Opinions on the 'dont say gay' law in florida

[fender jag]

This is going to get controversial and ill prolly get banned but screw it. they suck at baseball and lsu is arguably better

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

Snow ☯ původně napsal:

The law has nothing to do with saying the word "gay" that's manipulative propaganda from left-wing activists that want to lie to people because they don't have the moral highground in this issue. The law we're speaking of is a parental rights bill that basically stops Democrats from indoctrinating kids with radical gender theory, and ensures parents are protected and informed.

The way the law is worded it could be called the "Don't Say Straight Bill"

Ah.... so they can't say "gay" then? Or "straight"?
It's going to be awkward when someone has to draw a straight line, that's for sure.

Also, the original meaning of "gay" is "happy", that's why you find the word so many times in old literature without meaning "homosexual".
Someone who is very gay actually means someone who is very, very happy.

They can't give classroom instructions centered around the topics of gay/straight. Specifically they wanted to stop the radical gender theory instructing kids about how there's infinite number of genders, some men get periods, and other silly things. They can say the individual word of gay and straight.

In America gay hasn't meant happy for a very long time.

[Zilkenian Davenport]

XIVIX původně napsal:

How about we just rename the law to "don't be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" bill?

Because "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" is universal when referring to a person.

Well, it is universal, but I don't know if ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in general will welcome it. I mean, they too have rights.

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

MinionJoe původně napsal:

talemore původně napsal:

Meanwhile in Korea "You" is banished

And in the UK, saying "lesbian" is an arrestable offense.

I read about that, for those that don't know they just arrested a autistic girl who commented about the cop potentially being a lesbian and the cop arrested her for potential hate crimes. The girl didn't say it mean, she said it in reference to someone she knew.

[Pronoun Paladin ☯]

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

XIVIX původně napsal:

How about we just rename the law to "don't be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" bill?

Because "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" is universal when referring to a person.

Well, it is universal, but I don't know if ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in general will welcome it. I mean, they too have rights.

Sometimes I think they have more rights.

[Zilkenian Davenport]

Snow ☯ původně napsal:

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

Well, it is universal, but I don't know if ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in general will welcome it. I mean, they too have rights.

Sometimes I think they have more rights.

Oh, absolutely, but then they have some interesting karma. I've seen that karma take effect, it's quite funny and scary at the same time.

[talemore]

Snow ☯ původně napsal:

MinionJoe původně napsal:

And in the UK, saying "lesbian" is an arrestable offense.

I read about that, for those that don't know they just arrested a autistic girl who commented about the cop potentially being a lesbian and the cop arrested her for potential hate crimes. The girl didn't say it mean, she said it in reference to someone she knew.

sound like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXXaj--a6-4

[Krypto]

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

XIVIX původně napsal:

How about we just rename the law to "don't be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" bill?

Because "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" is universal when referring to a person.

Well, it is universal, but I don't know if ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in general will welcome it. I mean, they too have rights.

Some people don't deserve the rights they're given when they intentionally abuse them over and over and over again.

[Zilkenian Davenport]

XIVIX původně napsal:

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

Well, it is universal, but I don't know if ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in general will welcome it. I mean, they too have rights.

Some people don't deserve the rights they're given when they intentionally abuse them over and over and over again.

Ah, the snowflakes. Very interesting people, I always keep them away as much as possible.
In any case, they always end up meeting their match, one way or another.

[ambi]

MinionJoe původně napsal:

talemore původně napsal:

Meanwhile in Korea "You" is banished

And in the UK, saying "lesbian" is an arrestable offense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4NPrcEOw4w

this is the future that they're trying to build.

[Krypto]

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

XIVIX původně napsal:

Some people don't deserve the rights they're given when they intentionally abuse them over and over and over again.

Ah, the snowflakes. Very interesting people, I always keep them away as much as possible.
In any case, they always end up meeting their match, one way or another.

It's hilarious seeing them crumble under their own self made implosion. I mean, if you're going to pretend to live in a fantasy, it will eventually break apart. The truth always finds a way of biting you in the ass.

[Zilkenian Davenport]

XIVIX původně napsal:

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

Ah, the snowflakes. Very interesting people, I always keep them away as much as possible.
In any case, they always end up meeting their match, one way or another.

It's hilarious seeing them crumble under their own self made implosion. I mean, if you're going to pretend to live in a fantasy, it will eventually break apart. The truth always finds a way of biting you in the ass.

And oooh boy when that happens. I mean, I still feel bad (empathy and all that), but a part of me will always tell them the iconic "I told you so".

[Krypto]

Zef Davenport původně napsal:

XIVIX původně napsal:

It's hilarious seeing them crumble under their own self made implosion. I mean, if you're going to pretend to live in a fantasy, it will eventually break apart. The truth always finds a way of biting you in the ass.

And oooh boy when that happens. I mean, I still feel bad (empathy and all that), but a part of me will always tell them the iconic "I told you so".

You reap what you sow.

[Talby]

Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

Not Big Surprise původně napsal:

it deems talking about people who aren't straight or aren't cis to be "age-inappropriate"

that being said what you listed would honestly be worthy of having whatever government passed those laws overthrown

yeah my nation has fallen WAY to much for the woke agenda.
And all of it happend last decades.. I see my country go down the drain before my eyes..

-first to legalise gay marriage, despite we already had a "registrated partnership" that basicly gave the same rights as marriage.
-since our laws only allow marriaged by state officials, and some of these officials having moral objections to performing these gay marriages.. next mistake was made
**It was written into law that ALL newly hired marriage officials must be willing to perform gay marriages. -> this directly discriminates those out of this profession who have other believes, and it also denies those who do specifficly WANT an official who shares their believes from getting one.
**the officials who were hired before gay marriage was made legal, would be allowed to refuse to perform gay marriages, but only IF there was another official in the same town/city who was willing to do the marriage.
-> since it is NOT neccecairy to live in any city to get married, gays have misused to law to request to get married in small towns that were basicly all christian.. (as most christians in our nation live in only a certain region where they basicly are 80% or more of the local population.. despite only being only 4% of the national populatio, with few chjristians in the larger city's)
-> this means these christian cities who's local populance does not even WANT to be married by an official that also does gay marriages, is being denied to be married by who they want.. while their city council mostly of christian representatives is forced to hire a person non of those that elected want on that position.
***gays misusing the law in such a way should be against the law.. but the state NEVER acts against gay abusing the law to persecute christians.

Next steps of lunacy :
**Curtailing religious freedoms on all levels
-there excist in our country schools with an ideological background, and those who are general.
Some of those with an ideological background are christian ones.
-> those schools traditionally have strict gender roles and also demand teachers and students on them agree with the same believe.. this means they refused to hire homosexual teachers or homosexual students, and if people would be found out like that they would be expelled.
(ofcourse homophillic ones that would NOT act upon it, were tolerated, for thats the stand.. thats it's a sin to act homosexual one is judged for willfull actions.... having those feelings is a disease nobody chooses for, and that exept by a mirracle of God is incurable)
Woman on those schools are also banned from leadership roles, so while woman are allowed to teach, the director is always a man, and class presidents are also always man. and woman must wear skirts in these schools.
**
these reformed schools are the best performing ones in the nation.. and this reformed background being the least unemployed and higher than average educated, so you would say, a taxbase that deserves some slack AND a culture group that IS the traditional core of our nation.
->
and do note these are a minority of the schools, there are plenty of other types.. and there even are already laws that if there is no school of your type near you the state will provide and pay for your fare to one that does match your believes.
(so the argument that if your a gay in a christian town, you cannot go to school never was an issue)

The state basicly cut all that away..
->
they forced schools to hire without discrimination on gender or sexuality.
(basicly treading on freedom of religion)
-> while schools can still refuse a person for not matching the believes of their school (and it is unlikely a gay person does)... a person that got in faking (or still being) within the believe structure but than coming out.. can no longer be kicked out.
***
they forced schools to allow entry all that applied for them, no more freedom of schoolboards to select what students they want and not want.
They also removed parents freedom to select a school, you can subscribe for 1.. if it has more applicants than they can handle, one is selected for your child.

Political parties also must allow woman on their electable positions

and ofcourse quota's were installed with every party and every schools staff must have a given percentage of gay, female, and non western immigrant people.

***this already ruined the quality of these schools..
-as the reformed schools were the best in the country, many non christians applied... leading to more disturbing elemenets in class and many christians not even making it IN those scholls
-and by these forced hiring practices they were forced to hire subpar teachers

**the political party luckely still is mostly intact. as it apear the woman who support that party do not WANT to be on electable spots (go figure) so while on paper that party now is open to gay and woman, non has stepped forward as none is willing.

-do note out nation does NOT allow home schooling.. so basicly this is state brainwashing.. while christians prefer to just be apart from larger society doing their own thing.

and it did not stop here..

until 2010 transgender was a classified mental disorder.. in that year it was scrapped as mental disorder and sex change operations included in the state healthcare program.

**praying for gay people to be cured was made a criminal offence
**politicians, teachers and anybody working for the state must repeat the woke mantra they want you to say or be fired.. so for anybody working in those professions to openly speak out against these things, will cost them their jobs.

**the school curriculums were forcefully altered, schools must teach the woke ideology on gay, immigration and transgender.. even those for who it is highly against their and their students believes.

**all city councils must now wave the rainbow flag at all times
**all cities will have a gay memorial, to memorite these people and wrongdoing done to them in the past
**all cities/police corpses, etc must participate in gay parades

-> where the gay parade used to be a small local event.. it is now broadly promoted, and televised by state television...

Non state agencies, participating in "pride week" like football teams, the post agency, can demand their employees to wear or drive around in visually supportive clothing/items for that pride week... and if such an employee refuses to serve as an advertisement board for an ideology they not support.. they can be fired on the spot.

-to even call transgender a "psychiatric disease" despite that upon 12y ago being the official stance can lead even civillians a lawsuit for harasment and slander..

-to say that you find those billboard advertisements of mostly naked man kissing.. in your steets deplorable and you want them gone.. can again lead you do be suid and fined.. and in most cases fired.

***if you run your own buisnuis and you refuse service to a gay couple (say you are a baker or florist and they ask if you are willing to provide the cake or flowers for their wedding) and you say no.. you bet you thats a lawsuit and tens of thousands of euro's to be paid to that gay couple.. (an abuse of law on a large scale.. for despite there being plenty of other florists, bakerts etc in town.. you guess were they all want to order their cake.. they even openly admit they do it "to have christians pay for their wedding" should the law allow to be abused for christian persecution.. no.. but it does..

the nation was better before all this madness..
gay had their darkrooms, and cafe's, and registrated partnership.
and transgenders had therapy.
and christians had their ability to isolate themself away from all that,
and the state still was neutral in this point and not clearly pro woke.
and for most of us.. all that was not visable to our experience.

wow - from bad to worse, greatly appreciate your insight - the US is well on the same path...

[Dutchgamer1982]

miss shapiro původně napsal:

MinionJoe původně napsal:

And in the UK, saying "lesbian" is an arrestable offense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4NPrcEOw4w

this is the future that they're trying to build.

Insulting an officer on duty has been a party of law for a long while.
-it was in my country always a finable offence.
(so you won't get arrested for it but you will be given a fine)

now as for what qualifies AS an insult.. thats a tricky one..
I called a police officer in amsterdam a Jew once as a teen.
-> Jew is a common insult to people from ansterdam.
He than proceded to write me a fine.. upon which I commented..
-are you antisemetic? The fact you percieve jew as an insult, means you must be thinking of less of those people? Is this just your position, or the official stance of your corpse?
I actually like jews, and I was merely tossing you a compliment.. but if you see it as an insult, than by all means fine me.
**upon which the officer scrapped that fine... -> ofcourse she should not have had to..
I was clearly just a teen who tested the law..
However cases like that to often DID make it to a judge and lead to police offcers getting fired.

Calling a person ♥♥♥♥, gay, ♥♥♥ or lesbian, is a common insult too.. but I guess in todays wokefied world police would not even dare fining you for that either..

I much rather have police aresting you for calling them lesbian.. than police participating in gay parades.. and arresting you for praying for a gay person to be made straight by God.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Talby původně napsal:

Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

yeah my nation has fallen WAY to much for the woke agenda.
And all of it happend last decades.. I see my country go down the drain before my eyes..

-first to legalise gay marriage, despite we already had a "registrated partnership" that basicly gave the same rights as marriage.
-since our laws only allow marriaged by state officials, and some of these officials having moral objections to performing these gay marriages.. next mistake was made
**It was written into law that ALL newly hired marriage officials must be willing to perform gay marriages. -> this directly discriminates those out of this profession who have other believes, and it also denies those who do specifficly WANT an official who shares their believes from getting one.
**the officials who were hired before gay marriage was made legal, would be allowed to refuse to perform gay marriages, but only IF there was another official in the same town/city who was willing to do the marriage.
-> since it is NOT neccecairy to live in any city to get married, gays have misused to law to request to get married in small towns that were basicly all christian.. (as most christians in our nation live in only a certain region where they basicly are 80% or more of the local population.. despite only being only 4% of the national populatio, with few chjristians in the larger city's)
-> this means these christian cities who's local populance does not even WANT to be married by an official that also does gay marriages, is being denied to be married by who they want.. while their city council mostly of christian representatives is forced to hire a person non of those that elected want on that position.
***gays misusing the law in such a way should be against the law.. but the state NEVER acts against gay abusing the law to persecute christians.

Next steps of lunacy :
**Curtailing religious freedoms on all levels
-there excist in our country schools with an ideological background, and those who are general.
Some of those with an ideological background are christian ones.
-> those schools traditionally have strict gender roles and also demand teachers and students on them agree with the same believe.. this means they refused to hire homosexual teachers or homosexual students, and if people would be found out like that they would be expelled.
(ofcourse homophillic ones that would NOT act upon it, were tolerated, for thats the stand.. thats it's a sin to act homosexual one is judged for willfull actions.... having those feelings is a disease nobody chooses for, and that exept by a mirracle of God is incurable)
Woman on those schools are also banned from leadership roles, so while woman are allowed to teach, the director is always a man, and class presidents are also always man. and woman must wear skirts in these schools.
**
these reformed schools are the best performing ones in the nation.. and this reformed background being the least unemployed and higher than average educated, so you would say, a taxbase that deserves some slack AND a culture group that IS the traditional core of our nation.
->
and do note these are a minority of the schools, there are plenty of other types.. and there even are already laws that if there is no school of your type near you the state will provide and pay for your fare to one that does match your believes.
(so the argument that if your a gay in a christian town, you cannot go to school never was an issue)

The state basicly cut all that away..
->
they forced schools to hire without discrimination on gender or sexuality.
(basicly treading on freedom of religion)
-> while schools can still refuse a person for not matching the believes of their school (and it is unlikely a gay person does)... a person that got in faking (or still being) within the believe structure but than coming out.. can no longer be kicked out.
***
they forced schools to allow entry all that applied for them, no more freedom of schoolboards to select what students they want and not want.
They also removed parents freedom to select a school, you can subscribe for 1.. if it has more applicants than they can handle, one is selected for your child.

Political parties also must allow woman on their electable positions

and ofcourse quota's were installed with every party and every schools staff must have a given percentage of gay, female, and non western immigrant people.

***this already ruined the quality of these schools..
-as the reformed schools were the best in the country, many non christians applied... leading to more disturbing elemenets in class and many christians not even making it IN those scholls
-and by these forced hiring practices they were forced to hire subpar teachers

**the political party luckely still is mostly intact. as it apear the woman who support that party do not WANT to be on electable spots (go figure) so while on paper that party now is open to gay and woman, non has stepped forward as none is willing.

-do note out nation does NOT allow home schooling.. so basicly this is state brainwashing.. while christians prefer to just be apart from larger society doing their own thing.

and it did not stop here..

until 2010 transgender was a classified mental disorder.. in that year it was scrapped as mental disorder and sex change operations included in the state healthcare program.

**praying for gay people to be cured was made a criminal offence
**politicians, teachers and anybody working for the state must repeat the woke mantra they want you to say or be fired.. so for anybody working in those professions to openly speak out against these things, will cost them their jobs.

**the school curriculums were forcefully altered, schools must teach the woke ideology on gay, immigration and transgender.. even those for who it is highly against their and their students believes.

**all city councils must now wave the rainbow flag at all times
**all cities will have a gay memorial, to memorite these people and wrongdoing done to them in the past
**all cities/police corpses, etc must participate in gay parades

-> where the gay parade used to be a small local event.. it is now broadly promoted, and televised by state television...

Non state agencies, participating in "pride week" like football teams, the post agency, can demand their employees to wear or drive around in visually supportive clothing/items for that pride week... and if such an employee refuses to serve as an advertisement board for an ideology they not support.. they can be fired on the spot.

-to even call transgender a "psychiatric disease" despite that upon 12y ago being the official stance can lead even civillians a lawsuit for harasment and slander..

-to say that you find those billboard advertisements of mostly naked man kissing.. in your steets deplorable and you want them gone.. can again lead you do be suid and fined.. and in most cases fired.

***if you run your own buisnuis and you refuse service to a gay couple (say you are a baker or florist and they ask if you are willing to provide the cake or flowers for their wedding) and you say no.. you bet you thats a lawsuit and tens of thousands of euro's to be paid to that gay couple.. (an abuse of law on a large scale.. for despite there being plenty of other florists, bakerts etc in town.. you guess were they all want to order their cake.. they even openly admit they do it "to have christians pay for their wedding" should the law allow to be abused for christian persecution.. no.. but it does..

the nation was better before all this madness..
gay had their darkrooms, and cafe's, and registrated partnership.
and transgenders had therapy.
and christians had their ability to isolate themself away from all that,
and the state still was neutral in this point and not clearly pro woke.
and for most of us.. all that was not visable to our experience.

wow - from bad to worse, greatly appreciate your insight - the US is well on the same path...

sadly it is...
and do note.. no christian here wants to return to pre 1890 laws.. when gay people would be hunted down, and jailed for expressing their sexuality in the confines of their own house.
thats as apaling to us as it was to them.. we just want "the freedom to have our own lifestyle and opinions" and common dignicy in public...
I not want to be told whats right and wrong by a state..
I not want to be fined or fired or otherwise persecuted for not agreeing with what the state things I should think.
I not want my children to be forced to be brainwashed into what the state wants them to believe, rather than what I as parent want to teach them
I not want to be confronted with naked kissing man or other vulgarity everywhere.. and have public decency restored.. keep that stuff indoors as it always used to be.

and in the 1960s plenty of laws were already changes.. so it was not exactly like people had to hide being gay in 1980s, 1990s.. in fact in my highschool we had a few people who were known as gay... still gay was used as insult amongst hetero.. and if anything.. "you like that person x who is known gay" would be how teens bullied eachother.. so it would not be aimed at the person being gay.. those were mostly ignored.. you knew them being gay.. but they would not kiss or hold hands in public.. they kept it to themselves.
and transgenders.. nobody even heard of them.. nor of the term woke.
rainbows were just a thing in the sky and just a nice coloursceme.. free of any meaning other than the biblical one.
Yes there were bars. where people held dragqueen contests inside.. and darkrooms where things happened.. but you never saw anything bout it.. cept perhaps when a person clad in leather would walk into one...

like I said we had a pretty free society for ALL involved.. but one side.. is just not satisfied with cooexcisting.. it want to see the traditional part of our culture destroyed.