Study: Learning Disabilities and Autism leading to Euthanasia.

[kilésengati]

Sorry folks, this is heavy. If you don't like to get sad, don't read any further!


A study about euthanasia and assisted suicide in the Netherlands has found that more than 4% of the requests in the sample group were due to learning disabilities or autism.

https://www.kingston.ac.uk/news/article/2843/05-jul-2023-factors-associated-with-learning-disabilities-and-autism-led-to-requests-for-euthanasia-and-assisted-suicide/

About 60k assisted suicides and euthanasias were conducted in the Netherlands over the course of the ten-year data sets where the 900 case report sample used for the study were drawn from. A whopping 39 requests for euthanasia or assisted suicides were made in connection with learning disabilities and/or autism. Most of which included loneliness as the main reason for the suffering and deemed as untreatable due to the nature of the conditions in question.

It's important to note that "just go out and meet people" isn't going to work for many people with such disabilities.


Obviously, this only includes documented assisted suicides. I suppose there are a fair bunch of people, even in countries like the Netherlands, that don't seek this procedure instead.

I suppose in Canada, leading doctors recommend this procedure? But morbid jokes aside.


Are learning disabilities and autism really untreatable and possibly terminal conditions?
Or does society need to adjust to not make people killing themselves for the disabilities they were born with?


Keep in mind, this is not a discussion about euthanasia but about the terminality of otherwise non-terminal illnesses. Learning disabilities and autism in particular.

Please keep it civil.

[$2 Hero]

A whopping 39 out of 60,000.

[davidb11]

4% is not newsworthy.
Also, so many Blocked users in this thread. Wacky.

[Adversary]

Some people think I should have been aborted because I have autism. Personally, even if my lot in life is ♥♥♥♥ I still like being alive. All I have to say other than that is suicide is a permanent solution for temporary problems. And if your problems happen to be more on the permanent side, then all you've really got to do is learn how to cope with it.

After all, this world wasn't built for people like me who have autism. And it never will be. So personally I think it's on me to adapt to the world rather than either demand that the world adapt to me or alternatively commit unhappy and get into the forever box.

I like to think that is an example that others can follow if they choose to do so. One day at a time though, not all at once. Life being a learning process and all that.

Course, the current state of eugenics is a lot like the current state of the union in that it was perverted over time by people who didn't understand concepts which were pretty basic to begin with and then proceeded to overcomplicate and thus pervert and destroy them. But then again, eugenics is just another thing like Ben & Jerry's to blame on the state of Vermont.

Really was just about taking care of yourself and improving your lot in life. None of that sterilizing people, eating corn flakes or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ the nation of Greenland is up to. Technically speaking were I to be conceived there today it would be mandated by law that I be aborted.

Like I said though, I like being alive.

[Acetyl]

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

4% is not newsworthy.
Also, so many Blocked users in this thread. Wacky.

Why does your "type" always feel the need to announce it? You are a type you know.

[Adversary]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Acetyl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

4% is not newsworthy.
Also, so many Blocked users in this thread. Wacky.

Why does your "type" always feel the need to announce it? You are a type you know.

Because those types for whatever reason cannot just ignore people once they've blocked them. They've got to pitch a fit about it and then insist that others block them as well.

It's a dogwhistle.

[Not Big Surprise]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Acetyl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh davidb11:

4% is not newsworthy.
Also, so many Blocked users in this thread. Wacky.

Why does your "type" always feel the need to announce it? You are a type you know.

what type are they

[Slim]

That's actually an interesting take on the topic in general. Autistic people make up only .006% of the Netherlands. Yet account for 4% of a decent sample size of people that have received this service. Then again after further reading that it was of only 900 of the 60k that have been done.

At the end of the day, whose to say who can apply for the service if there is no other people willing to help in the first place. And as for the Canadian service; You're more likely to be accepted for the procedure if you homeless than if you have an irreversible social/mental condition.

[TwisterCat]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Not Big Surprise:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Acetyl:

Why does your "type" always feel the need to announce it? You are a type you know.

what type are they

B-

[pants]

Does the euthanasia come before or after they start posting here

[kilésengati]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Snow ☯:

Diposting pertama kali oleh kilésengati:

What the heck, did the stuff I wrote about society needing to seek ways to make life more liveable for disabled people got deleted? But the conspiracies stay up?

Good job at silencing the disabled, Steam.

Cheers!

There's no conspiracy theories in those posts, both are factual statements.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

And Margaret Sanger the leader of Planned Parenthood has alot of vile opinions and her history is well documented. I picked the bit about forced sterilizations from one of the speeches they have on her on file. Where they transcribed her speech. She wasn't a very nice lady.

No, I wasn't quoting yours because they are conspiracy. I was quoting yours because my responses to your replies got deleted. They are now restored.
When it comes to conspiracies, I was more thinking about some other users here.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Slim:

That's actually an interesting take on the topic in general. Autistic people make up only .006% of the Netherlands. Yet account for 4% of a decent sample size of people that have received this service. Then again after further reading that it was of only 900 of the 60k that have been done.

Exactly. That's an insanely disproportionate amount, especially since the reasons given are of societal nature and could be changed with public information campaigns and a change of mind in society.
And the people saying "shut up, it's only 4%" just make me sick. As a German, I can tell you, this ain't healthy thinking.

The sample size of 900 seems to be because they used a searchable public database. The rest are simply not in there and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ statistics only seem to give superficial data. It's the best data set they could get.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Slim:

At the end of the day, whose to say who can apply for the service if there is no other people willing to help in the first place. And as for the Canadian service; You're more likely to be accepted for the procedure if you homeless than if you have an irreversible social/mental condition.

I really had to look this up because I couldn't believe it.
Canada's "MAID" laws and the views on it by society are horrifying. I've always considered Canada to be kind of America's friendly and more reasonable cousin, but now I wouldn't even want to set foot in there for a layover.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/paralympian-trying-to-get-wheelchair-ramp-says-veterans-affairs-employee-offered-her-assisted-dying-1.6179325
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws

Well, at least these laws seem to have public support, I guess. :/
This is just really sombre, maybe I really should stop looking into this for now.

Diposting pertama kali oleh ᚨᛞᚡᛖᚱᛋᚨᚱᛃ:

Some people think I should have been aborted because I have autism. Personally, even if my lot in life is ♥♥♥♥ I still like being alive. All I have to say other than that is suicide is a permanent solution for temporary problems. And if your problems happen to be more on the permanent side, then all you've really got to do is learn how to cope with it.

After all, this world wasn't built for people like me who have autism. And it never will be. So personally I think it's on me to adapt to the world rather than either demand that the world adapt to me or alternatively commit unhappy and get into the forever box.

I like to think that is an example that others can follow if they choose to do so. One day at a time though, not all at once. Life being a learning process and all that.

Course, the current state of eugenics is a lot like the current state of the union in that it was perverted over time by people who didn't understand concepts which were pretty basic to begin with and then proceeded to overcomplicate and thus pervert and destroy them. But then again, eugenics is just another thing like Ben & Jerry's to blame on the state of Vermont.

Really was just about taking care of yourself and improving your lot in life. None of that sterilizing people, eating corn flakes or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ the nation of Greenland is up to. Technically speaking were I to be conceived there today it would be mandated by law that I be aborted.

Like I said though, I like being alive.

Thank you for your insights.

I generally agree, but I disagree on the defeatist bits.

Yes, life is a learning process and one has to adapt to life, no doubt. But society isn't exempt from this either. Integration and inclusion goes both ways and with each to their abilities.
Society as a whole is probably the slowest learner and there is no short-term solution to the ignorance, incompetence, recreance and malevolence that guides it. Yet avoiding societal responsibility with mindsets like 'it's just x percent of people' or even 'adapt to us no matter what or die' are not helping it either - quite the opposite. It's just fundamentally repugnant and not worthy a society the Western ones claim to be, even in their current state. It's treason to the foundations of postwar Western society, simple as.

[Acetyl]

All Commonwealth countries / 5 Eyes (+Israel and Mossad) nations are bound to treat their populations like human livestock. The hidden hand comes out from behind the veil and reveals this many times, then it goes away and everyone just forgets or something. Like severely abused children.

[Jinn-Gon Qui]

I wonder if this also heavily impacted their daily routine during the lockdowns because they were stuck at home. I'd argue that's a major factor.

[Vinz Clortho]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M142_HIMARS

[Boblin the Goblin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Acetyl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Weimu:

thanks for confirming you're peddling utter BS

Knock it off. Stand on your own.

That's ironic.

[Acetyl]

Diposting pertama kali oleh SlowMango:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Acetyl:

Knock it off. Stand on your own.

That's ironic.

You're ironic.