I dislike how " military " is hyped. Especially in U.S society. (Rant thread).

[Zeno]

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

It usually is elevated as being " heroic ", " patriotic " or " protectors of our freedom " while 9 out of 10 times, the military is only used to establish government interests but not actual interests of the people.

Furthermore, getting a military job in the military, is one of the easiest things on the planet. There is next to no expectations of someone who applies to start off as a normal grunt in lets say the infantry, other than basic physical fitness... Hell even this is mostly dropped nowadays as they can't find enough recruits so they take in obese people and people with other handicaps who would not be up for physical challenge of combat.

My point is, the military is a " total institution " that serves as a tool for the government. Its not some sort of collecting tank for complete winners and little Einstein's, yet the media and some people (especially Americans) celebrate soldiers as if they are protecting every single citizen's butt by shooting up villages in remote Afghanistan or Iraq.

What a joke.

I respect the discipline people have to maintain in military combat roles, but I am having a hard time to actually respect the people who work there for years and act all proud of it and have a go at some other losers who commit " stolen valor ".
There are managers, factory workers, doctors, firefighters, construction workers who actually contribute something to economy and society and no one celebrates them remotely as much.

Especially construction workers and workers of all kind as well as firefighters are pretty much neglected nowadays, especially in TV series. Most stuff on TV is about cops, docs or soldiers. There is only a limited amount of movies or series about firefighters and absolutely non about workers.

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

Anyone who values his life, his time and enjoys developing his own intellectual capabilities, would avoid joining the military, this should especially be clear to anyone after watching all the military TikTok style videos online, where I question myself...THIS is what they allow into a uniform nowadays ? They must be seriously lacking.



All this came to my mind especially after I have served in the military myself (mandatory military service).

Its just overall...silly.


And I am having a hard time to take anyone seriously who says " But they keep us safe from the Russians, Chinese or terrorists ". Well, they don't... in fact in a real war scenario, regular army is next to irrelevant but all the massive numbers of draftees, which would be pretty much every male person in a country, would make the actual difference. But one does not need to serve his entire life during peace time to then defend his country in such a scenario. Most people fighting in Ukraine are draftees, not regulars.

Now talking about men being drafted...where are all the feminists and females serving in the Ukraine army defending their nation ??? I thought they want to be equal to men and have the same rights and respect, yet all soldiers are male, except for a very very few tremendously rare exceptions, where women serve as TikTok representatives to make western people like them.


Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond. I just wanted to get this out there.

[Zeno]

引用自 Raelic：

I don't really care what a foreigner thinks of the US military. Frankly, it's only your business when we make it your business.

That's point number 1.

Point number 2, you don't know how our military is designed. Like much of the US culture and adulthood it is easy to participate and be a part of. But you can also excel and challenge yourself in our military. You don't have to stay enlisted unless you want to.

Military service also comes with the GI bill that will pay for your college you already took or are going to take.

Point 3, it's weird you bring up Stolen Valor in all that vitriol. Veterans have benefits in our society. Benefits they deserve even if you don't like it. If someone fakes that status to elevate themselves with a lie, that should be ridiculed. Just don't lie and you'll be safe from humiliation. It's not a tall bar to achieve.

1 and 2. I am very well aware of that as I have lived in the US and information about your economy, military and social structures are extremely well known over here in my country.

Your country makes it my business almost everyday, by dragging us into various wars due to NATO and having stationed thousands of units in my country. So yeah, you should care because your glorious army is peeing off a few too many nations nowadays and is slowly starting to stand in the dark by its own.

Furthermore, the college bill and stolen valour which is a thing due to vets having benefits, are both just a product of a military culture, needing recruits and therefore could be easily abolished.

Pushing yourself in the military means pushing yourself to be a slave for the government with a few more strips on your uniform.

I was a soldier once, I know how this goes. This does not make me respect your military any more.

PS: I was generally referring to military, not just your country.

[Nekoborg]

引用自 hurq：

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

It usually is elevated as being " heroic ", " patriotic " or " protectors of our freedom " while 9 out of 10 times, the military is only used to establish government interests but not actual interests of the people.

Furthermore, getting a military job in the military, is one of the easiest things on the planet. There is next to no expectations of someone who applies to start off as a normal grunt in lets say the infantry, other than basic physical fitness... Hell even this is mostly dropped nowadays as they can't find enough recruits so they take in obese people and people with other handicaps who would not be up for physical challenge of combat.

My point is, the military is a " total institution " that serves as a tool for the government. Its not some sort of collecting tank for complete winners and little Einstein's, yet the media and some people (especially Americans) celebrate soldiers as if they are protecting every single citizen's butt by shooting up villages in remote Afghanistan or Iraq.

What a joke.

I respect the discipline people have to maintain in military combat roles, but I am having a hard time to actually respect the people who work there for years and act all proud of it and have a go at some other losers who commit " stolen valor ".
There are managers, factory workers, doctors, firefighters, construction workers who actually contribute something to economy and society and no one celebrates them remotely as much.

Especially construction workers and workers of all kind as well as firefighters are pretty much neglected nowadays, especially in TV series. Most stuff on TV is about cops, docs or soldiers. There is only a limited amount of movies or series about firefighters and absolutely non about workers.

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

Anyone who values his life, his time and enjoys developing his own intellectual capabilities, would avoid joining the military, this should especially be clear to anyone after watching all the military TikTok style videos online, where I question myself...THIS is what they allow into a uniform nowadays ? They must be seriously lacking.



All this came to my mind especially after I have served in the military myself (mandatory military service).

Its just overall...silly.


And I am having a hard time to take anyone seriously who says " But they keep us safe from the Russians, Chinese or terrorists ". Well, they don't... in fact in a real war scenario, regular army is next to irrelevant but all the massive numbers of draftees, which would be pretty much every male person in a country, would make the actual difference. But one does not need to serve his entire life during peace time to then defend his country in such a scenario. Most people fighting in Ukraine are draftees, not regulars.

Now talking about men being drafted...where are all the feminists and females serving in the Ukraine army defending their nation ??? I thought they want to be equal to men and have the same rights and respect, yet all soldiers are male, except for a very very few tremendously rare exceptions, where women serve as TikTok representatives to make western people like them.


Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond. I just wanted to get this out there.

I could never serve because as a libertarian I have problems with authoritarians.

Even in school I often got in trouble with teachers and the administration.

My parents raised me to always question and resist authority whenever the opportunity arose. The only authority I respected was my parents.

This did not mean that I did not read and study. If a teacher asked me a question then I would say something like "It is stupid to ask me questions you already know the answer to" especially if I knew the answer. I just enjoyed resisting their authoritarian attitude. If the teachers or administration tried to call my parents then they would support me and laugh at them. Often on tests I would find the most difficult questions or problems and solve them while leaving the rest blank. That proved I knew the material and couldn't be forced to bow down to them.

[Zeno]

引用自 Nekoborg：

引用自 hurq：

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

It usually is elevated as being " heroic ", " patriotic " or " protectors of our freedom " while 9 out of 10 times, the military is only used to establish government interests but not actual interests of the people.

Furthermore, getting a military job in the military, is one of the easiest things on the planet. There is next to no expectations of someone who applies to start off as a normal grunt in lets say the infantry, other than basic physical fitness... Hell even this is mostly dropped nowadays as they can't find enough recruits so they take in obese people and people with other handicaps who would not be up for physical challenge of combat.

My point is, the military is a " total institution " that serves as a tool for the government. Its not some sort of collecting tank for complete winners and little Einstein's, yet the media and some people (especially Americans) celebrate soldiers as if they are protecting every single citizen's butt by shooting up villages in remote Afghanistan or Iraq.

What a joke.

I respect the discipline people have to maintain in military combat roles, but I am having a hard time to actually respect the people who work there for years and act all proud of it and have a go at some other losers who commit " stolen valor ".
There are managers, factory workers, doctors, firefighters, construction workers who actually contribute something to economy and society and no one celebrates them remotely as much.

Especially construction workers and workers of all kind as well as firefighters are pretty much neglected nowadays, especially in TV series. Most stuff on TV is about cops, docs or soldiers. There is only a limited amount of movies or series about firefighters and absolutely non about workers.

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

Anyone who values his life, his time and enjoys developing his own intellectual capabilities, would avoid joining the military, this should especially be clear to anyone after watching all the military TikTok style videos online, where I question myself...THIS is what they allow into a uniform nowadays ? They must be seriously lacking.



All this came to my mind especially after I have served in the military myself (mandatory military service).

Its just overall...silly.


And I am having a hard time to take anyone seriously who says " But they keep us safe from the Russians, Chinese or terrorists ". Well, they don't... in fact in a real war scenario, regular army is next to irrelevant but all the massive numbers of draftees, which would be pretty much every male person in a country, would make the actual difference. But one does not need to serve his entire life during peace time to then defend his country in such a scenario. Most people fighting in Ukraine are draftees, not regulars.

Now talking about men being drafted...where are all the feminists and females serving in the Ukraine army defending their nation ??? I thought they want to be equal to men and have the same rights and respect, yet all soldiers are male, except for a very very few tremendously rare exceptions, where women serve as TikTok representatives to make western people like them.


Don't bother trolling, I won't bother to respond. I just wanted to get this out there.

I could never serve because as a libertarian I have problems with authoritarians.

Even in school I often got in trouble with teachers and the administration.

My parents raised me to always question and resist authority whenever the opportunity arose. The only authority I respected was my parents.

This did not mean that I did not read and study. If a teacher asked me a question then I would say something like "It is stupid to ask me questions you already know the answer to" especially if I knew the answer. I just enjoyed resisting their authoritarian attitude. If the teachers or administration tried to call my parents then they would support me and laugh at them. Often on tests I would find the most difficult questions or problems and solve them while leaving the bulk blank. That proved I knew the material and couldn't be forced to bow down to them.

I much prefer to be surrounded by people with your mentality than mindless drones who think they are the bigger man now because they dance and jump by the command of some 25 years old even bigger mindless drone.

[Voroff]

引用自 hurq：

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

You can has your opinion as much as you like; as well as me saying "where is the military hyped ?" - except in recruit centers - tik tok maybe - and clearly videogames.

Those who had watched a vietnam war film knows. Those who watches documentaries knows. Those who heard of history knows. Those who read books about wars knows too.

And about your sentence i quoted, those who listened to some music knows even better :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxsPBbZ_b8 ♫
"You're in the army, now"



Conclusion : to be almost fine about warrior propaganda; stay away of too much gaming - and from long-theethed politicians. Ho, and dont be broke too, but that's another story.

[Zeno]

引用自 Voroff：

引用自 hurq：

You can rip me in pieces for saying this, but some 20 years old U.S Army infantry guy isn't a hero for me, but a deceived and naive young guy who was talked into this by some recruiter, movies and video games.

You can has your opinion as much as you like; as well as me saying "where is the military hyped ?" - except in recruit centers - tik tok maybe - and clearly videogames.

Those who had watched a vietnam war film knows. Those who watches documentaries knows. Those who heard of history knows. Those who read books about wars knows too.

And about your sentence i quoted, those who listened to some music knows even better :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxsPBbZ_b8 ♫
"You're in the army, now"



Conclusion : to be almost fine about warrior propaganda; stay away of too much gaming - and from long-theethed politicians. Ho, and dont be broke too, but that's another story.

I think I got the impression of it being hyped due to a variety of people I read online, talked to when I was in the US as well as media, movies and so on.

Hell even people who had nothing to do with the military started to celebrate them out of the blue, something rather confusing to me.

[Voroff]

引用自 hurq：

Hell even people who had nothing to do with the military started to celebrate them out of the blue, something rather confusing to me.

Tribalism, desperation (see the money problem), gov and or societal peer pressure in some cases where Nationnalism is more welcomed than simple Patriotism.



In the case of the USA, it's one of the major industries. Of course there will be recruiting centers and long-toothed politicians. considering than, in average, USA lauches a war every 5 years, and the economy is partly reliant on "Defense" ... and "contracts for reconstruction". And there is a "Promoting democracy" branch, too, but this one drains money rather than producing some - it creates opportunities instead. A whole shebang. So Gov wants to recruit.

So, again : no recruiting centers, no politicians, and a tinsy bit less videogames will clear your troubled mind.

Edit : ho, i almost forget that there is a war going not-that-far-from-europe. Maybe the people poping out of the blue have something to do with that, around your parts ?

[Zeno]

引用自 Voroff：

引用自 hurq：

Hell even people who had nothing to do with the military started to celebrate them out of the blue, something rather confusing to me.

Tribalism, desperation (see the money problem), gov and or societal peer pressure in some cases where Nationnalism is more welcomed than simple Patriotism.



In the case of the USA, it's one of the major industries. Of course there will be recruiting centers and long-toothed politicians. considering than, in average, USA lauches a war every 5 years, and the economy is partly reliant on "Defense" ... and "contracts for reconstruction". And there is a "Promoting democracy" branch, too, but this one drains money rather than producing some - it creates opportunities instead. A whole shebang. So Gov wants to recruit.

So, again : no recruiting centers, no politicians, and a tinsy bit less videogames will clear your troubled mind.

I don't live in the US hence I am not directly exposed to these factors anyway.
However, when I talk to people, let it be at work, formely University or online, I usually encountered people from the US and Uk, who appeared to be especially fond of the armed forces, even women and mothers of kids.

This is something I have never comprehended.

My point was, that even people who do NOT profit from the military industry, appear to put great effort into boosting the military voluntarily.

[76561198356019466]

引用自 󠀡󠀡Eréndira：

Sounds like a "you" problem, OP.

"Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP."
- Reed Rothchild

[MinionJoe]

引用自 hurq：

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

So I take it you found the U.S. Army enlistment ads are misleading because your two moms actually didn't approve of you joining?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYGFSONKbk

[Zeno]

引用自 MinionJoe：

引用自 hurq：

As someone who has been in the military himself, I truly dislike the hype in especially the U.S about the military and the career of being a soldier.

So I take it you found the U.S. Army enlistment ads are misleading because your two moms actually didn't approve of you joining?

Why would I try to join the U.S Army ? I am not even a U.S citizen.

Maybe read the entire thread before trying to spill toxicity again.

[MinionJoe]

引用自 hurq：

引用自 MinionJoe：

So I take it you found the U.S. Army enlistment ads are misleading because your two moms actually didn't approve of you joining?

Why would I try to join the U.S Army ? I am not even a U.S citizen.

Maybe read the entire thread before trying to spill toxicity again.

I just don't think you actually know now military service is currently being "hyped" in the United States.

Maybe speak of your own experiences instead of engaging with a topic you are not familiar with.

[Zeno]

引用自 MinionJoe：

引用自 hurq：

Why would I try to join the U.S Army ? I am not even a U.S citizen.

Maybe read the entire thread before trying to spill toxicity again.

I just don't think you actually know now military service is currently being "hyped" in the United States.

Maybe speak of your own experiences instead of engaging with a topic you are not familiar with.

It appears to me it is hyped.

How has this to do anything with knowing anything on the topic ? Do you also have arguments or only blant and shallow insults ?

As someone who does not live in the U.S but did so in the past, everything I currently see looks like they hype their military. The people, media, government, schools, influencers..

[craigsters]

https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU

42,042 men and women of Canada's armed forces died during the war : 22,917 in the Canadian Army, 17,101 in the RCAF and 2,024 in the RCN. 54,414 were wounded and 8,995 taken prisoner.

Remember all those that served to make are lives free and possible today

[MinionJoe]

引用自 hurq：

Do you also have arguments or only blant and shallow insults ?

Whatever it takes to get you to bother to respond.

You're welcome to whatever point-of-view or opinion you want.

I'm saying as an American citizen who was a military dependent for many years, there is no longer any meaningful culture of "military hype" in the United States.

When "flight suits for pregnant Air Force personnel" is a selling point, there's really nothing of value left to hype.

[Zeno]

引用自 MinionJoe：

引用自 hurq：

Do you also have arguments or only blant and shallow insults ?

Whatever it takes to get you to bother to respond.

You're welcome to whatever point-of-view or opinion you want.

I'm saying as an American citizen who was a military dependent for many years, there is no longer any meaningful culture of "military hype" in the United States.

When "flight suits for pregnant Air Force personnel" is a selling point, there's really nothing of value there to hype.

flight suits for pregnant women is exactly what I mean by military hype. The military does not know where to stop.

I was a soldier as well and we have similar things in my country happen. They want to make leopard tanks comfortalbe for pregnant women.......

I think the military is for mindless drones and leftists