Why must i pick a side???

[Valse Griffyre]

Don't agree with the leftist? I'm automatically a homophobic transphobic racist ♥♥♥♥.

Don't agree with the right wingers? I'm automatically a communist libtard who's gay and indulge in LGBT degeneracy.

Criticise Zelensky? I'm automatically an anti-west fascist who consume Russian propaganda and lick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Putin's ass for breakfast and support warmongering genocides in Ukraine.

Criticise Putin? I'm automatically a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ brainwashed by western media and in love with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Zelensky or whatever.

Like, seriously? I always take my a neutral stance on subjects yet I'm being called out by both sides for licking the asses of other sides. Must i pick a side? Can't a cynical dude be in the middle and see both sides' stories without being called out as leaning to one side?

[sleeps]

i just think that people had a beef on a mere label and few loud minorities among the labels. not basically everyone who is into that said labels. just fill the blank what "labels" i refer to

[Masque]

Messaggio originale di kbiz:

Messaggio originale di Apollo702:

They still are doing perhaps the best job of what they do out there at the moment.

Yes, what is the most fair political site? Yeah, it's RCP.

People are allowed to feel, interpret, analyze, prioritize - and reflect our varied perspectives. But we all have a stake in this game, people. We are not enemies. Hopefully, our goal will be to keep the United States (and others) prosperous - while addressing the political issues of the time.

Politics has become too hateful. One side is not good and one side is not evil. The other side is gonna destroy the world! Screech! No, it's a question of the best way forward. A civil debate. And then the majority rules. And the minority deals with the massive injustice. Heh.

Been following this exchange, kb. If I may chime in?

To many on the left, a site, organization, or publication is "right-wing" if even one percent of the content or membership is allowed to be right-wing, or supports any right-wing philosophy, ideal, or position. Even one. So, even if Fox News or RCP were to be 50/50, they're right wing, by the lights of most left-wing ideologues. Or even 90/10. Or 99/01.

What's the old adage they like to use? "If you have a bar and there's one nazi at the bar and he's allowed to stay, you have a nazi bar."

So, that makes places like Substack, Twitter, RCP, Quillette, and Fox News "Right Wing".

Even CNN is considered by many lately to be "becoming right-wing" because recently they allow one or two voices who are (purportedly) on the "right". Just one or two is all it takes to be pushed into the opposite camp.

I suppose some on the right have said this lately about Fox for having leftists on their shows, but I don't see this "one nazi is a nazi bar" mentality from the right as much as from the left.

All it takes is one or two commenters, dissenting from support of Current Thing -- however politely -- in a Polygon comment section is called by 99% of the regulars to announce with dread and dismay that Polygon has become "INFESTED". Just one or two. It's like the old "one drop rule", but for politics. The have taken Bush's "You're either with us or you're against us." to heart. Or Mao's "Nothing against the state, nothing outside the state, everything for the state."

You must be all-in, or you're right-wing.

[kbiz]

Messaggio originale di Masque:

Been following this exchange, kb. If I may chime in?

Of course, Masque. I notice you make reasoned posts.

I totally understand the concept of the nazi bar. That happens all the time. Easy way to paint a bunch of people as bad people.

I find the extremes at both sides to be very intolerant and hateful. But they are a small minority. We just gotta tune em out. They're so squawky though. You know, they're the dude that standing right next to you with a megaphone yelling right in your ear. Yeah, squawky. Think Twitter.

I think it's dangerous to think in terms of good and evil. I think it's dangerous to be a one issue voter.

Are we people with bad ideas or are we bad people with ideas?

You're a bad person! Thus all your ideas are invalid.

I'm good. You're evil.

I also don't like the way the media plays on the emotions of people. Get outraged! Everyone! Look at this! Get outraged!

We gotta get past all that stuff. We gotta see the bias. We gotta know our five important policies. We gotta rank the important issues. We gotta find workable solutions. We gotta vote. We gotta choose the lesser of two evils. Why? Because one way is the better of the worse.

[Plaid]

Messaggio originale di Masque:

Messaggio originale di kbiz:

Yes, what is the most fair political site? Yeah, it's RCP.

People are allowed to feel, interpret, analyze, prioritize - and reflect our varied perspectives. But we all have a stake in this game, people. We are not enemies. Hopefully, our goal will be to keep the United States (and others) prosperous - while addressing the political issues of the time.

Politics has become too hateful. One side is not good and one side is not evil. The other side is gonna destroy the world! Screech! No, it's a question of the best way forward. A civil debate. And then the majority rules. And the minority deals with the massive injustice. Heh.

Been following this exchange, kb. If I may chime in?

To many on the left, a site, organization, or publication is "right-wing" if even one percent of the content or membership is allowed to be right-wing, or supports any right-wing philosophy, ideal, or position. Even one. So, even if Fox News or RCP were to be 50/50, they're right wing, by the lights of most left-wing ideologues. Or even 90/10. Or 99/01.

What's the old adage they like to use? "If you have a bar and there's one nazi at the bar and he's allowed to stay, you have a nazi bar."

So, that makes places like Substack, Twitter, RCP, Quillette, and Fox News "Right Wing".

Even CNN is considered by many lately to be "becoming right-wing" because recently they allow one or two voices who are (purportedly) on the "right". Just one or two is all it takes to be pushed into the opposite camp.

I suppose some on the right have said this lately about Fox for having leftists on their shows, but I don't see this "one nazi is a nazi bar" mentality from the right as much as from the left.

All it takes is one or two commenters, dissenting from support of Current Thing -- however politely -- in a Polygon comment section is called by 99% of the regulars to announce with dread and dismay that Polygon has become "INFESTED". Just one or two. It's like the old "one drop rule", but for politics. The have taken Bush's "You're either with us or you're against us." to heart. Or Mao's "Nothing against the state, nothing outside the state, everything for the state."

You must be all-in, or you're right-wing.

I call CNN right wing because they serve corporate interests, much like the Democrats and Republicans.

[sleeps]

some people just really hate the right wing for one reason and one reason only. like i said before, i expect people hate the label and not everyone on the labels although i want to add up that some people really hate people on the said labels

[ZZZZZ]

be like me, Im against both sides cuz they are both evil.. one just more than the other

[Z i o ⚡]

You think you can just chill in the middle while the extremes are up in arms??

[kbiz]

Messaggio originale di Chalupabaras:

Your vote is meaningless until you've seen things from the other side of the ballot box, after that you'll never want to vote again.

Of course one vote is meaningless. But it is our responsibility as members of a democracy to vote.

Let hear from the disenfranchised.

I understand the apathy. I understand the disdain. But still! THERE IS A LESSER OF TWO EVILS OUT THERE. Policies have consequences - consequences for us - and certainly consequences for the next generation.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Mentally ill hyper-partisan brainrot.

Like the great philosopher asmongold said: you can build 100 bridges but once you suck 1 ♥♥♥♥ youre not longer a bridge builder. Youre a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

You can have 99% X policies but that 1% Y policy makes you an enemy to X in the minds of these NPCs.

[Slim]

Messaggio originale di Lord Gryph:

Regarding the Russo-Ukrainian War, I'm against Putin's aggression, but being a cynic i refuse to believe that Zelensky is a saint like how the western media like to portray him as. In fact i look at news presented by the western media with distain and disgust. Russian military leaders commited lots of war crimes, that's true, and i refuse to believe the Ukrainians commit no crimes at all themselves.

Thing is tho, if Ukrainians commit war crimes then their support from the West ends. The other side would love, LllllllllllllllllOVE, to have every inch of every media plastered with the actions of others doing what russia does. Essentially, it's war and ♥♥♥♥ happens, BUT the leaders of one side are 100% pushing their soldiers to do war crimes while the other isn't.

And frankly, does Zelensky really even need to remotely be a saint in his situation?

Edit: Yes, there is recorded evidence of nazism of Ukrainians. A handful of people really. But two things; the rise of nationalism in Ukraine was created by russians back in the 90's. There are some really interesting reading material on the matter. And as abhorrent of an ideology that it is, can you imagine how bad it is to live under russian rule that someone would actually choose to become a nazi? I mean look at how bad off Eastern Europe who were under the iron curtain turned out.

[Ulfrinn]

Messaggio originale di Slim:

Messaggio originale di Lord Gryph:

Regarding the Russo-Ukrainian War, I'm against Putin's aggression, but being a cynic i refuse to believe that Zelensky is a saint like how the western media like to portray him as. In fact i look at news presented by the western media with distain and disgust. Russian military leaders commited lots of war crimes, that's true, and i refuse to believe the Ukrainians commit no crimes at all themselves.

Thing is tho, if Ukrainians commit war crimes then their support from the West ends. The other side would love, LllllllllllllllllOVE, to have every inch of every media plastered with the actions of others doing what russia does. Essentially, it's war and ♥♥♥♥ happens, BUT the leaders of one side are 100% pushing their soldiers to do war crimes while the other isn't.

And frankly, does Zelensky really even need to remotely be a saint in his situation?

No it wouldn't. Zelensky, and Ukraine in general has already done a lot of unscrupulous acts. The media just white washes them and the people who still tune in to cable news just tell themselves it never happened.

[kbiz]

Messaggio originale di Chalupabaras:

Messaggio originale di kbiz:

Of course one vote is meaningless. But it is our responsibility as members of a democracy to vote.

No, it's a "civic duty". Which, even then, it isn't because you can't get thrown in prison for choosing to not do it. Unlike military conscription or the draft.

You should want to vote. Democracy is good.

Messaggio originale di Chalupabaras:

Messaggio originale di kbiz:

I understand the apathy. I understand the disdain.

You cannot understand another person's perspective, you can only appreciate it from your own ego-centric point of view..

I want everyone to vote their perspective.

Messaggio originale di Chalupabaras:

Messaggio originale di kbiz:

But still! THERE IS A LESSER OF TWO EVILS OUT THERE. Policies have consequences - consequences for us - and certainly consequences for the next generation.

Choosing the lesser of the two evils is still choosing evil.

It's choosing the best option available.

[Masque]

kb, I don't think there is a "best aggregator". I browse several, and some comment sections serve as aggregators, where people just like me post links to news articles, columns, essays, tweets, etc.

I won't list them here, as that would be "advertising" and I'd get banned, with my luck.