Study: Learning Disabilities and Autism leading to Euthanasia.

[kilésengati]

Sorry folks, this is heavy. If you don't like to get sad, don't read any further!


A study about euthanasia and assisted suicide in the Netherlands has found that more than 4% of the requests in the sample group were due to learning disabilities or autism.

https://www.kingston.ac.uk/news/article/2843/05-jul-2023-factors-associated-with-learning-disabilities-and-autism-led-to-requests-for-euthanasia-and-assisted-suicide/

About 60k assisted suicides and euthanasias were conducted in the Netherlands over the course of the ten-year data sets where the 900 case report sample used for the study were drawn from. A whopping 39 requests for euthanasia or assisted suicides were made in connection with learning disabilities and/or autism. Most of which included loneliness as the main reason for the suffering and deemed as untreatable due to the nature of the conditions in question.

It's important to note that "just go out and meet people" isn't going to work for many people with such disabilities.


Obviously, this only includes documented assisted suicides. I suppose there are a fair bunch of people, even in countries like the Netherlands, that don't seek this procedure instead.

I suppose in Canada, leading doctors recommend this procedure? But morbid jokes aside.


Are learning disabilities and autism really untreatable and possibly terminal conditions?
Or does society need to adjust to not make people killing themselves for the disabilities they were born with?


Keep in mind, this is not a discussion about euthanasia but about the terminality of otherwise non-terminal illnesses. Learning disabilities and autism in particular.

Please keep it civil.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Messaggio originale di Acetyl:

Messaggio originale di talemore:

Poison-pill to the masses and cures to the chosen.

The masses are cattle, so it's not immoral. They were born of Cain, who was born of the union of Eve and another Elohim. Therefore, not Adamites. Therefore, not made in the image of God. Therefore, only possessing the animal soul. Beasts in human form created by YHWH to serve the chosen without causing too much displeasure by way of an unsightly appearance. And the chosen "will sit back like an effendi and eat. That is why [they] were created".

Must be terrifying inside your head with all those conspiracy theories.

[kilésengati]

Messaggio originale di Sashie:

Think of it this way. Do you want 4% that don't want to exist, to exist? And many of them result in your taxes being higher, your medical fees being much larger, etc.

They don't want to be here. Why are you forcing them to be here? Your quality of life goes down via higher taxes/fees.

Its a different story if they want to be here, but they don't.

In these cases, this is not about taking away the option for suicide, but alleviating the reasons for suicide. I simply think society takes the easy way out here, instead of coming up with solutions to the problems that cause the need for assisted psychiatric suicide. Like creating an environment and society that's worth living in for these people, too.

Honestly, I find the "it's just 4%" argument to be absolutely despicable and against human dignity.

[Acetyl]

Messaggio originale di Birds:

Messaggio originale di Acetyl:

That could be a selling point.

There's typically close to a 10 or 20 year buffer, depending on how much people are dying. Lotta dead people, lotta suicides. Always are. And the brithrate tends to be very low in countries with more opportunities, so...

Most people regret it after about 5, as they typically become out of sync with their friends and family's lifecycles. Or the ones of people they care about. Having to watch them grow up, live, and die without you, potentially multiple times, can be an exceedingly painful experience for many people. One it's hard to imagine beforehand.

So I do personally fantasize about being dead full-time, but I know it's not really worth it.

Many older people disagree though; 20 years is a perfectly fine break for someone who clearly remembers several millennia of living. And technically succumbing to a deadly disease isn't suicide, though purposefully infecting oneself with one does kind of toe the line.

It sounds like one should find a way to exit the Samsara trap, which is a hidden channel apart from death.

[Acetyl]

Messaggio originale di Rumpelcrutchskin:

Must be terrifying inside your head with all those conspiracy theories.

Are you asking if I'm afraid?

[Vertigo]

And to further comment on the study, the data they used, were from the submitted notifications, NOT people who where necessary euthanised, and from the 60000 submitted, they looked at 39! they chosed after a keyword search for mental disabilities.

Not REALLY that representative...

But hey I challenge everyone to look it up themself.

[kilésengati]

Messaggio originale di Munithe EXT:

Messaggio originale di kilésengati:

In these cases, this is not about taking away the option for suicide, but alleviating the reasons for suicide. I simply think this the easy way out for society, instead of coming up with solutions to the problems that cause the need for assisted psychiatric suicide. Like creating an environment and society that's worth living in for these people, too.

Assuming the given reasons are even true. Think of all the people who would be denied euthasia who could get it by claiming to be autistic, an easily faked condition.

Sure, people start faking learning and developmental disabilities from early childhood.
What's next? Autism caused by vaccines?!

[Rio]

They shouldn't have to fake anything to get what is a right. The right to live, the right to die.

Instead they have to go to canada.

[Acetyl]

Messaggio originale di kilésengati:

Messaggio originale di Munithe EXT:

Assuming the given reasons are even true. Think of all the people who would be denied euthasia who could get it by claiming to be autistic, an easily faked condition.

Sure, people start faking learning and developmental disabilities from early childhood.
What's next? Autism caused by vaccines?!

Yes, vaccines are one of the causative factors of autism. Your culture is controlled by those that profit off the existing order, so they told you from early childhood that vaccines are good. It really is that simple.

[talemore]

Messaggio originale di Acetyl:

Messaggio originale di talemore:

Poison-pill to the masses and cures to the chosen.

The masses are cattle, so it's not immoral. They were born of Cain, who was born of the union of Eve and another Elohim. Therefore, not Adamites. Therefore, not made in the image of God. Therefore, only possessing the animal soul. Beasts in human form created by YHWH to serve the chosen without causing too much displeasure by way of an unsightly appearance. And the chosen "will sit back like an effendi and eat. That is why [they] were created".

They hush it down how they killed people in south africa where the cure was more deadly than the disease and the population used as a test laboratory

[kilésengati]

Messaggio originale di Vertigo:

And to further comment on the study, the data they used, were from the submitted notifications, NOT people who where necessary euthanised, and from the 60000 submitted, they looked at 39! they chosed after a keyword search for mental disabilities.

Not REALLY that representative...

But hey I challenge everyone to look it up themself.

What you are saying is not in the article, read again:

"There were almost 60,000 cases of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide between 2012 and 2021 in the Netherlands. More than 900 case reports were recorded on an online, searchable database. […] They found 39 cases that involved people with either learning disabilities or autism spectrum disorder, or in some cases, both."

Without mandating online searchable databases for this (which would be a privacy nightmare), it's as good as it gets.

[Birds]

Messaggio originale di Acetyl:

It sounds like one should find a way to exit the Samsara trap, which is a hidden channel apart from death.

You can stay in the heaven sim as long as you want, or you can go to sleep there and wait it out in non-existence.

But you can't leave. That's a fantasy. Any attempt at successful self-obliteration forces a pattern into reality which causes you to exist again. Many, many people are upset about this.

You can avoid participating, and avoid generating any automated karmic backlash good or evil, but you cannot truly escape. Except maybe in your mind.

The only thing you can do is help make it stop, and I wouldn't wish this life on my worst enemy without their permission. Although a few of them did need to be thrown in dark matter prison since they repeatedly managed to enact omnicidal plots, such as Mr. Fluffybottom repeatedly killing all rats and destroying the food chain as a result, or the original Carl who literally can't be allowed to run free while It is around (which is unfair but w/e,) but many have left that life behind too.

[Vertigo]

Lol, the makers of the study looked in the 60k dataset, of people wanting to get euthanised, Not people ACTUALLY euthanised, for the keywords of mental disability, found and looked at ONLY 39 cases...

This is the poster child for not understanding scientific studies, and making stuff up.

I challenge everyone to ACTUALLY look at the study.

[Acetyl]

Messaggio originale di Weimu:

Messaggio originale di Acetyl:

Yes, vaccines are one of the causative factors of autism. Your culture is controlled by those that profit off the existing order, so they told you from early childhood that vaccines are good. It really is that simple.

thanks for confirming you're peddling utter BS

And what's with this creepy passive aggressive "thanks for confirming" lead in? Like you can't just make a statement without padding it with these subtle self soothing / call out to the group for support signals.

Knock it off. Stand on your own.

[Vertigo]

Messaggio originale di kilésengati:

Messaggio originale di Vertigo:

And to further comment on the study, the data they used, were from the submitted notifications, NOT people who where necessary euthanised, and from the 60000 submitted, they looked at 39! they chosed after a keyword search for mental disabilities.

Not REALLY that representative...

But hey I challenge everyone to look it up themself.

What you are saying is not in the article, read again:

"There were almost 60,000 cases of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide between 2012 and 2021 in the Netherlands. More than 900 case reports were recorded on an online, searchable database. […] They found 39 cases that involved people with either learning disabilities or autism spectrum disorder, or in some cases, both."

Without mandating online searchable databases for this (which would be a privacy nightmare), it's as good as it gets.

Look at the linked study ... The article is BS.

[kilésengati]

Messaggio originale di Vertigo:

Messaggio originale di kilésengati:

What you are saying is not in the article, read again:

"There were almost 60,000 cases of euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide between 2012 and 2021 in the Netherlands. More than 900 case reports were recorded on an online, searchable database. […] They found 39 cases that involved people with either learning disabilities or autism spectrum disorder, or in some cases, both."

Without mandating online searchable databases for this (which would be a privacy nightmare), it's as good as it gets.

Look at the linked study ... The article is BS.

Kingston University writing a BS article about their own study?

But here for everyone to read, the source linked in the article:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-open/article/euthanasia-and-physicianassisted-suicide-in-people-with-intellectual-disabilities-andor-autism-spectrum-disorders-investigation-of-39-dutch-case-reports-20122021/93B38EAE616E0A6C378BE308C87253A2

Specifically, read under "Sample", if you are interested in the sampling methodology.

More detailed, but not deviating from the article.