I dislike how " military " is hyped. Especially in U.S society. (Rant thread).

[Zeno]

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

It usually is elevated as being " heroic ", " patriotic " or " protectors of our freedom " while 9 out of 10 times, the military is only used to establish government interests but not actual interests of the people.

Furthermore, getting a military job in the military, is one of the easiest things on the planet. There is next to no expectations of someone who applies to start off as a normal grunt in lets say the infantry, other than basic physical fitness... Hell even this is mostly dropped nowadays as they can't find enough recruits so they take in obese people and people with other handicaps who would not be up for physical challenge of combat.

My point is, the military is a " total institution " that serves as a tool for the government. Its not some sort of collecting tank for complete winners and little Einstein's, yet the media and some people (especially Americans) celebrate soldiers as if they are protecting every single citizen's butt by shooting up villages in remote Afghanistan or Iraq.

What a joke.

I respect the discipline people have to maintain in military combat roles, but I am having a hard time to actually respect the people who work there for years and act all proud of it and have a go at some other losers who commit " stolen valor ".
There are managers, factory workers, doctors, firefighters, construction workers who actually contribute something to economy and society and no one celebrates them remotely as much.

Especially construction workers and workers of all kind as well as firefighters are pretty much neglected nowadays, especially in TV series. Most stuff on TV is about cops, docs or soldiers. There is only a limited amount of movies or series about firefighters and absolutely non about workers.

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

Anyone who values his life, his time and enjoys developing his own intellectual capabilities, would avoid joining the military, this should especially be clear to anyone after watching all the military TikTok style videos online, where I question myself...THIS is what they allow into a uniform nowadays ? They must be seriously lacking.



All this came to my mind especially after I have served in the military myself (mandatory military service).

Its just overall...silly.


And I am having a hard time to take anyone seriously who says " But they keep us safe from the Russians, Chinese or terrorists ". Well, they don't... in fact in a real war scenario, regular army is next to irrelevant but all the massive numbers of draftees, which would be pretty much every male person in a country, would make the actual difference. But one does not need to serve his entire life during peace time to then defend his country in such a scenario. Most people fighting in Ukraine are draftees, not regulars.

Now talking about men being drafted...where are all the feminists and females serving in the Ukraine army defending their nation ??? I thought they want to be equal to men and have the same rights and respect, yet all soldiers are male, except for a very very few tremendously rare exceptions, where women serve as TikTok representatives to make western people like them.


Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond. I just wanted to get this out there.

[Zeno]

Eld3r の投稿を引用：

träsprit の投稿を引用：

"i dont know if it has changed since i served in the US Navy but we had a guy in my company in boot camp that was a citizen of Ireland, not US "

- Ok? What answer do you want? This is not a question.



"what do you consider a "very good wage"?"

- If we look at US government jobs even in secret service agencies, looking for things such as system administrators, they pay around 5000 to 7000 bucks a month but asking for a bachelor degree and 10 years of work experience.

THIS is not a lot of money.

A good wage for such role would be 14 000 bucks a month after tax as this would be the equivalent to what the civvy market would pay.

Now this refers to the US. I am not from the US but I worked there before.


A soldier who risks his life and gets spit and shouted at on a daily basis, should get around 10 000 bucks a month just for that already.


Is that answer enough ?

the point about my first post is you can serve in the US military if you so desire unless you are deemed unfit or ineligible for some reason

system administrators that i know who work in federal jobs, both as contractors and federal employees, can earn $14k per month and dont even need a university degree

Feel free to share such job vacancies. I could not find any such vacancies for such kind of salary at all.

Otherwise its just hot air.

Ulfrinn の投稿を引用：

You live a quarter ways around the planet and have probably never stepped foot in the US. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about because you seen some crap online.

I lived in the US for 5 years in the past and also one does not need to live in the US to see how delusional they are about their military. Your aggressive response to my thread just fortifies my claim.

Furthermore, I was hoping people comprehend by now that this thread is not only about the US but generally speaking, I thought people had some basic reading capabilities on here, but it does not seem like it.

[Triple G]

träsprit の投稿を引用：

Furthermore, I was hoping people comprehend by now that this thread is not only about the US but generally speaking, I thought people had some basic reading capabilities on here, but it does not seem like it.

My reading capabilities say that You said You we in the military for Yourself, while claiming it was mandatory service, while You later said You served for 4 years, while the longest mandatory service we ever had was 18 months.

So why did You serve for 4 years, when it´s "overall just silly"?

Also we live in country, in which people in the parliament don´t show much emotion, but as soon as 100 billions are granted for the military there are standing ovations. (While everybody knows that this money will somewhere end in bureaucracy or consultants, as other countries have a better equipped military with the same, or less, money)

So i´m a bit confused by the thread - and like said some comments of Yours. Even more so, when i´m apparently, some "left-green" guy, who can´t understand the whole patriotism and nationalism thing anyway - but that doesn´t mean that others can´t be that way, even if i think it´s questionable.

[Zeno]

Eld3r の投稿を引用：

träsprit の投稿を引用：

Feel free to share such job vacancies. I could not find any such vacancies for such kind of salary at all.

Otherwise its just hot air.

https://www.indeed.com/q-Usajobs-System-Administrator-jobs.html

your search results may vary because that search is using geolocation

Thats not a lot of money considering what you have to bring with you into this job plus you just took the highest offering they have, realistitcally people do not end up with 142 000+ a year but what it also says, 109 000 a year at most.

Either way, the majority of jobs do not pay over 7000 to 8000 and certainly not 14 000+, even the best you could find under the absolutely best circumstances are only 11 000 bucks for a restrictive position with high requirements in a rank system environment.

Triple G の投稿を引用：

träsprit の投稿を引用：

Furthermore, I was hoping people comprehend by now that this thread is not only about the US but generally speaking, I thought people had some basic reading capabilities on here, but it does not seem like it.

My reading capabilities say that You said You we in the military for Yourself, while claiming it was mandatory service, while You later said You served for 4 years, while the longest mandatory service we ever had was 18 months.

So why did You serve for 4 years, when it´s "overall just silly"?

Also we live in country, in which people in the parliament don´t show much emotion, but as soon as 100 billions are granted for the military there are standing ovations. (While everybody knows that this money will somewhere end in bureaucracy or consultants, as other countries have a better equipped military with the same, or less, money)

So i´m a bit confused by the thread - and like said some comments of Yours. Even more so, when i´m apparently, some "left-green" guy, who can´t understand the whole patriotism and nationalism thing anyway - but that doesn´t mean that others can´t be that way, even if i think it´s questionable.

Seems like you are badly informed as you have never served yourself. Hence you try to lure me into disbelief.

I was drafted and immediately decided to sign a 4 years contract right after basic training. One does not exclude the other, genius.

You are right about the funding, however, if you look on social media and the military online presence as well as recent ads, you see that there is not only an increase in military ads but also many false information. They portray the military as some girls scout camp where people can have fun and have every freedom they need. This is however not correct at all.

Do you have any more unqualified comments or are you actually here to have a proper think about what I have stated ?

[Triple G]

träsprit の投稿を引用：

Do you have any more unqualified comments or are you actually here to have a proper think about what I have stated ?

Depends if You want to have an answer why the forums here might appear "negative" towards You or not. But i guess You figured that out by Yourself already. Between the lines i read that You signed for 4 years just for the sake of it - that´s all i wanted to know, "genius".

Have a good day...

[Zeno]

Triple G の投稿を引用：

träsprit の投稿を引用：

Do you have any more unqualified comments or are you actually here to have a proper think about what I have stated ?

Depends if You want to have an answer why the forums here might appear "negative" towards You or not. But i guess You figured that out by Yourself already. Between the lines i read that You signed for 4 years just for the sake of it - that´s all i wanted to know, "genius".

Have a good day...

I literally said that in my topic. All you would have needed is to look up the contract times and figured it out. Instead you decided to call my claim questionable and me a liar.

[Majestic Turkey]

It will be worse when you realize your history is a lie.
https://mises.org/library/review-origins-second-world-war
https://www.unz.com/runz/why-everything-you-know-about-world-war-ii-is-wrong/

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Majestic Turkey の投稿を引用：

It will be worse when you realize your history is a lie.
https://mises.org/library/review-origins-second-world-war
https://www.unz.com/runz/why-everything-you-know-about-world-war-ii-is-wrong/

You know I read part of that where it says Hitler had no actual plans to bomb British Cities and closed the tabs, Idk who your fooling there but both Germany in World War 1 bombed British Cities with Zeppelins and again with bomber wings in World War 2.

Hell the fact that either page even gives the entire memo "Hitler was innocent" made me rather sick, that dude was far from innocent, and far from a saint.

Hell the fact the second page humors the idea that "911 was an inside job" made me close it before reading any it

[Zeno]

Purple Heart - Neptune Shizune! の投稿を引用：

Majestic Turkey の投稿を引用：

It will be worse when you realize your history is a lie.
https://mises.org/library/review-origins-second-world-war
https://www.unz.com/runz/why-everything-you-know-about-world-war-ii-is-wrong/

You know I read part of that where it says Hitler had no actual plans to bomb British Cities and closed the tabs, Idk who your fooling there but both Germany in World War 1 bombed British Cities with Zeppelins and again with bomber wings in World War 2.

Hell the fact that either page even gives the entire memo "Hitler was innocent" made me rather sick, that dude was far from innocent, and far from a saint.

Hell the fact the second page humors the idea that "911 was an inside job" made me close it before reading any it

WW1 was caused and iniciated by the Brits due to them trying to starve out entire Germany. I think they deserved every inch of those Zeppelins. lol.

WW2, might be a little different in my eyes. Germany started but Britain continued to target civilians in large numbers and tossed fire bombs on almost every large German city, even some British citizens stayed and were bombed by their own people and described the horrors and how little they damaged military targets but how majorly they damaged innocent civilians.

The Royal Air Force is a bunch of war criminals as bad as the worst of the worst nazis in Germany and the Brits still celebrate these murderers today... Makes you think.

After looking at your profile, I figured that having any type of discussion with you, would be a waste of time. lol.

[Weimu]

Ulfrinn の投稿を引用：

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about because you seen some crap online.

so so ironic coming from you

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

träsprit の投稿を引用：

Purple Heart - Neptune Shizune! の投稿を引用：

You know I read part of that where it says Hitler had no actual plans to bomb British Cities and closed the tabs, Idk who your fooling there but both Germany in World War 1 bombed British Cities with Zeppelins and again with bomber wings in World War 2.

Hell the fact that either page even gives the entire memo "Hitler was innocent" made me rather sick, that dude was far from innocent, and far from a saint.

Hell the fact the second page humors the idea that "911 was an inside job" made me close it before reading any it

WW1 was caused and iniciated by the Brits due to them trying to starve out entire Germany. I think they deserved every inch of those Zeppelins. lol.

WW2, might be a little different in my eyes. Germany started but Britain continued to target civilians in large numbers and tossed fire bombs on almost every large German city, even some British citizens stayed and were bombed by their own people and described the horrors and how little they damaged military targets but how majorly they damaged innocent civilians.

The Royal Air Force is a bunch of war criminals as bad as the worst of the worst nazis in Germany and the Brits still celebrate these murderers today... Makes you think.

Oh I never said either were saints, I'm saying the two links the guy provided were literally the call signs of conspiracy theories of the highest degree, heck look at that second link includes the person outright saying "The 9/11 attacks were sus as was the Iraq war, so all US things must be sus." in a nutshell.

Its more of the fact how clearly those links are not about any facts and just more about pointing out plotholes for the sake of making fictional books.

Edit: Oh look a default "i looked at your profile and it judges who you are" user, have not seen one of them before today- oh wait I've seen 7 so far, this makes 8 and somehow its not even annoying that you looked at my profile, its amusing you think the 4chan "Anime bad" response effects me anymore lol

[Zeno]

Purple Heart - Neptune Shizune! の投稿を引用：

träsprit の投稿を引用：

WW1 was caused and iniciated by the Brits due to them trying to starve out entire Germany. I think they deserved every inch of those Zeppelins. lol.

WW2, might be a little different in my eyes. Germany started but Britain continued to target civilians in large numbers and tossed fire bombs on almost every large German city, even some British citizens stayed and were bombed by their own people and described the horrors and how little they damaged military targets but how majorly they damaged innocent civilians.

The Royal Air Force is a bunch of war criminals as bad as the worst of the worst nazis in Germany and the Brits still celebrate these murderers today... Makes you think.

Oh I never said either were saints, I'm saying the two links the guy provided were literally the call signs of conspiracy theories of the highest degree, heck look at that second link includes the person outright saying "The 9/11 attacks were sus as was the Iraq war, so all US things must be sus." in a nutshell.

Its more of the fact how clearly those links are not about any facts and just more about pointing out plotholes for the sake of making fictional books.

Edit: Oh look a default "i looked at your profile and it judges who you are" user, have not seen one of them before today- oh wait I've seen 7 so far, this makes 8 and somehow its not even annoying that you looked at my profile, its amusing you think the 4chan "Anime bad" response effects me anymore lol

The two links are complete nonsense I agree.

I was joking, I love your profile ! Happy gay pride month my man.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

PrideCorporal の投稿を引用：

Purple Heart - Neptune Shizune! の投稿を引用：

Oh I never said either were saints, I'm saying the two links the guy provided were literally the call signs of conspiracy theories of the highest degree, heck look at that second link includes the person outright saying "The 9/11 attacks were sus as was the Iraq war, so all US things must be sus." in a nutshell.

Its more of the fact how clearly those links are not about any facts and just more about pointing out plotholes for the sake of making fictional books.

Edit: Oh look a default "i looked at your profile and it judges who you are" user, have not seen one of them before today- oh wait I've seen 7 so far, this makes 8 and somehow its not even annoying that you looked at my profile, its amusing you think the 4chan "Anime bad" response effects me anymore lol

The two links are complete nonsense I agree.

I was joking, I love your profile ! Happy gay pride month my man.

Happy pride month to you as well mate, for what its worth don't sweat it, the profile thing didn't bother me at all so your fine

[Majestic Turkey]

Purple Heart - Neptune Shizune! の投稿を引用：

Majestic Turkey の投稿を引用：

It will be worse when you realize your history is a lie.
https://mises.org/library/review-origins-second-world-war
https://www.unz.com/runz/why-everything-you-know-about-world-war-ii-is-wrong/

You know I read part of that where it says Hitler had no actual plans to bomb British Cities and closed the tabs, Idk who your fooling there but both Germany in World War 1 bombed British Cities with Zeppelins and again with bomber wings in World War 2.

Hell the fact that either page even gives the entire memo "Hitler was innocent" made me rather sick, that dude was far from innocent, and far from a saint.

Hell the fact the second page humors the idea that "911 was an inside job" made me close it before reading any it

Ah yes after 3 decades of gulf wars over "weapons of mass destruction" and endless Wuhan lab lies we have to believe all history was true before.

Why won't they declassify the JFK files.
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1670773530990981120

60 years later it is too dangerous, how big the lie.

Don't think about it, boomer mythology is a cursed religion.

And now we know they are doing the same to Trump, he kept us out of a war with Iran, those are the tapes they are trying to "smear" him with now, just laughable.

[Zeno]

Purple Heart - Neptune Shizune! の投稿を引用：

PrideCorporal の投稿を引用：

The two links are complete nonsense I agree.

I was joking, I love your profile ! Happy gay pride month my man.

Happy pride month to you as well mate, for what its worth don't sweat it, the profile thing didn't bother me at all so your fine

No worries. I knew you are a good human.

[Chesmu]

PrideCorporal の投稿を引用：

The two links are complete nonsense I agree.

I was joking, I love your profile ! Happy gay pride month my man.

Wow, can we focus on the topic? let's not turn every thread into that.