Biological men playing sports with women

[spasti696969]

Does anyone actually support the idea that people who were born as a man and went through puberty as a man should be allowed to play sports with biological women (as in they have XX chromosomes, not XY)?

I feel like we've reached a point in our society where it's like the old fable "The Emperor's New Clothes". Everyone can see that it's wrong to let a dude go around on the sports field and beat up ladies just because he put on a dress and gave himself a woman's name. But nobody wanted to say anything for a long time because they didn't want to get called out, labeled a bigot, and made into a pariah by polite society.

But now the pendulum has swung. After the Bud Light fiasco, it's become like the scene during the French revolution when Robespierre and Saint Just are called out by the public. We're at the point now if polite society is going to force us to think this way, we'd rather just not be a part of polite society in the first place.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I see only an issue when it comes to awards, medals, money, etc... regarding transwomen.

For fun, I do not see an issue.

Then there is another issue of transmen in men's sports, but the issue does not appear properly because men's sports are, in fact at least in the USA, are taken more seriously than women's sports.

We should look towards proper women's professional sports for guidance, such as the CWHL.

I could write a 10-page report about this (and have for a college final), but it is Sunday and I don't work on Sunday.

[Triple G]

引用自 spasti696969：

I certainly don't think it's something that should be accepted or even tolerated in a developed western society.

Ok - how to avoid it, if it´s about certain rules or societal behavior / problems? Because we can´t have individual rules for each individual.

[spasti696969]

引用自 Triple G：

引用自 spasti696969：

I certainly don't think it's something that should be accepted or even tolerated in a developed western society.

Ok - how to avoid it, if it´s about certain rules or societal behavior / problems? Because we can´t have individual rules for each individual.

Well for me personally, I don't consider somebody a female just because they chopped off part of their penis. On a genetic level they're still male and still have all the inherent biological advantages that come along with that physically. Even a guy missing his testicles will produce more testosterone and have more muscle mass than a female, by a significant amount. On average, of course. Yes women like Brienne from Game of Thrones exist.

[MistuhG]

I think there are already rules in most physical based competitions that prohibit taking drugs that provide some kind of performance enhancement (like steroids) in order to gain an unfair advantage over others. I've never seen an adequate explanation of how this is any different?

Taking something that unnaturally modifies the normal state of your body such that it creates the conditions to advantage the taker, where others in the competition cannot receive fair and equal benefit, is normally a no-brainer disqualifier.

[Downtown DK Company ✅]

Women are more likley to support the LGBTQ than men so if they never win again ask yourself if it's a self inflicted wound or not before trying to defend a sex.

[Triple G]

引用自 spasti696969：

Well for me personally, I don't consider somebody a female just because they chopped off part of their penis. On a genetic level they're still male and still have all the inherent biological advantages that come along with that physically. Even a guy missing his testicles will produce more testosterone and have more muscle mass than a female, by a significant amount. On average, of course. Yes women like Brienne from Game of Thrones exist.

But that wasn´t my question. How to solve it for the society? As there needs to be some agreement how to deal with people.

For individuals it´s easy, but any action, or things we don´t do - there are consequences for others. So it was about that:

引用自 Triple G：

引用自 spasti696969：

I certainly don't think it's something that should be accepted or even tolerated in a developed western society.

Ok - how to avoid it, if it´s about certain rules or societal behavior / problems? Because we can´t have individual rules for each individual.

Because i asked if Your statement didn´t work for both sides...

So: how to avoid it?

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 spasti696969：

Like, you can put on a dress and call yourself Auntie Sal all day, but you still have XY chromsomes, not XX.

And you can still lose to ciswomen.

Try it yourself!

[Neurotic Panda]

this is really easy to figure out and one side of the 'coin' is never brought up for obvious reasons. It completely disproves one sides argument that its totally fair for them to be competing against women.

why is is never brought up that 'trans guys' would get wtf curb stomped in physical competition against 'real men' in the same sport. why is this side of the coin never mentioned or used in their argument. if taking some hormones to grow a beard or breasts just automatically makes you a man or woman
then how come a 5'4" 'trans guy' who is still physically and DNA checked still a woman isn't out there competing and WINNING in mens MMA? or mens wrestling? etc.. could it be because they are at a disadvantage for some reason? i think everyone is like, well. duh they cant compete against 'real men'.. ah. so a 'woman' cant compete against 'men'.. it makes sense here right?

but..

funny how when this applies the other way.. OHHH NONO.. there is no advantage or disadvantage anyplace. 'trans girls' are the same as 'real girls'.. so they should be able to compete fairly. nothing to see, move along. we'll just be taking all of those womans records and awards. ty very much.

Also.

It's been brought up. Have your own 'league'. NO ONE cares that you are trans, NO ONE cares you do sports. just do it in your own place/league and enjoy. it actually could be pretty cool with your own records and events, etc.

BUT.

nooooo. we don't want that. you ~ must ~ accept us in your womens sports. and again I say.. where are the 'trans guys' in mens sports and why isn't this more of an issue or brought up? I think we all know the answer.

make a trans league and lets move on. the world has seriously more dire issues.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 Neurotic Panda：

this is really easy to figure out and one side of the 'coin' is never brought up for obvious reasons. It completely disproves one sides argument that its totally fair for them to be competing against women.

why is is never brought up that 'trans guys' would get wtf curb stomped in physical competition against 'real men' in the same sport. why is this side of the coin never mentioned or used in their argument. if taking some hormones to grow a beard or breasts just automatically makes you a man or woman
then how come a 5'4" 'trans guy' who is still physically and DNA checked still a woman isn't out there competing and WINNING in mens MMA? or mens wrestling? etc.. could it be because they are at a disadvantage for some reason? i think everyone is like, well. duh they cant compete against 'real men'.. ah. so a 'woman' cant compete against 'men'.. it makes sense here right?

but..

funny how when this applies the other way.. OHHH NONO.. there is no advantage or disadvantage anyplace. 'trans girls' are the same as 'real girls'.. so they should be able to compete fairly. nothing to see, move along. we'll just be taking all of those womans records and awards. ty very much.

Also.

It's been brought up. Have your own 'league'. NO ONE cares that you are trans, NO ONE cares you do sports. just do it in your own place/league and enjoy. it actually could be pretty cool with your own records and events, etc.

BUT.

nooooo. we don't want that. you ~ must ~ accept us in your womens sports. and again I say.. where are the 'trans guys' in mens sports and why isn't this more of an issue or brought up? I think we all know the answer.

make a trans league and lets move on. the world has seriously more dire issues.

:GHSleep: :DSTpoop:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Manuel

[chima]

trans womyn are "biological" womyn. you can ignore every other post in this thread, they're probably garbage

[Neurotic Panda]

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

引用自 Neurotic Panda：

this is really easy to figure out and one side of the 'coin' is never brought up for obvious reasons. It completely disproves one sides argument that its totally fair for them to be competing against women.

why is is never brought up that 'trans guys' would get wtf curb stomped in physical competition against 'real men' in the same sport. why is this side of the coin never mentioned or used in their argument. if taking some hormones to grow a beard or breasts just automatically makes you a man or woman
then how come a 5'4" 'trans guy' who is still physically and DNA checked still a woman isn't out there competing and WINNING in mens MMA? or mens wrestling? etc.. could it be because they are at a disadvantage for some reason? i think everyone is like, well. duh they cant compete against 'real men'.. ah. so a 'woman' cant compete against 'men'.. it makes sense here right?

but..

funny how when this applies the other way.. OHHH NONO.. there is no advantage or disadvantage anyplace. 'trans girls' are the same as 'real girls'.. so they should be able to compete fairly. nothing to see, move along. we'll just be taking all of those womans records and awards. ty very much.

Also.

It's been brought up. Have your own 'league'. NO ONE cares that you are trans, NO ONE cares you do sports. just do it in your own place/league and enjoy. it actually could be pretty cool with your own records and events, etc.

BUT.

nooooo. we don't want that. you ~ must ~ accept us in your womens sports. and again I say.. where are the 'trans guys' in mens sports and why isn't this more of an issue or brought up? I think we all know the answer.

make a trans league and lets move on. the world has seriously more dire issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Manuel

OMG 1 example of one person winning 3 fights? lol.

ty for proving my point.

show me the trans guys breaking records in mens cycling, wrestling, MMA, weight lifting, football, basketball, volleyball etc etc.

they don't exist. becasue they are at a disadvantage.

also again,

make a trans league. do your thing. this should be a literal non issue. rofl.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 Neurotic Panda：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricio_Manuel

OMG 1 example of one person winning 3 fights? lol.

ty for proving my point.

show me the trans guys breaking records in mens cycling, wrestling, MMA, weight lifting, football, basketball, volleyball etc etc.

they don't exist. becasue they are at a disadvantage.

also again,

make a trans league. do your thing. this should be a literal non issue. rofl.

How many women do you think are into boxing?

[Neurotic Panda]

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

引用自 Neurotic Panda：

OMG 1 example of one person winning 3 fights? lol.

ty for proving my point.

show me the trans guys breaking records in mens cycling, wrestling, MMA, weight lifting, football, basketball, volleyball etc etc.

they don't exist. becasue they are at a disadvantage.

also again,

make a trans league. do your thing. this should be a literal non issue. rofl.

How many women do you think are into boxing?

a lot. just watched weigh-ins for the next MMA fight actually..

also how many 'trans guys' are breaking sports records in 'real means' sports?

compared to

'trans girls' in 'real girls' sports?

can you pull that stat since you found 1 trans guy who won 3 fights... lol.

you got your wiki for that stat?

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 Neurotic Panda：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

How many women do you think are into boxing?

a lot. just watched weigh-ins for the next MMA fight actually..

also how many 'trans guys' are breaking sports records in 'real means' sports?

compared to

'trans girls' in 'real girls' sports?

can you pull that stat since you found 1 trans guy who won 3 fights... lol.

you got your wiki for that stat?

I said boxing.

You're talking about MMA.

That says everything I need to know about you. Can you be more disingenuous?

[Neurotic Panda]

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

引用自 Neurotic Panda：

a lot. just watched weigh-ins for the next MMA fight actually..

also how many 'trans guys' are breaking sports records in 'real means' sports?

compared to

'trans girls' in 'real girls' sports?

can you pull that stat since you found 1 trans guy who won 3 fights... lol.

you got your wiki for that stat?

I said boxing.

You're talking about MMA.

That says everything I need to know about you. Can you be more disingenuous?

you realize boxing and its fundamentals are literally part of MMA right, you can box in the MMA..?

again i ask because you are deflecting.

how many 'trans guys' hold records in 'real mens' sports.

compared to

'trans girls' in 'real girls' sports'.

i'll wait for your stats. since you love tossing our your 'wikis' and /sarcasm...