually prove me wrong just admit it and stop spouting lies to pretend you have an argument.

I am going to explain how obscenity laws work for everyone here and I want you to read nice and slow (maybe you will learn something for once). Obscenity laws are vague laws that can determine whenever something is "obscene". So what is the line then you ask? Whatever suits the situation and by that I mean anything from 2 real life people having vanilla sex to bdsm, to lolicon. Whatever a jury doesn't like can be considered obscene from their bias. It should be easy to see where the obvious problem lies.

If you don't see it I will explain it, it is VAGUE and INTENTIONALLY vague and that makes it ripe for ABUSE in court. When it comes to handly it was never about cp, animated cp or whatever, it was about the VAGUE OBSCENITY LAWS. Also the only reason he was brought to court in the first place was that he had "OBSCENE" material imported. Which is also a weird garbage ruling these unconstitutional rules have.

It should be obvious now to see where the outright lies and false conclusions this dude is trying to spout are being twisted from. I have already explained that it is literally not cp under law and the best someone can do is say it is a gray area due to obscenity laws (but those also apply to any porn and even more than that depending on the jury). Also agencies and more have literally said to not report it making it practically legal regardless of obscenity laws (unless you importing stuff and get caught which would be the only time you would ever even bother with court for this). It is basically in a legal state like pirating (sort of a bad example because pirating is actually illegal but since no one cares about it it makes a decent comparison for that at least) but even safer due agencies literally saying to not report it.

At the end of the day a person can watch and download all the loli/shota hentai they want and no agency is going to care in the US. No one is going to knock down your door and come and take your pc because of lolis and no one cares (except clowns who like to project over drawings). This is the reality of the situation and the legal standpoint for lolicon and shotacon in the US, nothing more and nothing less.

[Dom]

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I expect nothing more than an essay explanation that completely ignores the fact that someone went to prison for lolicon in the US. I'm sorry but that fact does not change no matter how much you try to cope. And of course you would say it's the bias of the jury and fault in the system - for actually reading, and interpreting the laws as they are written.

I don't think I'm "embarrassing" myself for showing real-life cases and sentences. If anything, I'm actually trying to add concrete value to the conversation.

As for the content, there's Miller test and few other tools that are actively used for analyzing the obscenity in media. Lolicon is a wide umbrella which partially includes material that is obscene. I'm not saying that all types of lolicon would fall under that, there's likely plenty that is legal - but this is merely pointing out that the "fictional characters" argument is actually invalid. Since people can and have been sentenced over fictional characters.

I refuse to believe you are not trolling at this point, whenever I prove you wrong all you do is just say cope and then you strawman and it is unbelievably dumb. If you can't actually prove me wrong just admit it and stop spouting lies to pretend you have an argument.

I am going to explain how obscenity laws work for everyone here and I want you to read nice and slow (maybe you will learn something for once). Obscenity laws are vague laws that can determine whenever something is "obscene". So what is the line then you ask? Whatever suits the situation and by that I mean anything from 2 real life people having vanilla sex to bdsm, to lolicon. Whatever a jury doesn't like can be considered obscene from their bias. It should be easy to see where the obvious problem lies.

If you don't see it I will explain it, it is VAGUE and INTENTIONALLY vague and that makes it ripe for ABUSE in court. When it comes to handly it was never about cp, animated cp or whatever, it was about the VAGUE OBSCENITY LAWS. Also the only reason he was brought to court in the first place was that he had "OBSCENE" material imported. Which is also a weird garbage ruling these unconstitutional rules have.

It should be obvious now to see where the outright lies and false conclusions this dude is trying to spout are being twisted from. I have already explained that it is literally not cp under law and the best someone can do is say it is a gray area due to obscenity laws (but those also apply to any porn and even more than that depending on the jury). Also agencies and more have literally said to not report it making it practically legal regardless of obscenity laws (unless you importing stuff and get caught which would be the only time you would ever even bother with court for this). It is basically in a legal state like pirating (sort of a bad example because pirating is actually illegal but since no one cares about it it makes a decent comparison for that at least) but even safer due agencies literally saying to not report it.

At the end of the day a person can watch and download all the loli/shota hentai they want and no agency is going to care in the US. No one is going to knock down your door and come and take your pc because of lolis and no one cares (except clowns who like to project over drawings). This is the reality of the situation and the legal standpoint for lolicon and shotacon in the US, nothing more and nothing less.

Sigh. Obscenity laws are out there and very clear. But for context, I'm going to explain this as precisely as I can...

If Miller test finds obscenity, it essentially removes the constitutional right (first amendment) from the case. Many people refer to first amendment when they defend this type of media.

Anyone who has taken a look into the constitution is quite aware that obscenity is an exception to free speech/1st amendment. It is listed in it. And after that barrier (first amendment) is taken out from the case, the government has the right and power to prosecute for that media; based on the law(s) outside the first amendment and over media that would otherwise (if obscenity tests failed) be protected under the first amendment.

That is how the sentence occurred in the first place (Handley's case) and was not power overreach.

Obscenity exception would, in theory, allow US to ban all explicit adult content without violating anyone's first amendment rights if they wanted to do that. They don't though, for obvious reasons.

There are laws that prohibit lolicon of which Protect Act is just one instance - however, the only barrier between that piece of law and the individual is that first amendment (since constitution is above those laws, naturally). So, since obscenity is an exception, the prosecution can only occur if obscenity is recognized, based on Miller's test.

I don't know, this is pretty simple to explain and not complicated. It seems as though you're running circles and trying to make it more messy than how it is.

[TeslaGrill]

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This thread wouldn’t be here if this content didn’t exist, so blame the ones responsible for making this stuff.

You’ve officially reached the bottom of the barrel lmao.

Even you fav game tekken has playable characters that are under the age of 18 which can be dressed in a bikini and Valve denies to flag tekken 7 as a adult only game.

[TeslaGrill]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Vendicator Senpai:

Gonna be honest. I see the whole cunny debate the same as the whole dnd is the work of evil debate and the whole violent video game bad debate. People get mad over works of fiction because they're too scared that somehow it will badly influence people or something like that. Honestly after past instances of that same sort of debate every decade I am baffled to how it keeps on going.

I don't even think it's about "it will badly influence people" it's just finding a extreme in something they don't like to justify a blanket "it's all bad" because they don't like Japanese things...

Anyone can point out any country's fringe games on Steam... from "Adult content" to "Gore" that lots of other games on Steam that has been here as long or even longer then OP's "examples"

It's just that it's from Japan... and they think somehow it's a "GotYa" but it's only a small portion of a much larger genre... it's just something they can use to weaponize their bias.

But that’s not just only adult content and gore, it’s straight up pedophila. Check the links. And only japanese publishers and devs are offering this kind of stuff.

[Polverrati]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

Handley is considered the landmark case in the war against lolicon.
He went to prison. Yes, that literally means that it is I L L E G A L.
The loudest and clearest conclusion comes from the court(s).

Thankfully for him, he avoided the initial 15 years & $250,000 fine. Still, 6 months in prison + 3 years of supervised release and 5 years of probation. Far more than nothing. This cannot be blatantly ignored when discussing the overall legality.

I'd rather trust professional lawyer sites, real-life cases and sentences than random people on the internet saying that "it's alright, it's all legal because F I C T I O N A L"

Inb4 "how this case is fake and never happened" or something like that.
This is just one of many cases, by the way.

Handley was charged because he technically transported obscene material. He was charged on a technicality because he purchased a physical manga and transported it across state lines.

This was also in 2008, and it's happened to nobody else since. It took me 5 minutes to find this information, so I have no idea how you thought it proved anything at all.

[Dom]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Dom:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Handley

Handley is considered the landmark case in the war against lolicon.
He went to prison. Yes, that literally means that it is I L L E G A L.
The loudest and clearest conclusion comes from the court(s).

Thankfully for him, he avoided the initial 15 years & $250,000 fine. Still, 6 months in prison + 3 years of supervised release and 5 years of probation. Far more than nothing. This cannot be blatantly ignored when discussing the overall legality.

I'd rather trust professional lawyer sites, real-life cases and sentences than random people on the internet saying that "it's alright, it's all legal because F I C T I O N A L"

Inb4 "how this case is fake and never happened" or something like that.
This is just one of many cases, by the way.

Handley was charged because he technically transported obscene material. He was charged on a technicality because he purchased a physical manga and transported it across state lines.

This was also in 2008, and it's happened to nobody else since. It took me 5 minutes to find this information, so I have no idea how you thought it proved anything at all.

Except that he was actually pleaded guilty for both importing as well as possessing.

It's true that importing is what led to the search warrant and very likely he would've never gotten caught otherwise. But it doesn't change the fact that both of those things were punishable offenses in this scenario.