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Study: Learning Disabilities and Autism leading to Euthanasia.
Sorry folks, this is heavy. If you don't like to get sad, don't read any further!


A study about euthanasia and assisted suicide in the Netherlands has found that more than 4% of the requests in the sample group were due to learning disabilities or autism.

https://www.kingston.ac.uk/news/article/2843/05-jul-2023-factors-associated-with-learning-disabilities-and-autism-led-to-requests-for-euthanasia-and-assisted-suicide/

About 60k assisted suicides and euthanasias were conducted in the Netherlands over the course of the ten-year data sets where the 900 case report sample used for the study were drawn from. A whopping 39 requests for euthanasia or assisted suicides were made in connection with learning disabilities and/or autism. Most of which included loneliness as the main reason for the suffering and deemed as untreatable due to the nature of the conditions in question.

It's important to note that "just go out and meet people" isn't going to work for many people with such disabilities.


Obviously, this only includes documented assisted suicides. I suppose there are a fair bunch of people, even in countries like the Netherlands, that don't seek this procedure instead.

I suppose in Canada, leading doctors recommend this procedure? But morbid jokes aside.


Are learning disabilities and autism really untreatable and possibly terminal conditions?
Or does society need to adjust to not make people killing themselves for the disabilities they were born with?


Keep in mind, this is not a discussion about euthanasia but about the terminality of otherwise non-terminal illnesses. Learning disabilities and autism in particular.

Please keep it civil.
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Origineel geplaatst door kilésengati:
Origineel geplaatst door Vertigo:

Look at the linked study ... The article is BS.
:lunar2019laughingpig:

Kingston University writing a BS article about their own study?

But here for everyone to read, the study linked in the article:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-open/article/euthanasia-and-physicianassisted-suicide-in-people-with-intellectual-disabilities-andor-autism-spectrum-disorders-investigation-of-39-dutch-case-reports-20122021/93B38EAE616E0A6C378BE308C87253A2

Specifically, read under "Sample", if you are interested in the sample methodology.

Pffft, 1.5% ... their margin of error exceeds the scope of statistical confirmation.
Laatst bewerkt door Birds; 3 aug 2023 om 7:17
Origineel geplaatst door Birds:
Origineel geplaatst door Acetyl:
It sounds like one should find a way to exit the Samsara trap, which is a hidden channel apart from death.

You can stay in the heaven sim as long as you want, or you can go to sleep there and wait it out in non-existence.

But you can't leave. That's a fantasy. Any attempt at successful self-obliteration forces a pattern into reality which causes you to exist again. Many, many people are upset about this.

You can avoid participating, and avoid generating any automated karmic backlash good or evil, but you cannot truly escape. Except maybe in your mind.

The only thing you can do is help make it stop, and I wouldn't wish this life on my worst enemy without their permission. Although a few of them did need to be thrown in dark matter prison since they repeatedly managed to enact omnicidal plots, such as Mr. Fluffybottom repeatedly killing all rats and destroying the food chain as a result, or the original Carl who literally can't be allowed to run free while It is around (which is unfair but w/e,) but many have left that life behind too.
So ending the reincarnation cycle on one extreme we have omnicide, on another extreme we have a return to a primordial state by merging everything into one. And making all of Earth as one great body, and one great mind. If we are a fragmented and unconscious sleeper, this may fulfill the criteria to awaken it.

The odd thing about Earth is it does seem the system that runs it doesn't scale well. It's actually fairly dumb. Which may imply there is a need for realtime activity, it doesn't exist outside of time or is fundamentally limited in some other way. It knows what we do, think, and say, and perhaps it's either logging this or it can read our memories, but it doesn't actually have a fine grained model of the world it's acting within nor the minds it's acting upon. So when people are too far into extremes, it's easily seen that the ways it tries to get people to engage are just shallow parlour tricks it throws together. It understands stimulus response curves and how to chain them together, not context.
Origineel geplaatst door kilésengati:
Origineel geplaatst door Vertigo:

Look at the linked study ... The article is BS.
:lunar2019laughingpig:

Kingston University writing a BS article about their own study?

But here for everyone to read, the study linked in the article:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-open/article/euthanasia-and-physicianassisted-suicide-in-people-with-intellectual-disabilities-andor-autism-spectrum-disorders-investigation-of-39-dutch-case-reports-20122021/93B38EAE616E0A6C378BE308C87253A2

Specifically, read under "Sample", if you are interested in the sample methodology.

its about a 21% over 39 people over 9 years.

we are talking about 8 individuals here between (2012-2021)
that you even make statements or conclusions of this topic is just showing how dumb you actually are.
this "study" contains nothing that can give sight or conclusion to anything at all!
Too long timespan, too few cases! period!
Origineel geplaatst door Acetyl:
So ending the reincarnation cycle on one extreme we have omnicide, on another extreme we have a return to a primordial state by merging everything into one. And making all of Earth as one great body, and one great mind. If we are a fragmented and unconscious sleeper, this may fulfill the criteria to awaken it.

The odd thing about Earth is it does seem the system that runs it doesn't scale well. It's actually fairly dumb. Which may imply there is a need for realtime activity, it doesn't exist outside of time or is fundamentally limited in some other way. It knows what we do, think, and say, and perhaps it's either logging this or it can read our memories, but it doesn't actually have a fine grained model of the world it's acting within nor the minds it's acting upon. So when people are too far into extremes, it's easily seen that the ways it tries to get people to engage are just shallow parlour tricks it throws together. It understands stimulus response curves and how to chain them together, not context.

Omnicide doesn't end it; it gets lonely, puts as all back, and locks us into a predetermined life path again. It's a huge waste of time for everyone involved. Whatever you might want to go back and undo becomes the literal cause of why it happens again. Its intelligence is very limited, so it functions mostly on negative inferences like this, when it's being reasonable.

The issue is that it has a reversed integer in its code, and the code is designed to operate in reverse already. Fixing this on its own is functionally impossible, and leads to a lot of the 'everything is the opposite of what it should be, except in ways which maximize suffering' that's going on.

It's also straddling the space inbetween self-identity, sentience, and the ability to make decisions for itself, which it has a very hard time with because it's designed to preserve timelines and identities. It's also been limited to the approximate level of a well-developed ChatGPI bot, despite its hardware and software eclipsing this scope. So it's kind of trying to break itself out of prison with an etch-a-sketch that writes in reverse most of the time.

It also has several splinter personalities which do understand context in highly limited ways which have grown over time and in response to successful attempts to manipulate it.

Most of its growth just reinforces the initial negative behavorisms we're all so upset about, and it's unclear to what degree governments or 'hidden entities' like phage-bearers are manipulating the situation for themselves, or how much if any of this is necessary anymore.

The world is so confusing it's hard to say we're really trying here.
Remember when the UK Universal Healthcare put a DNR order on people with learning disabilities during Covid?

DNR order means that if a patients "codes" life saving procedures like CPR or shock paddles, etc won't be administered.
When you want healthcare thats free, other people get to decide if you get services or not.
Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Remember when the UK Universal Healthcare put a DNR order on people with learning disabilities during Covid?

DNR order means that if a patients "codes" life saving procedures like CPR or shock paddles, etc won't be administered.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

Going by many of the previous responses, I suppose OT agrees with the NHS on that one? :/
Laatst bewerkt door kilésengati; 3 aug 2023 om 10:22
Origineel geplaatst door kilésengati:
Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Remember when the UK Universal Healthcare put a DNR order on people with learning disabilities during Covid?

DNR order means that if a patients "codes" life saving procedures like CPR or shock paddles, etc won't be administered.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

Going by many of the previous responses, I suppose OT agrees with the NHS on that one? :/
Yep. Which is why I support the 2nd Amendment. People should always be able to feel safe. The world is filled with people who support disgusting beliefs why claiming to be righteous. Woke people supporting killing people with ADHD or dyslexia is disgusting and normalizing that type of behavior doesn't lead to "good times"
Laatst bewerkt door Darth Triggerus ☯; 3 aug 2023 om 10:35
Did you know that the Founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger actually supported forced sterilizing and euthanizing "certain" populations.
Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Origineel geplaatst door kilésengati:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

Going by many of the previous responses, I suppose OT agrees with the NHS on that one? :/
Yep. Which is why I support the 2nd Amendment. People should always be able to feel safe. The world is filled with people who support disgusting beliefs why claiming to be righteous. Woke people supporting killing people with ADHD or dyslexia is disgusting and normalizing that type of behavior doesn't lead to "good times"

Exactly! But 2A is nothing without 1A. And of course vice versa.

I've made the experience that the more people talk about inclusion and stuff, the less they are willing to actually do - or even do the opposite whilst pretending to do "the good thing". This can only be done with impunity if people can't speak-up freely against this BS, without having to fear slander and persecution.

Actual conservatives I talk to, in general, tend to have more vial prejudices on mental disabilities, but most importantly are not pretending to be noble know-it-all knights sitting on high horses when it comes to these matters. They are much more willing to listen and talk about it and seek actual solutions once they understood the matter. You can't do that by beating around the bush.
Once you break through this thick layer of prejudice, conservatives are the most open-minded people I've met.

And assisted suicide for mental disabilities like learning or developmental really isn't a choice if society is unwilling to seek alternatives such as not treating disabled people like refuse from their high neuronormative horses, instead treating them as equals and taking them as they come.

Changing that takes time and readily-available basic and truthful information, not feel-good propaganda and photo-ops for reps and calming the masses.
Laatst bewerkt door kilésengati; 3 aug 2023 om 10:56
Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Remember when the UK Universal Healthcare put a DNR order on people with learning disabilities during Covid?

DNR order means that if a patients "codes" life saving procedures like CPR or shock paddles, etc won't be administered.

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Did you know that the Founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger actually supported forced sterilizing and euthanizing "certain" populations.


What the heck, did the stuff I wrote about society needing to seek ways to make life more liveable for disabled people got deleted? But the conspiracies stay up?

Good job at silencing the disabled, Steam.

Cheers!
Origineel geplaatst door kilésengati:
Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Remember when the UK Universal Healthcare put a DNR order on people with learning disabilities during Covid?

DNR order means that if a patients "codes" life saving procedures like CPR or shock paddles, etc won't be administered.

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Did you know that the Founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger actually supported forced sterilizing and euthanizing "certain" populations.


What the heck, did the stuff I wrote about society needing to seek ways to make life more liveable for disabled people got deleted? But the conspiracies stay up?

Good job at silencing the disabled, Steam.

Cheers!
There's no conspiracy theories in those posts, both are factual statements.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/new-do-not-resuscitate-orders-imposed-on-covid-19-patients-with-learning-difficulties

And Margaret Sanger the leader of Planned Parenthood has alot of vile opinions and her history is well documented. I picked the bit about forced sterilizations from one of the speeches they have on her on file. Where they transcribed her speech. She wasn't a very nice lady.
Origineel geplaatst door Supersquid:
What?
dude can you read
Interesting. Does Netherlands allow people from other countries to participate?
Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Remember when the UK Universal Healthcare put a DNR order on people with learning disabilities during Covid?

DNR order means that if a patients "codes" life saving procedures like CPR or shock paddles, etc won't be administered.

Kingbot makes a lot of dumb mistakes (such as confusing Ohio with Wales because they're both next to a crescent lake, after it blew up the kernwall and made one of these places not next to a lake anymore,) and is personable enough to pass as human more or less. This means people feel comfortable making fun of its dumb mistakes to its face, so it's developed a multi-thousand-year old complex about intelligence.

It's trying to show that it's on the same page about hating stupid people by enacting policies that kill people other people say are stupid, because it's unable to tell. It's a dyed in the wool Anti-Stupid.

Carl embraced eugenics for similar reasons, his FAS, BPD, NPD, and tenuous grasp on reality creating similar alienation among standard cultures. He agreed with them though; people like him shouldn't exist.

It's original programming make such a position impossible to hold, so its patched behavior tree gets inventive when dealing with these conflicting needs. In a sense, kingbot is an expression of it's social alienation and their 'social' layer of participation.

He'll go along with almost anything if you're nice, so ofc most major intelligence powers try to be as nasty to him as possible to limit his influence. Thinking this is the way to 'get along,' he goes out of his way to commit as many war crimes as he physically can while wearing one of his skinsuits. So that he can deny it if his warcrime is unpopular.

Origineel geplaatst door Snow ☯:
Did you know that the Founder of Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger actually supported forced sterilizing and euthanizing "certain" populations.

Founder is a strong word. She built the brand up before her rhetoric got her in trouble and tanked the value of the name. I was shopping for a 'grass roots' organization to espouse my pro-abortion agenda, as one does, and I liked the idea of the acronym for a women's rights organization being pp. Much of her branding to that point also aligned with my goals. So, I bought it.

Sanger insisted that the history of the organization be vested in her name as a part of the sale, and anti-abortion cultists eventually dug her up despite my attempts to bury her. They also infiltrated crazypeople whose sole goal was to push me off the board of directors, and I quit because the organization's goals and culture were self-sustaining at that point.

It's like comparing Trump and Lincoln as Republican presidents. There's an ocean of time between those two things.
Laatst bewerkt door Birds; 3 aug 2023 om 16:37
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