Why are some people hateful towards trans ppl?

[Nogsec]

By that i mean the individual who are just minding their own business and happen to be trans ...

What makes a person go out of their way to do that to someone who is a stranger just because of one thing about them ? 🤔

[Nogsec]

引用自 Dutchgamer1982：

oh btw one thing I do think should be put into law :

a trans person should be obligated by law to dispose his "true" gender before entering into any fysical contact with another person.
lets call that an extra layer of consent.
(in the same line of thinking that if you are aware you have a sexual transmissive disease, you must disclore that before getting intimate with a person)

I personally would feel it as being raped, if a man who is posing as a woman, would kiss me.

The wording you are looking for is " must disclose which genitalia they have "
They will do this regardless of whether law enforces it because why wouldnt they ...

[Jej]

引用自 Dutchgamer1982：

oh btw one thing I do think should be put into law :

a trans person should be obligated by law to dispose his "true" gender before entering into any fysical contact with another person.
lets call that an extra layer of consent.
(in the same line of thinking that if you are aware you have a sexual transmissive disease, you must disclore that before getting intimate with a person)

I personally would feel it as being raped, if a man who is posing as a woman, would kiss me.

I get where you're coming from and while omitting such an important bit of information while trying to find someone would be a ♥♥♥♥-y thing to do I wouldn't say it needs to be enforced my law. Just having a healthy conversation about it would work best.

[Ulfrinn]

I see a lot of people say it's how they tend to behave and conduct themselves and demand acceptance and agreement. That's not even specific to that particular group as I've seen many other groups that act this way, and usually they're of some kind of ideology that deviates from the norm, or what they believe is the norm often as a means of overcompensating in the face of that fact in order to reaffirm their own decisions.

I think there's a certain personality type that draws people towards contrarian beliefs, and that personality type tends to view themselves as more intelligent, more enlightened for having made a different choice. And many see that belief as a mandate to convert others. I've seen vegans do this. I've seen atheists do this. and I've seen Sega fans do this. As an atheist, I find extremely religious people more tolerable to be around, than I do most atheists BECAUSE they act in a "I demand you agree with me" mindset.

[Krypto]

引用自 Plaid：

引用自 Krypto：

Most people don't really care who is trans, but the media wants you to believe trans people are hated across the board simply for being trans.

it's a great way to pretend they are doing something for people in any fashion

Get a bunch of people to act outraged and the easily manipulated will follow suit soon after.

[Cuchillo_Baishan]

引用自 Jazzy：

引用自 Dutchgamer1982：

oh btw one thing I do think should be put into law :

a trans person should be obligated by law to dispose his "true" gender before entering into any fysical contact with another person.
lets call that an extra layer of consent.
(in the same line of thinking that if you are aware you have a sexual transmissive disease, you must disclore that before getting intimate with a person)

I personally would feel it as being raped, if a man who is posing as a woman, would kiss me.

The wording you are looking for is " must disclose which genitalia they have "
They will do this regardless of whether law enforces it because why wouldnt they ...

Genitalia disclosure may not suffice as we know that can be artificial too, since penis implants are a thing.

[Dutchgamer1982]

引用自 Jej：

引用自 Dutchgamer1982：

oh btw one thing I do think should be put into law :

a trans person should be obligated by law to dispose his "true" gender before entering into any fysical contact with another person.
lets call that an extra layer of consent.
(in the same line of thinking that if you are aware you have a sexual transmissive disease, you must disclore that before getting intimate with a person)

I personally would feel it as being raped, if a man who is posing as a woman, would kiss me.

I get where you're coming from and while omitting such an important bit of information while trying to find someone would be a ♥♥♥♥-y thing to do I wouldn't say it needs to be enforced my law.

I believe it should.

there are people like me who believe those with an Y chromosome always are and will be male.
(reducing the ideo of transgender to an identity crisis that needs psychological help accepting your body)
-and to who same sex relationships are strictly against my religion.

while transgenders can really believe they ARE the other gender.. especially if they have recieved a sex change operation.
**
they would not see the NEED to disclose... as they believe they now are what they always were.
->
and part of them would even actively seek out people with objectives either to troll, or as a form of activism.

in a day where passports are changed to meet the new gender, even birth certificates are..even seeing those documents is no save proof anymore...
**a story already happened of a man who was many years married trying to get children, eventually going to an ivf doctor.. who took some tests.. and than disclosed that that "wife" was no woman at all.
-> and this rapist even took halve the stuff of that person out of the logical divorce.
there should be jailtime for crap like that... like I say.. I see it as rape to not disclose.
law should make it that too.

[WhispersOfTheWind]

Well you said it in your query ... in your questioning I think:

It's because it's strange and I think evolutionary we aren't wired to trust everything that is strange.

Like, I would certainly believe if we were brought up between a lot of trans (and other types of people) we would simply find out that they are people like us, whoever we are in this case, or I mean more to say like: them, those that hate others.
(if those that hate met people or were friends with such people that are different then they would understand them more and hate them less is what I am trying to express)

That's usually one of life's lessons I think. Truly. Like. To get to know someone and then to find out that they aren't for one different than us after all and then that they are also just people.

I've had this experience quite a few times in my own life. This experience has in fact made me develop my empathy more to a point where I don't look down on people anymore, see them as equal and more like feel sorry for them sometimes like in the instance of people that hate... By this I hate such people less myself and more have like maybe not understanding towards them but am more empathic with them in the sense that I feel sorry for them if that makes sense. Like I am saddened by the way they are.

Even though empathic though I still have my wild side or my angry side which sometimes but rarely though out itself in a type of aggression but seeing as I've worked hard on this aspect of myself not to become so emotional and angry about certain things, events or people the aggression part of me is much more subdued but again, it is there. I think it would be potentially helpful if I need it in order to save my life for instance from a situation but...

Yeah,

It's all psychology, as they say. It's all psychological.

Problem with the psychological is that it sometimes collides with the physical, usually due to lack of certain aspects like knowledge understanding and in essence empathy like sympathy.

[Dutchgamer1982]

引用自 Cuchillo_Baishan：

引用自 Jazzy：

The wording you are looking for is " must disclose which genitalia they have "
They will do this regardless of whether law enforces it because why wouldnt they ...

Genitalia disclosure may not suffice as we know that can be artificial too, since penis implants are a thing.

what we need is a birth gender / genome.
If you have an Y chromosome yes or no.

person could have recieved sex change operation.. does not give fertitlity though.
person can have altered his gender in his passport, and birth certificate.

meaning it is for an outside person near impossible to trace the actual gender a person has.. except with an dna test.

and they may think of themselves as they were always woman.. and perhaps the goverment things the same facilitating these things...

to a sizable part of society they are not. and they want protection by law too.

[Triple G]

引用自 Dutchgamer1982：

oh btw one thing I do think should be put into law :

a trans person should be obligated by law to dispose his "true" gender before entering into any fysical contact with another person.
lets call that an extra layer of consent.
(in the same line of thinking that if you are aware you have a sexual transmissive disease, you must disclore that before getting intimate with a person)

I personally would feel it as being raped, if a man who is posing as a woman, would kiss me.

I would also be for a law that people only date each other naked. To check out certain features, while not focusing on status.

That would solve the problem. I´m unsure how many people date - and the first thing they do is exchanging the passport to verify certain data and information. Dating naked would be much more natural - and saves to split up after the people first engaged in sexual activities. Perhaps people should have sex with each other - before they talk about themselves and their goals. Perhaps have some tattoos about the health status - or when the last check was. Anything else feels like rape...

[Violent Rainbow]

Some people are just hateful of people they don't understand, others base their opinion of trans people on what they see online and unfortunately many trans people on the internet aren't exactly making it easy for people to accept them. A lot of people live in constant fear of accidentally offending a trans person by misgendering them or something and then having their entire life destroyed for it, that's because we keep seeing it happen online. I know quite a few trans people, most of them are completely normal, but I have seen some of them fly off the rails over being misgendered, one guy I worked with (male to female trans) tried his hardest to get an old Sri Lankan man fired because he kept calling him her but he was one of those trans people who kinda doesn't pull it off and he still really looked, sounded and acted female plus his name was literally still Gemma so... yeah kinda can't blame people for thinking you identify as female.

[Dutchgamer1982]

before the world went weird.,..
(upto 2010 transgender was classified as an psychological disorder.. you were your biological gender, to think otherwise needed therapy, to many including me it still is)

I was freeer to express things.

when as a teen I red the book man from mars, woman from venus and sortalike books.. I found I recornised myself much more in what was presented as the female psyche.. than the male one.
I have been told I aproach woman like normally woman aproach man, and that that is part of why it's harder to get a match.

I played more with girls as a child and was not fond of football/soccer.. the bimbo's most teens liked and had posters off in their bedrooms I found not attractive.. I had other woman I liked.

my theory I made up in my teens is that no person has 100% male or 100% female psyche.. but a combination and the ideal partner has the opposite.. mix.. to compliment to a full set.
But NOTHING bout that puts into doubt the idea of 2 genders.. you ARE your body and you need to adapt your psyche to your body.. not the other way around.
I still am 100% male.. to even think otherwise is insane.
Yes I have trained myself to behave different around woman, a bit more manly to be more attractive, and to better take up the role a christian man must forfill.
there is room in society for tough woman and sensitive man.. and everything in between.. still does NOT mean the world has more than 2 genders.

But don't underestimate peer pressume, I was always strong willed.. and not afraid to be outsider.. but most people are not.
oh the times people asked "aren't you gay" just cause I could enjoy a facemask and scrub.. and not liked being around a bunch of burping drunks...

and who knows how many man with less strong wills than me by peer pressure have been turned gay just cause society only accepts them not behaving like a typical man, when gay.

and now there is transgender... for those who are not sexually attracted to the same sex.. they can still make young teens confused into that ♥♥♥♥.
ironicly a lot of transgenders suddenly are discovered as a young teen or preteen when internised in a psychiatric clinic.. cause some troubles.
*** I can see the apeal...
instead of being a troubled child who always is called damaged/a problem, they suddenly belong to a populair group in society.. society adapts to them instead of them having to adapt
..
peer pressure like that is hard to resist.. and when you than pump those kids as young as 12 full of hormones.. you are bound to end up with some really messed up adults.

also for those who find me intolerant...

-I have heard from multiple people of certain backgrounds that my words are harsh, but that I act towards all people equally.
-while many say whats socially expected but they noticibly act different towards them.
**as a christian I adhere to hate the sin, not the sinner.
I object to their lifestyle choices.. but I want them to be saved as much as the next person.
most people in society cannot make that split..

thet see a murderer.. not a person that has done a murder
they see a baker.. not a person that happens to bake bread
they see a transgender.. not a person that has modified their body
even when it considers themselves people are often unable to make that split..
so when you object a peoples acting.. they often feel personally attacked.

[Azor]

because people believe anyone who says THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN AND ALL GOOD THINGS

[Triple G]

引用自 Dutchgamer1982：

before the world went weird.,..
(upto 2010 transgender was classified as an psychological disorder.. you were your biological gender, to think otherwise needed therapy, to many including me it still is)

But what is classified as psychological disorder always changes. And they still have to answer certain disgracing questions, like when they have siblings, if they something think of having sex with them, or if they think about sex with their parents - or anything like it, which is about finding something wrong in them...

But at some point it was also said that earth is the center of the universe and the sun rotates around it. This doesn´t have to be true, even if it was written somewhere. And i guess all people who were into the idea that it is the other way around where also called mental by others, or people have said that the world was another (better) place with the other way of thinking.

And You personally was probably equally free to express things. Except You want to express more racist or sexist things - or incite people with certain statements. That´s something which people are more aware of nowadays, but on the other hand there were far less people who would have done it in the first place. At least here. In the 50s it was common that people would openly say that they beat up their children if they wear too short skirts. Or in the 60s they would say that certain people may need to be killed or tortured. Or in the 70s they would say that people would be treated otherwise when "he" would be still in charge. These things don´t really work nowadays, but i don´t think You´re that old, and i don´t know why people would need to say that in the first place.

And transgender is not a thing which is new. It´s always been a thing - just not very popular, because people who don´t have anything to do with it, wouldn´t talk about it, or even think about it - which is something which has changed nowadays. Also with the ability to have that actual transition - not only if it´s about clothes and lifestyle, but if it´s about body features and hormones. And all the hate between certain groups of people is probably more a result of certain political parties and views, who use certain arguments to get in power - if it´s not about the development which Christianity took, as many of the problems, which these people see as problem - weren´t such before. Basically anything sexual, which was more free.

[Ulfrinn]

引用自 Azor：

because people believe anyone who says THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN AND ALL GOOD THINGS

You say that... then people see drag queen story hour at their local grade school which tells them something different.

[Triple G]

引用自 Ulfrinn：

You say that... then people see drag queen story hour at their local grade school which tells them something different.

How many where actually in school?

Here it´s usually that way that they have certain events in some library after school - and nobody is forced to go there. Yet they still protest against it. While they is one kind of people of course...

So:
How many story hours where there in the US - in which the children had to attend? Or is it the same thing than here - that it´s just a made up argument, which is nothing worth speaking about in the first place?